Do you understand that the scriptures are God-breathed? Men did not author the scriptures.
Flat Earth Theory
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David in NJ
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ScottA
Wouldn't men's logic that we need "renewing" from be the satanic brain washing of so called science that questions the
existence of a Creator and demands that the Creation took billions of years forming from gobbly-gook!!!
And huge oceans curving and sticking to a ball spinning at 1,000 mph!!!
There are other flight trackers, that one was used just as an example
An internet search reveals many others, eg https://planefinder.net/
ScottA
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Okay, I am quoting your whole post. In the post before, you asked a question. I answered it, and went on to address the actual issue, that if you were straight on would clear up all the other issues you mentioned. So...there is a need to focus on one issue at a time--yes. I have often responded to such posts, saying, "One thing at a time."
But I am going to get to the heart of the matter of your whole post. Start there, and everything else will be answered as well, like dominoes.
The issue of falling sideways or whatever, is a gravity issue. The only explanation that works for the gravity we experience on earth, is that of a global earth in a solar system of multiple compounded centrifugal forces (that of all planets, etc.), which causes "mass" to form in a global shape, as well as causes gravity to occur: by the earth's centrifugal force operating in conjunction with that of the greater centrifugal forces of the solar system and universe, all in a vacuum state.
It is the greater forces of the universe that cause our earth's gravity, not our own centrifugal force rotation. Do you understand how an eddy in a river works, where water flows in multiple directions and where the opposing currents meet they form a whirlpool? That is the force that creates our gravity, but unlike a river in the universe it is three dimensional. It pushes against us, and we spin under the force which forms a globe, like rolling a lump of clay between the palms of your hands. If you are tracking with that, great! If not, do some study on it.
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ScottA
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But I thought the discussion was about the flat earth theory Are you spinning that ball at 1 turn every 24 hours ?
Using a clock as a flat earth example, which cities do you believe are closet to the 3,6,9,12 positions ?
ScottA
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Do you understand that men are prone to misinterpret the scriptures and therefore they must be spiritually discerned?
(Should I have made my answer bold like your non-question question?)
The point is...many are also prone to trying to understand the universe by the interpretations of men prone to thinking as men, as well. That's the real problem with the flat earth theory--which is what happens when worldly-thinking men try to interpret scripture to support worldly-thinking science: You end up with explanations that don't actually hold water on any level, yet would appear to be supported by scripture when they are not.
David in NJ
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Even at one turn every 24 hours the water drips off.
However, we can actually come close to a model of the globe using a larger ball, say a baskettball and cut our the areas where the oceans would be and make a holding area for the water.
We could put tiny fresh water scud in the water which would aproximate a whale.
Also tiny boats on the water and we could place tiny two legged men along with cars and trucks.
Then we could connect a hose to create a vacuum acting like gravity and again do the 'SPIN' cycle.
BETTER then that is for you to borrow a medium size dump truck and fill the dump with sand.
Next hire a Big Crane to lift the Dump Truck
Next take out a Life Insurance Policy on yourself = IMPORTANT for this experiment
Next have the Crane lift the Truck up in the air approximately eight feet and you stand directly underneath the truck.
If you do not get squashed like a bug you just proved gravity does not exist and never did.
If the cable holding the truck breaks, well you have a Insurance Policy for your loved ones AND you get to SEE the LORD
ScottA
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No on the billions? And the huge oceans sticking to a ball, is not even science.
The satanic sciences, yes, would have us all believe God is wrong and they are right. But God will not be mocked--someone already said that--because unbeknownst to most, time with God is actually an illusion. And they poo pooed that from Einstein too. On the contrary, the age of the world is a faith test from God: What evidence, and who's word do people believe? I tell you--in this world it's all of the above, each theory complete with would-be evidence. Because that is not the issue (neither is flat or global earth). The issue is faith and who one believes. And when one answers, the test is over--put your pencils on your desk, He'll be around to pick up and grade each one.
As for the oceans sticking to a ball...please see post 384.
David in NJ
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Thank You ScottA
Please see verifiable science experiment for gravity in post 388
ScottA, thank you again for your love in Christ
David in NJ
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and the cities/towns that on flat earth would be closest to the 3,6,9,12 positions on a clock are ?
Just the names David, science lessons not needed :)
ScottA
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Well, now I don't know if you are for or against flat earth or global earth. I think you put snow in your dump truck!
