the 1335 days, the 1290 days, the 45 days

[Douggg]

 

[TribulationSigns]

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This is incorrect—again. You’re trying to overlap the 1,290 days and the 1,335 days as if these are literal numbers you can juggle around on a calendar. That is not how God presents them. The 1,260, 1,290, and 1,335 days all begin from the same starting point—Day 0 (or Day 1). These numbers are spiritual benchmarks, not a set of literal dates for you to manipulate at will.

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This is exactly where your interpretation collapses. I do not believe for a moment that God intended anyone to treat the 1,290 days as literal calendar days—any more than He wanted the “1,000 years” of Christ’s reign to be taken as a stopwatch measurement. The millennium is a symbolic marker of a divinely appointed era, not a countdown that reveals the exact day it ends. In the same way, the 1,290 days function as a spiritual timeframe, not a humanly-calculable date range.

Think about it: the day you perceived the abomination of desolation standing in the Holy Place is not the day I perceived it. Selah. Depending on where we live, the spiritual condition of the churches around us, and what God opened our understanding to see, that revelation did not occur uniformly. Yet it all converges into one unavoidable conclusion: every church ultimately fell.

And let’s be clear—none of this has anything to do with your cherished national Israel. You missed the mark because you started with the wrong Israel altogether. Daniel’s 70th week concerns God’s New Covenant with His Church in the New Testament, not geopolitical Israel. That fundamental error is why your entire timeline interpretation keeps breaking down.

 

[Davidpt]

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Have you moved the goalpost or something? I thought your position is that it's in the middle of the 70th week when great tribulation initially begins? Yet your chart shows that great tribulation initially begins during the first half of the 70th week when 75 days are still remaining before the 2nd half begins.

Doesn't your chart indicate you have great tribulation beginning the first half of the 70th week rather than beginning in the 2nd half of the 70th week? 1185 days later would still be during the 1st half of the 70th week

1st half of the 70th week = 1260 days

2nd half of the 70th week = 1260 days


1260 - 1185 = 75. Which means, like I already indicated, you have great tribulation beginning during the 1st half when there are still 75 days remaining before the 2nd half begins

 

[Douggg]

Have you moved the goalpost or something? I thought your position is that it's in the middle of the 70th week when great tribulation initially begins? Yet your chart shows that great tribulation initially begins during the first half of the 70th week when 75 days are still remaining before the 2nd half begins.

My position has always been that the great tribulation begins in the midst of the week, not at the mid-point of the week.

Doesn't your chart indicate you have great tribulation beginning the first half of the 70th week rather than beginning in the 2nd half of the 70th week? 1185 days later would still be during the 1st half of the 70th week

No, the first half of the 70th week begins with the confirming of the mount Sinai covenant by the Antichrist. Which the confirmation process will be a big speech by the Antichrist from the temple mount that God gave the land of Israel to the children of Israel as theirs forever. The confirmation speech will be day 1 of the 70th week.

Yes, day 1185 will be in first half of the 70th week.

1260 - 1185 = 75. Which means, like I already indicated, you have great tribulation beginning during the 1st half when there are still 75 days remaining before the 2nd half begins

correct.

There are two passages in the bible that have the one thousand two hundred and threescore days (1260 days) in the text.
Revelation 11:3 and Revelation 12:6.

Both of those will be in the first half of the 7 years.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I can see you’re still busy juggling numbers like a circus act—yet somehow missing the actual prophecy God is giving. Take your “interpretation” of Revelation 9:10, for example. According to you, these are literal flesh-tormenting locusts buzzing around for five literal months somewhere inside a maze of 1,290 days, 2,300 days, “time, times, and half a time,” and 42 months. Quite an impressive spreadsheet, I’m sure—but biblically? It collapses instantly.

You haven’t shown who the smoke-locusts represent, what their scorpion-like power refers to, how they torment those without the seal of God, or what it means that men seek death but cannot find it. Nor have you explained the obvious symbolism in their description:

• like horses prepared for battle
• crowns like gold
• faces like men, hair of women, teeth of lions, etc?

These aren’t entomology textbooks. They’re prophetic images with spiritual meaning. But instead of learning what the Lord is actually revealing about these five months, you’re too busy shuffling timelines and forcing numbers into a chart that “feels right” to you.

