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Simple = God is not at the center of the universe.

The universe is His Creation = of which HE is BEYOND

Hopefully you AGREE on this = Acts 7:48-50

However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands. As the prophet says:
‘Heaven is My throne
and the earth is My footstool.
What kind of house will you build for Me, says the Lord,
or where will My place of repose be?
Has not My hand made all these things?’

AND = "the Heaven of heavens CANNOT contain THEE, much less this house/Temple"
Typical.

Accuse me of believing a lie, as if God has not revealed Himself in His creation, then leaving out the passages of scripture that don't support your personal interpretation and doctrine. Who is the liar, you or these verses you conveniently avoided and left out that show you as being wrong?
  • Romans 1:19-20: "For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made, so they are without excuse".
  • Psalm 19:1-2: "The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Day after day they pour out speech, and night after night they reveal knowledge".
  • John 1:18: "No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him." (referring to Jesus, who is "God with us" also made manifest).
No excuse.
 
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I appreciate that, thank you.

Since nobody of the globe side answered my question, let me ask you: what is the response to this kind of evidence?

I suppose they don't deny that you can see too far. I have a hard time imagining what kind of response they would give against all that. Especially when there is visible even miles of what you shouldn't be able to see.

Do you know what is the most verifiable amount of distance that is visible, although it should be hidden?
I'm sorry, I'm not a mathematician, but the formula to calculate the alleged curvature of the earth is available on line in multiple places.

I live with a friend of mine who has dementia, she has major delusions, she sees and hears things, people who aren't there, they live in the attic and climb the walls and all sorts of other unpleasant stuff.

Its all very real to her, and I've learned that to keep her from losing it and ending up back in the hospital or to keep her from trying to burn the house down (again), the last thing I can ever do is question her reality or even slightly suggest in anyway that she may be wrong or that anything she believes isn't real.
No alternative answers, no data, no evidence, nothing will be allowed to question her reality, because for her, its an existential matter. If you even get close to making her question her experience, or question it yourself, she gets very angry and completely shuts down.

I offered to place cameras in the attic, nail boards on the floor, offered to change all the locks and buy her a safe for the belongings she can't keep track of and she claims they steal from her. No to all of that, because either of those measures could possibly prove or disprove the veracity of her delusions.

The cultists aren't much different.

My friend, whom I love dearly and do my best to care for, has brain damage. How she became damaged is debatable. I've read that narcissists will often develop Alzheimer's/dementia later in life because of the mind having to continuously overwrite the truth with lies, it starts to breakdown like a computer that's had the operating system wiped and rewritten one too many times.

That's kind of what cults do to people, slowly break down their connection to reality. Propaganda does the same thing. The entire world is a satanic propaganda network. Holding fast to truth, is the only known remedy that I am aware of, the Truth of the scriptures, the Gospel, the person of Jesus Christ etc. But these truths cannot be held only in the mind, they must be a working part of our lives, practiced and applied continuously.

Or as the scriptures clearly reveal, God Himself will hand someone over to strong delusion.

I love old people, they have so much knowledge and wisdom to share with us, and kind souls become even kinder as they age, and the truly wise become wiser still. Sadly, many elderly people at some point begin to lose touch with reality. I have spent time with many many elder people, some who had a strong relationship with Christ, and many others who have not. I can't say I have ever met an elderly person who walked with Christ and had built his life on the firm foundation of the Gospel, who ever lost touch with reality, even well into their 90's.

I'll conclude with this. The brainwashing begins early. A child knows he is living on an immovable horizontal plane. The ground beneath his feet does not spin. He feels no 1000 mph rotation. He observes the sun and moon and stars slowly passing over his head. He knows up from down. He watches butterflies flutter about in the breeze, he let's go of his balloon and watches it drift up and away with no magical imaginary force to pull it back down to earth. He notices, subconsciously of course, that the milk in his cup, the water in his pool, the water at the lake, are all very flat and smooth when resting. But from the earliest age, he is taught over and over again to deny his five senses. Once you train a child that his observable reality cannot be trusted, to deny everything that is verifiably real, at that point you can pour into his consciousness whatever absurdity you desire, and it will be accepted as truth. The forces that run the earth know this very well, and have been using these methods for a very long time.

