Flat Earth Theory

[GodsGrace]

Could be. But how do you demonstrate that Genesis is indeed to be understood in this way?

Well, if I have my information correct....history begins with Abraham.
Maybe snakes did speak when the earth was perfect - who can know for sure.
And God could use whatever means necessary...of course this would mean that
God purposefully put a speaking snake in the Garden to entice Eve and then Adam by her....
I'm not reformed so I don't accept this premise.

But let's not derail this thread.

 

[GodsGrace]

I always wondered why we don't see stars.

Likewise with astronauts doing a spacewalk, no stars in the background.

Well ProDeo
Those folk who produce all those fake videos so we could be fooled into thinking they're real...
would KNOW whether or not there should be starts in the background and produce the scene accordingly.
They''re not dumb ya know. They know how to fool us real good.

Let's see what our new god says: Gemini

Can stars be seen from the moon?

Yes, stars are absolutely visible from the Moon, even during the lunar day, but you need to shield your eyes from the blinding Sun and bright Earth, and cameras often miss them due to short exposures needed for bright surfaces. With no atmosphere, stars don't twinkle and appear clearer, but the extreme brightness of the lunar day or the reflected light from Earth can easily wash them out, just like city lights hide stars on Earth, so you need a long exposure or to be in deep shadow for photos.


Can stars be seen from space?

Yes, stars can absolutely be seen from space, and often more clearly than from Earth because there's no atmosphere to block or distort the light, but they aren't always visible in photos due to bright sunlight and camera settings, similar to trying to see stars during a bright day on Earth. Astronauts in orbit see a brilliant night sky when the Sun isn't in view, but when looking towards the bright Earth or the Sun, the glare makes faint stars hard to spot, just as cameras need longer exposures for stars, which would overexpose the brighter Earth.


See,,,the same.
Looks like those people making those fake pictures/film really know what they're doing!!


Which makes me wonder how DUMB were those people that produced that video @Rudometkin posted??

Seriously....who can know why that video was made...I sure don't remember.
I just remember seeing it and how fake it looked.
Maybe Coppola or Spielberg should have been called in??

 

[GodsGrace]

Ah. So you claim it's obviously in a studio, and that it looked faked.

You said:


But that footage itself claims it's faked - specifically that it's NASA faking you out.

So, how is it obvious that it's "in a studio"?

You dismissed it so easily, it is evident to me that your general skepticism is ridiculously low, or perhaps even worse, that you are extremely biased.

You are at the point you look at an incriminating NASA video, and say "Nope, obviously faked" without reasonable explanation.

Are you sure you aren't in denial?

I tagged you into my last post.

Here's how I think of this, again:

The people who made the video you posted must be really DUMB.
They couldn't even make it look real.

I tend not to trust DUMB people.

YOUR video looks really different than the one I posted....
could you prove it's the same video?
I don't think so.

The flag wavng in the "wind" was bothering me, but I got my reply to that too.
In fact is stopped "waving" at a certain point (in the real video).

Plus what does the moonwalk have to do with a flat earth?
I suppose you mean that we're being fooled in different ways.

I would have to agree...but I'm more inclined to believe it's financial and social.
We're getting poorer and poorer and all the world is looking the same - no matter where you go in the civilized world.

Here's my question to you:
WHY are we being fooled re the earth?
Why does it matter if it's flat or round?

If I want to go from NY all around and back to NY
and the earth if flat...
does the plane have to make a U-turn and come back to NY to accomplish this?
If it just keeps going straight, how does it get back to NY??

 

[GodsGrace]

SEE Post 642

There is no curvature of the earth = for it does not exist

OK
I read you post 642.
Have YOU ever spoken to anyone that saw the earth curve?
What if I have?
Am I supposed to believe them or not?
Why would they lie to me?

You do not understand the methodology of satan and his servants who are far more intelligent then you or i
Their intellect is for one purpose = to deceive the inhabitants of the world

Oh for goodness sake David...I think you know me enough to know I'm a little smarter than this.
I think I know a lot about satan.

Print this scripture out and place it on your fridge or wall and read it until God gives complete understanding = 1 John 5:19

"We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one."

Satan's lie to you = Genesis cannot be trusted in NASA science

I don't need to print anything out and stick it on my fridge. (plus it wouldn't stick on my fridge).
The NT clearly states that satan is the prince of this world and that he roams it seeking whom he will devour.

I'm still not sure what Genesis has to do with all this.
Genesis is not a science book and if a person sees it that way, he will reject ALL of scripture.
This is why the younger generation will not respect Christianity.
Most of them think we're really dumb.

My my, how christians have conformed to the mind control of NASA/science, Big Pharma, philosophy/education.

Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

We are to transform our soul David.
I'd agree with you that EVERYTHING is tainted by the sin nature.
I do not believe, however, that everything is SIN.
There's a difference.