Unfortunately, that may work for your diagram—but it doesn’t work for God’s Word, especially when you haven’t understood what He’s talking about in the first place!

 

[Truth7t7]

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I Disagree, You Claim To Know The Exact Day Of The 2nd Coming After The Image Is Set Up "Wrong"

No Man Knows The Day Of The Future 2nd Coming

Matthew 24:36KJV

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

 

[Marilyn C]

The measurement for the 7 years -

7 years = 220 days + 2,300 days = 2,520 days.

The 2,300 days marks the start of the sacrifices through to the Abomination in the temple, (sacrifices taken away) then on to the cleansing of the temple.



`Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, “How long will the vision be, concerning

the daily sacrifices

and the transgression of desolation,

the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?”

And he said to me, For 2,300 days (evening-mornings);

then the sanctuary shall be cleansed.` (Dan. 8: 13 & 14)

 

[Marilyn C]

The 1,290 days marks the time the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination is set up in its place. Then it will be dealt with by the Lord.


`And from the time that

the daily sacrifice is taken away,

and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be 1,290 days.`(Dan. 12: 11)

`then the sanctuary will be cleansed.` (Dan. 8: 14)

 

[Marilyn C]

This period of time shows that the tribulation has been shortened by 30 days. 1,290 - 1,260 = 30 days.


It is the time when

the Gentiles will tread down the holy city, (42 mths 1,260 days. Rev. 11: 2)

& when the two witnesses give their testimony, (1,260 days. Rev. 11: 3)

& when the anti-Christ is given complete authority and power. (42 mths 1,260days.

Rev.13: 5)

 

[Marilyn C]

This shows the month of Adar with the 15th day for Purim, (celebrations) before the New Year & the Millennium.



1,260 - Jesus Returns & 29 days of mourning.

1,290 - Temple Cleansed & 30 days of New Year for trees.

1,335 - 15th of Purim celebrations in Adar.



`Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the 1,335 days.` (Dan. 12: 12)

 

[rvmb]

My position has always been that the great tribulation begins in the midst of the week, not at the mid-point of the week.


No, the first half of the 70th week begins with the confirming of the mount Sinai covenant by the Antichrist. Which the confirmation process will be a big speech by the Antichrist from the temple mount that God gave the land of Israel to the children of Israel as theirs forever. The confirmation speech will be day 1 of the 70th week.

Yes, day 1185 will be in first half of the 70th week.


correct.

There are two passages in the bible that have the one thousand two hundred and threescore days (1260 days) in the text.
Revelation 11:3 and Revelation 12:6.

Both of those will be in the first half of the 7 years.

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In your chart Dg, where do believe Christ ( 1 Thess 4:17) returning in the clouds belongs ?

 

[rvmb]

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This shows the month of Adar with the 15th day for Purim, (celebrations) before the New Year & the Millennium.



1,260 - Jesus Returns & 29 days of mourning.

1,290 - Temple Cleansed & 30 days of New Year for trees.

1,335 - 15th of Purim celebrations in Adar.



`Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the 1,335 days.` (Dan. 12: 12)

Those 7 years are not going to be enjoyable for those "left behind"
Besides those born in those 7 years, what age do you believe the youngest one will be at the beginning of the 7 years ?
BTW, hello from Adelaide :)

 

[ewq1938]

Those 7 years are not going to be enjoyable for those "left behind"

Better than to be those who departed in Apostasy.

Besides those born in those 7 years, what age do you believe the youngest one will be at the beginning of the 7 years ?

Christ said the length would be shortened so now it's half of 7 years.

 

[Douggg]

In your chart Dg, where do believe Christ ( 1 Thess 4:17) returning in the clouds belongs ?

1Thessalonians4:14-18 is speaking about the resurrection/rapture event.

That event could take place "any time" between right this very second and the day the Antichrist commits the sit-in the temple act of 2Thessalonians2:4, known as the transgression of desolation in Daniel 8:13.

To show on the chart, I will have to add the ToD act and the resurrection/rapture event window. Here it is...

 

[rvmb]

Better than to be those who departed in Apostasy.