Look up trauma based mind control, its another favorite method of the puppet masters for inducing conformity and obedience.

Check out a man named Matthias Desmit, he has written some very good books on the subject of mass psychosis and there are many videos describing his research.

I hope you found my ramblings useful.

Be blessed, be at peace.
 
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Typical.

Accuse me of believing a lie, as if God has not revealed Himself in His creation, then leaving out the passages of scripture that don't support your personal interpretation and doctrine. Who is the liar, you or these verses you conveniently avoided and left out that show you as being wrong?
  • Romans 1:19-20: "For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made, so they are without excuse".
  • Psalm 19:1-2: "The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Day after day they pour out speech, and night after night they reveal knowledge".
  • John 1:18: "No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him." (referring to Jesus, who is "God with us" also made manifest).
No excuse.
My brother Scott,
i am WITH you for i LOVE Romans 1:19-20 and Psalm 19:1-2

You ALSO need to LOVE Jeremiah 31:35-37 for all these are the Words of GOD of One Specific Truth = the earth is fixed and does not move.
A globe ball spinning at 1,000 mph = never was created by God for HE would of Said so = Isaiah 8:19-22

And when they say to you, “Seek those who are mediums and wizards(NASA), who whisper and mutter,” should not a people seek their God? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living?
To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

They will pass through it hard-pressed and hungry; and it shall happen, when they are hungry, that they will be enraged and curse their king and their God, and look upward. Then they will look to the earth, and see trouble and darkness, gloom of anguish; and they will be driven into darkness.
 
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I've never seen those pix.

Could you post?

Other persons have see the curvature other than scientists.
I was a travel agent for about 8 years many years ago.

The curvature of the earth was visible.
SEE Post 642

There is no curvature of the earth = for it does not exist

You do not understand the methodology of satan and his servants who are far more intelligent then you or i
Their intellect is for one purpose = to deceive the inhabitants of the world

Print this scripture out and place it on your fridge or wall and read it until God gives complete understanding = 1 John 5:19

"We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one."

Satan's lie to you = Genesis cannot be trusted in NASA science


My my, how christians have conformed to the mind control of NASA/science, Big Pharma, philosophy/education.

Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

It is NOT the will of God to believe what satanists are selling you as 'science'
 
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My brother Scott,
i am WITH you for i LOVE Romans 1:19-20 and Psalm 19:1-2

You ALSO need to LOVE Jeremiah 31:35-37 for all these are the Words of GOD of One Specific Truth = the earth is fixed and does not move.
A globe ball spinning at 1,000 mph = never was created by God for HE would of Said so = Isaiah 8:19-22

And when they say to you, “Seek those who are mediums and wizards(NASA), who whisper and mutter,” should not a people seek their God? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living?
To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

They will pass through it hard-pressed and hungry; and it shall happen, when they are hungry, that they will be enraged and curse their king and their God, and look upward. Then they will look to the earth, and see trouble and darkness, gloom of anguish; and they will be driven into darkness.
That is not what Jeremiah 31:35-37 says:​

35 Thus says the Lord,
Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea,
And its waves roar
(The Lord of hosts is His name):

36 “If those ordinances depart
From before Me, says the Lord,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
From being a nation before Me forever.”

37 Thus says the Lord:
“If heaven above can be measured,
And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
For all that they have done, says the Lord.

As for Isaiah...It is you and those who believe the earth is flat who "do not speak according to the word", even leaving out those passages that show you wrong--which I pointed out to you and you still disregard them apparently preferring your own counsel. Sad indeed.​
 
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That is not what Jeremiah 31:35-37 says:​

35 Thus says the Lord,
Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea,
And its waves roar
(The Lord of hosts is His name):

36 “If those ordinances depart
From before Me, says the Lord,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
From being a nation before Me forever.”