Are you keeping up with the information on the cell?
That's science.
It proves there must be a God.

So do we just throw science out?

It is NOT the will of God to believe what satanists are selling you as 'science'

I agree but not in all instances.
I think God gave us a brain and logic so we could decide what science to believe --- or not believe.

I just can't throw it all out.

 

[ProDeo]

Your plane flights are controlled to fit a globe by the globalists who control the world.

We are not in the Matrix with devil as the The Architect.

. Is politics dirty, yes.
. Is politics about power, yes.
. Is politics about money, yes
. Is mankind without Christ evil, yes
. Is mankind without Christ the anti-Christ, yes [1 John 2:22]

1 John 2:22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.

How far away is the moon?

Far.

And the moon is round, not flat.
The sun is round, not flat.
As are all the planets in our solar system, round.

Gravity at work.

Question I once asked a NASA scientist, when you landed on the moon in 1969, it was dark, no light. But when I look in the sky and see the moon, a round ball full of light. Care to explain? And he did, I learned something.

Bottom line for me, don't draw conclusions on issues I don't fully understand, but keep asking questions. These missing stars in the background of the moon landing in the official NASA video still bother me. Likewise these official NASA videos astronauts doing a space walk and the lack of stars in the background. I want to hear an answer.

 

[Archie]

God tells us through His servant Moses that there are waters above and below the firmament

Genesis 1:6-7 (KJV)
"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so."

God tells us through His servant Moses that the waters above and below the firmament were divided
before He created the dry land

Genesis 1:9 (KJV)
"And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so."

God tells us through His servant Moses that the great lights were placed within the firmament

Genesis 1:14-17 (KJV)
"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth."

God questions Job through His servant Elihu about the heavens, describing the sky (firmament) as
strong molten glass

Job 37:18 (KJV)
"Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?"

Strong? A strong sky? Yes.
A strong firmament. Strong enough to divide the waters above from the waters below.

The great lights, and the lesser lights; Sun, moon and stars, are within the firmament

science
/sī′əns/
noun
The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.

The Bible is indeed a science book

The best science book

For when God Himself identifies, describes, and explains His creation, theorization is no longer required

Trust the science

Trust your Creator

The Sun and Moon are local

 

[David in NJ]

We are not in the Matrix with devil as the The Architect.

. Is politics dirty, yes.
. Is politics about power, yes.
. Is politics about money, yes
. Is mankind without Christ evil, yes
. Is mankind without Christ the anti-Christ, yes [1 John 2:22]

1 John 2:22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.



Far.

And the moon is round, not flat.
The sun is round, not flat.
As are all the planets in our solar system, round.

Gravity at work.

Question I once asked a NASA scientist, when you landed on the moon in 1969, it was dark, no light. But when I look in the sky and see the moon, a round ball full of light. Care to explain? And he did, I learned something.

Bottom line for me, don't draw conclusions on issues I don't fully understand, but keep asking questions. These missing stars in the background of the moon landing in the official NASA video still bother me. Likewise these official NASA videos astronauts doing a space walk and the lack of stars in the background. I want to hear an answer.

How far away is the moon according to NASA whom you trust.

 

[David in NJ]

OK
I read you post 642.
Have YOU ever spoken to anyone that saw the earth curve?
What if I have?
Am I supposed to believe them or not?
Why would they lie to me?


Oh for goodness sake David...I think you know me enough to know I'm a little smarter than this.
I think I know a lot about satan.

I don't need to print anything out and stick it on my fridge. (plus it wouldn't stick on my fridge).
The NT clearly states that satan is the prince of this world and that he roams it seeking whom he will devour.

I'm still not sure what Genesis has to do with all this.
Genesis is not a science book and if a person sees it that way, he will reject ALL of scripture.
This is why the younger generation will not respect Christianity.
Most of them think we're really dumb.

We are to transform our soul David.
I'd agree with you that EVERYTHING is tainted by the sin nature.
I do not believe, however, that everything is SIN.
There's a difference.

Are you keeping up with the information on the cell?
That's science.
It proves there must be a God.

So do we just throw science out?



I agree but not in all instances.
I think God gave us a brain and logic so we could decide what science to believe --- or not believe.

I just can't throw it all out.

Good Morning and Yes, i enjoy our fellowship in the Truth - thank you

How far away is the moon according to NASA?

 

[GodsGrace]

Good Morning and Yes, i enjoy our fellowship in the Truth - thank you

How far away is the moon according to NASA?

I don't know.

 

[David in NJ]

I don't know.

188,000 miles

That alone should OPEN your eyes to their lies

 

[GodsGrace]

188,000 miles

That alone should OPEN your eyes to their lies

why?
why is it important?
I thought over 200 thou.