Christ said the length would be shortened so now it's half of 7 years.

""Better than those...."""
Yes as long as they don't take the mark and do other works that will be required eg :- Matt 27:37-40

 

[rvmb]

1Thessalonians4:14-18 is speaking about the resurrection/rapture event.

That event could take place "any time" between right this very second and the day the Antichrist commits the sit-in the temple act of 2Thessalonians2:4, known as the transgression of desolation in Daniel 8:13.

To show on the chart, I will have to add the ToD act and the resurrection/rapture event window. Here it is...

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Thanks for the reply DG :)
Yes, could be the very next second >> "the blessed hoped"
2 Thess 2:4 - happy to listen to your reasons why.
2 Thess 2:2 "day of Christ" do you believe that is same event as in 1 Thess 4:17, 1 Cor 15:52 ?

 

[Davy]

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Your chart still... has Jesus' future coming in the wrong place.

Per Bible Scripture about Jesus' future return and gathering of His Church on the "day of the Lord", that means at the 'end'... of the 7 years period, and at the end... of the latter 1260 days half.

[.............................7 years (2 ea. 1260 day periods)............................]
[........1260 days........................[AOD]..............1260 days......................]..2nd coming][1290 days][1335 days]

Thus the 1290 days and 1335 days happen only... after the END of the whole 7 years period. Any idea other idea than this causes conflict with the rest of the Book of Daniel, the OT prophets, and Revelation, and especially the fact that Jesus directly revealed His coming to gather His saints will be AFTER the tribulation, per Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27.

 

[rvmb]

Your chart still... has Jesus' future coming in the wrong place.

Per Bible Scripture about Jesus' future return and gathering of His Church on the "day of the Lord", that means at the 'end'... of the 7 years period, and at the end... of the latter 1260 days half.

[.............................7 years (2 ea. 1260 day periods)............................]
[........1260 days........................[AOD]..............1260 days......................]..2nd coming][1290 days][1335 days]

Thus the 1290 days and 1335 days happen only... after the END of the whole 7 years period. Any idea other idea than this causes conflict with the rest of the Book of Daniel, the OT prophets, and Revelation, and especially the fact that Jesus directly revealed His coming to gather His saints will be AFTER the tribulation, per Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings Douggg and others,

There are two passages in the bible that have the one thousand two hundred and threescore days (1260 days) in the text.
Revelation 11:3 and Revelation 12:6. Both of those will be in the first half of the 7 years.

I consider the 1260, 1290 and 1335 represent years, not days, similar to the 1260 of Daniel 7 and the 2300 of Daniel 8 which also represent years.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Douggg]

Thanks for the reply DG :)
Yes, could be the very next second >> "the blessed hoped"
2 Thess 2:4 - happy to listen to your reasons why.
2 Thess 2:2 "day of Christ" do you believe that is same event as in 1 Thess 4:17, 1 Cor 15:52 ?

The reason for the resurrection/rapture event to take place before the 2Thessalonains2:4 sit in by the Antichrist is because that action of his will trigger the day of Christ, who is our Lord, so the day of Lord.

What we read in 1Thessalonians5:2-3, that the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night would come. The unsaved world will be caught unawares, and they will be saying peace and safety, when they will be plunged into a time of destruction..

But not Christians, as we are aware that day is coming and will take the unsaved world by surprise. What we are told to do in 1Thessalonians 5:8 is be vigilant, and maintain our hope of salvation, which includes the redemption of our bodies.

In 1Thessalonains5:9-11, is the resurrection/rapture event, that by grace Christians will not be appointed to the time God's wrath when the Antichrist does his audacious act of claiming to have achieved God-hood, when he sits in the temple,

The resurrection/rapture is 1Thessalonians5:10.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

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Yes, I believe the resurrection/rapture is the same event of 1Corinthians15:52.

Some believers place the rapture/resurrection to take place with the 7th trumpet in Revelation, thinking that is what is mean by "at the last trumpet" in 1Corinthians15:52.

I personally do not. I think is has to do with 1Thessalonians4:16, the trump of God, a series of trumpet blasts, as Jesus comes forth from heaven to circumnavigate the earth resurrecting the dead in Christ and translating the living in Christ.