37 Thus says the Lord:
“If heaven above can be measured,
And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
For all that they have done, says the Lord.

As for Isaiah...It is you and those who believe the earth is flat who "do not speak according to the word", even leaving out those passages that show you wrong--which I pointed out to you and you still disregard them apparently preferring your own counsel. Sad indeed.​
Simple logic question for you on Jeremiah 31:37
Please answer either Yes or No as commanded by the LORD - Matthew 5:7

A.) “If heaven above can be measured,"
B.) "And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,"

A.) We know that scientists cannot search out the heavens above = Yes or No

B.) Have the foundations of the earth been searched/SEEN by man = Yes or No
 
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And when they say to you, “Seek those who are mediums and wizards(NASA), who whisper and mutter,” should not a people seek their God? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living?

Brother, as you know, the founding father of NASA, Wernher Von Braun, was a Nazi MK Ultra doctor. Some of my trauma-based mind control experiences took place at NASA facilities. Idk what the purpose was, but they put us in the drop room (I forget what they're called). In my memories, it looked almost like an elevator, but it would drop and you'd be free-floating, trying to stay upright and land on your feet. They also used the zero-gravity rooms ...and I believe an actual aircraft.

I actually had flashbacks after my first granddaughter was born of being dangled from the wing of a small aircraft as an infant. They used a harness that attached to the wing. That was probably military related (military base).

Anyway ....just making NASA connections ....straight up satanic organization. They spin out "science" falsely so called for public consumption to feed into the agenda.
 
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Brother, as you know, the founding father of NASA, Wernher Von Braun, was a Nazi MK Ultra doctor. Some of my trauma-based mind control experiences took place at NASA facilities. Idk what the purpose was, but they put us in the drop room (I forget what they're called). In my memories, it looked almost like an elevator, but it would drop and you'd be free-floating, trying to stay upright and land on your feet. They also used the zero-gravity rooms ...and I believe an actual aircraft.

I actually had flashbacks after my first granddaughter was born of being dangled from the wing of a small aircraft as an infant. They used a harness that attached to the wing. That was probably military related (military base).

Anyway ....just making NASA connections ....straight up satanic organization. They spin out "science" falsely so called for public consumption to feed into the agenda.
 
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Do you even know and understand Daniel chapter 2 ???

I have an online atheist friend, he says: I see no evidence for God, but enough evidence for a devil, go figure.

Of course I agree with the Scriptures you posted, it does not mean the Earth is flat.

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This how planes fly from New York to Paris and vice versa.

Not in a straight line.

Why do you think that is ?
 
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Brother, as you know, the founding father of NASA, Wernher Von Braun, was a Nazi MK Ultra doctor. Some of my trauma-based mind control experiences took place at NASA facilities. Idk what the purpose was, but they put us in the drop room (I forget what they're called). In my memories, it looked almost like an elevator, but it would drop and you'd be free-floating, trying to stay upright and land on your feet. They also used the zero-gravity rooms ...and I believe an actual aircraft.

I actually had flashbacks after my first granddaughter was born of being dangled from the wing of a small aircraft as an infant. They used a harness that attached to the wing. That was probably military related (military base).

Anyway ....just making NASA connections ....straight up satanic organization. They spin out "science" falsely so called for public consumption to feed into the agenda.
And yet christians trust them = breaks my heart
 
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I have an online atheist friend, he says: I see no evidence for God, but enough evidence for a devil, go figure.

Of course I agree with the Scriptures you posted, it does not mean the Earth flat.

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This how planes fly from New York to Paris and vice versa.

Not in a straight line.

Why do you think that is ?
Thank you.

Please research how the puppet masters of this world manipulate the plane flights and data.