 

[David in NJ]

why?
why is it important?
I thought over 200 thou.

Last night was a full moon here.
Anyone can easily see, just with their eyes the surface of the moon.

With just mere 10x Binoculars you see even more detail.
God does not want you placing your trust in satanists/globalists.

Please take a few minutes an dread this.

Jack Parsons and the Occult Roots of JPL –

www.spacesafetymagazine.com

 

[Archie]

Only if you read your Bible as a science book.

And its not.

It's about God dealing with sin, from Gen 3 - Rev 22:21

God tells us through His servant Moses that there are waters above and below the firmament

Genesis 1:6-7 (KJV)
"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so."

God tells us through His servant Moses that the waters above and below the firmament were divided
before He created the dry land

Genesis 1:9 (KJV)
"And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so."

God tells us through His servant Moses that the great lights were placed within the firmament

Genesis 1:14-17 (KJV)
"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth."

God questions Job through His servant Elihu about the heavens, describing the sky (firmament) as
strong molten glass

Job 37:18 (KJV)
"Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?"

Strong? A strong sky? Yes.
A strong firmament. Strong enough to divide the waters above from the waters below.

The great lights, and the lesser lights; Sun, moon and stars, are within the firmament

science
/sī′əns/
noun
The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.

The Bible is indeed a science book

The best science book

For when God Himself identifies, describes, and explains His creation, theorization is no longer required

Trust the science

Trust your Creator

The Sun and Moon are local

 

[Archie]

 

[GodsGrace]

Last night was a full moon here.
Anyone can easily see, just with their eyes the surface of the moon.

With just mere 10x Binoculars you see even more detail.
God does not want you placing your trust in satanists/globalists.

Please take a few minutes an dread this.

Jack Parsons and the Occult Roots of JPL –

www.spacesafetymagazine.com

I tried David.
Can't read that stuff.
Plus I'm getting off this thread.
Back to theology.
Catch you there.
GG

 

[ScottA]

Simple logic question for you on Jeremiah 31:37
Please answer either Yes or No as commanded by the LORD - Matthew 5:7

A.) “If heaven above can be measured,"
B.) "And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,"

A.) We know that scientists cannot search out the heavens above = Yes or No

B.) Have the foundations of the earth been searched/SEEN by man = Yes or No

Neither of those proves the earth flat or global. But you have missed the point of the passage. First tell us-- What is the message of Jeremiah 31:37?

 

[David in NJ]

Neither of those proves the earth flat or global. But you have missed the point of the passage. First tell us-- What is the message of Jeremiah 31:37?

How is that someone as smart as yourself did not answer a very basic question.???

ScottA - God is for us, not against us.

The TRUTH of Jeremiah 31:37 is Factual Science = that is the Challenge that God has made for all of mankind and Satan

God KNEW of the power of satan with his pysops of the globe/ball earth and thus HE gave us Genesis , Jeremiah 31:35-37 and more!!!

This is satan's last full attack on the ownership of the minds/souls of a world controlled by satan's darkness.
Soon coming is the army satan is building for the final 'Purge' of the Saints.

Which will Bring Down the WRATH of the LAMB

 

[ScottA]

God questions Job through His servant Elihu about the heavens, describing the sky (firmament) as
strong molten glass

Job 37:18 (KJV)
"Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?"

Strong? A strong sky? Yes.
A strong firmament. Strong enough to divide the waters above from the waters below.

This (above) is error.

It takes not "strong" "glass" to hold back water. I am somewhat of an expert. Water rather, is held back (or not) by a balance of pressures (or the lack thereof).

This kind of thinking is worldly--doesn't even go beyond the earth's atmosphere--the lower thinking of men. The waters of scripture exceed this type of logic and thinking, and are merely given by God as a parable, an example.

Who here can actually explain the true biblical meaning of "waters?" Anyone? Perhaps then you who believe the teachings of men, whether of one form of deception or another, will understand this issue.

 

[GodsGrace]

This (above) is error.

It takes not "strong" "glass" to hold back water. I am somewhat of an expert. Water rather, is held back (or not) by a balance of pressures (or the lack thereof).

This kind of thinking is worldly--doesn't even go beyond the earth's atmosphere--the lower thinking of men. The waters of scripture exceed this type of logic and thinking, and are merely given by God as a parable, an example.

Who here can actually explain the true biblical meaning of "waters?" Anyone? Perhaps then you who believe the teachings of men, whether of one form of deception or another, will understand this issue.

I was taught that water represents the world and its teachings.
Comment please?

As when Jesus went out into the water to get fish for Peter....
He was going out into the "world" and showed Peter that he would fish for men.

 

[GodsGrace]

Neither of those proves the earth flat or global. But you have missed the point of the passage. First tell us-- What is the message of Jeremiah 31:37?

I'd like to hear your comment....
if you care to.