Grailhunter
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I go to a lot of different churches and most know that I am a walking speech and they will call me in to teach substitute teach Sunday school. And when topics like the this come up the kids will surprise you. So matter of fact. If I get into archeological finds that agree with the Bible they are on their smart phones looking up the pictures. It really gets them more interested.
And the kids will sometimes pick the topics.....And they understand that the scriptures are about God and religious beliefs of salvation and morals, not the best source for cosmology or medicine. And sometimes they pick the topic and one time we got on the topic of UFO's. And I pointed out that they are exactly that.... something that is flying that is unidentifiable. And I pointed out the flying machine in Ezekeil and chariots of fire. And how they saw things that they described based on their knowledge level. And you can look in the scriptures and study their perceptions of such things based on their perspective.
Sometimes the kids understand reality better than adults. Then you have those adults that profess that science does not know anything. But what they are usually doing is defending the Bible because they really do not believe all that.... Here is one analogy that I use....
.....The Christian Matrix can sustain the belief that according to Christian teachings, science does not know anything, they are all wrong about the world being billions of years old, their wrong about evolution, and there is no such thing as dinosaurs and cavemen and the world is flat. The Christian Matrix can sustain the belief that science is all bunk! Yet the same mind that would teach this rubbish that may watch football on satellite TV and drive to church in a vehicle with 32 computers, when they get to Sunday school science becomes the enemy. But when reality hits him in the face and he has a heart attack, he will not drop to his knees and pray until it goes away, he will use that little witchy device that can call anyone in the world, and he will use it to call the technology wagon, otherwise called the ambulance. When it arrives he is not going to instruct the driver to take him to the nearest church, he will want to go to the nearest place of science, the hospital. Then when he gets to the hospital, he is not looking for a preacher, he is hoping that a man of medical science is there, and he hopes that the man believes in science, because if he is one of his Sunday school students, and all he does is pull out a Bible and reads scriptures to him for the next couple hours......he is going to die! Reality trumps fantasy, but he will go back to church preaching that science is all bunk! This man is not alone, most Christians know that science is real even though they are taught and tell others that science is bunk! But when there is a fire, they pull out one the newest items of scientific creations, the cell phone and they will call the fire department. Christians are taught that science is bunk! But when they turn on their TV, they are confident they will see a signal transmitted by a satellite orbiting over 23,000 miles above the Earth. Science works and is in the real world. God is real and exists in the real world. So religion is real but we do not want to turn them into fantasy. History and science is real. Any religion that denies reality is teaching lies or at least fantasies! This is the Christian Matrix, that conditions the mind to live in reality, but believe in fantasy. Even though they are taught that sex is evil, nasty, dirty, and sinful, they are going to get naked, have sex, and have children anyway. They are going to profess the fantasy to one another and use it as a religion but deep down they know it is not true.
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As yet Reg, I have yet to find ANY credible evidence that disproves a BALL earth.
1. If FLAT I've asked them to name the cities/towns closest to 3,6,9,12 on a clock face - so far nothing.
2. If FLAT why does Longyearbyen have NO sunlight today yet Ushuaia has over 17 hours sun today
Besides diversions, no other response yet :)
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Except every single glober discounts and refuses to believe God's Word is accurate and 100% true.
Good night.
Stop mentioning me, I will not participate in this nonsense.I have wondered why when someone jumps off of a cliff, they don't get pulled into the cliff, but rather get pulled downward. There should be some observable force present.
If mass pulls us in, then why do we only seem to experience objects getting pulled down? Maybe it's just me. Maybe @rvmb , @ScottA , @marks , or even @HealthyShape with his earth-shadow moon-crescent theory have experienced being pulled sideways into cliffs before.
When Aristotle wanted to prove that Zeno's paradoxes do not exist, he just walked back and forth to demonstrate that the logic of the paradoxes does not work in the real life.
Instead of endless debates, go outside and watch sunset or sunrise. Eclipses, Moon phases... Buy a telescope and watch the skies - planets, satellites... Learn to predict their movements and then see if it is explainable by a flat earth or by the standard cosmological model.
Do something real. If you do not trust the discoveries of others, you simply need to discover it by yourself. Learn what were the reasons geocentrism was abandoned and replicate the steps.
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The author of confusion is man & not the writings of the Bible :)
You say, right before you participate further...
And I suppose this is how you came to the conclusion moon phases are from the Earth's shadow contrary to what NASA teaches?
As if asking questions and reasoning is not real?
This is great advice, but I am not convinced I am capable of discovering it for myself with how complicated it would truly be. When even the visual size of the sun and moon are subject to light refraction, it can be difficult.