1 John 5:19 - We know that we are of God, and that the whole world is under the power of the evil one.

Praise God you know and love the Lord

Now you need to pray and ask God to reveal to you = the whole world is under the power of the evil one.

 
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Brother, as you know, the founding father of NASA, Wernher Von Braun, was a Nazi MK Ultra doctor. Some of my trauma-based mind control experiences took place at NASA facilities. Idk what the purpose was, but they put us in the drop room (I forget what they're called). In my memories, it looked almost like an elevator, but it would drop and you'd be free-floating, trying to stay upright and land on your feet. They also used the zero-gravity rooms ...and I believe an actual aircraft.

I actually had flashbacks after my first granddaughter was born of being dangled from the wing of a small aircraft as an infant. They used a harness that attached to the wing. That was probably military related (military base).

Anyway ....just making NASA connections ....straight up satanic organization. They spin out "science" falsely so called for public consumption to feed into the agenda.
Absolutely my Sister
 
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Thank you.

Please research how the puppet masters of this world manipulate the plane flights and data.

The simple answer is, the distance is shorter due to the round earth.

It saves money.


1 John 5:19 - We know that we are of God, and that the whole world is under the power of the evil one.

Praise God you know and love the Lord

Now you need to pray and ask God to reveal to you = the whole world is under the power of the evil one.

Agreed.

Does not make the Earth flat.



 
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The simple answer is, the distance is shorter due to the round earth.

It saves money.



Agreed.

Does not make the Earth flat.
Your plane flights are controlled to fit a globe by the globalists who control the world.

How far away is the moon?
 

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Before you request "confirmable evidence", are you sure you're even open to the possibility?

Are you willing to admit the unreliability of your "common basic observations"?



For me, the logical possibility of it is enough reason to consider the thoughts.
Please list the confirmable evidence sites that anyone can go & read :)
80km flat frozen lake eg Lake Baikal.
You sit on the ice at one end & me 80km away doing the same.
Both using a powerful tripod telescope 1meter above the flat ice, do you believe we could see each other ?
 

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Your plane flights are controlled to fit a globe by the globalists who control the world.

How far away is the moon?
Just for you :)
"""Before modern science, ancient Greeks like Aristarchus (around 270 BC) used geometry and lunar eclipses to estimate the Moon's distance, finding it was roughly 60 times the Earth's radius, a remarkably accurate figure close to today's ~60.3 Earth radii (around 238,900 miles/384,400 km). Later astronomers refined these figures, with estimates ranging from 56 to 77 Earth radii (224,000 to 308,000 miles) using parallax methods, long before laser ranging confirmed the exact distance. ""
 

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When man's "science" conflicts with God's Word, I choose God's Word. Those who believe His Word will find plenty of proof in real science that confirms WHAT HE SAID.
Rev1:7 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
In that case the earth is a square and not round :)
 
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Brother, as you know, the founding father of NASA, Wernher Von Braun, was a Nazi MK Ultra doctor. Some of my trauma-based mind control experiences took place at NASA facilities. Idk what the purpose was, but they put us in the drop room (I forget what they're called). In my memories, it looked almost like an elevator, but it would drop and you'd be free-floating, trying to stay upright and land on your feet. They also used the zero-gravity rooms ...and I believe an actual aircraft.

I actually had flashbacks after my first granddaughter was born of being dangled from the wing of a small aircraft as an infant. They used a harness that attached to the wing. That was probably military related (military base).

Anyway ....just making NASA connections ....straight up satanic organization. They spin out "science" falsely so called for public consumption to feed into the agenda.
Did the above happen to YOU?
If so, why were you in the program?
 

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Rev1:7 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
In that case the earth is a square and not round :)
Also, doesn't this mean the wind would never blow anywhere?
I'm not an expert on these discussions - I just find them fascinating.
(re Rev 1:7)

And if we accept this,,,then does this mean that there's a real dragon somewhere?
 
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