ARE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS FOR US?

[David in NJ]

[Rom 3:25 KJV] "Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"
[Rom 3:26 KJV] "To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus."

Those scriptures confirm to us His Blood and Righteousness as that which removes our sins = AMEN

This scripture is more specific to the action of faith required from God to us = Philippians 2:5-11

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[David in NJ]

Not to mention, I kind of doubt the thief on the cross was baptized, and Jesus said He would be with Him in paradise.

@Doug
JTB had the baptism of repentance. Israel was given the gospel first through Christ. They rejected Him. He then went to the Gentiles (Nations) to prompt jealousy of them. Gentiles are grafted into the VERY same tree that the Jews are...only Jews are the original branches. Many Jews were saved but, the bulk of them still follow the OT laws thinking they can follow them (which they can't) and be saved by following the laws. Only Jesus is given as the means to The Father and salvation period. Keeping laws did not cut it with the Jews, how can we expect to follow them perfectly? If we follow the 1st two commandments, the rest of them (the 10) will follow naturally. It the law could be followed and we are saved by that, Jesus died for nothing. Hope this is making sense.

Peace brother!

i believe the Roman Catholic Church is deeply concerned that the theif on the cross next to JESUS was not water baptized!!!

GOOD NEWS = the LORD Jesus Christ was not concerned in the least!!!

 

[Nancy]

i believe the Roman Catholic Church is deeply concerned that the theif on the cross next to JESUS was not water baptized!!!

GOOD NEWS = the LORD Jesus Christ was not!!!

Goodness! Like He needed repentance lol. He allowed JTB to baptize Him as I think it was showing an example? He obviously did not need to repent of a thing.

 

[David in NJ]

Goodness! Like He needed repentance lol. He allowed JTB to baptize Him as I think it was showing an example? He obviously did not need to repent of a thing.

Well, my Dear Sister in Grace and Truth = in fact the thief did need repentance and it happened right there next to Christ

Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, “If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us.”

But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation?
And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.”
Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”

And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

 

[Nancy]

Well, my Dear Sister in Grace and Truth = in fact the thief did need repentance and it happened right there next to Christ

Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, “If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us.”

But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation?
And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.”
Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”

And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

Amen! I often wonder if the comma should be after "today"...?

 

[David in NJ]

Amen! I often wonder if the comma should be after "today"...?

no worry, all that is a little dim now will be BRIGHT as DAY when we SEE HIM = Face to face

 

[shepherdsword]

The gospel they preached was the gospel of the kingdom........................[Mat 24:14 KJV] "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
Where in scripture did they go to the nations

When they went to the gentiles they went to the nations. Peter and Paul died in Rome, the rest of the apostles all went to the nations(gentiles) They all preached the same gospel.

Peter and Paul met and calibrated on the gospel:

Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

Paul preached the faith he once destroyed, the gospel that Peter taught:

Gal 1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.

 

[shepherdsword]

[Jhn 3:18 KJV] "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
[Mar 16:17 KJV] "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;"
[Jhn 1:12 KJV] "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:"
[Jhn 20:31 KJV] "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
[1Jo 3:23 KJV] "And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment."
[1Jo 5:13 KJV] "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

All these verses say to be saved you had to believe on the name of Jesus, the cross for salvation was not being preached yet. Scripture plainly says this

You misunderstand. To believe in Jesus is to believe in his death and resurrection.

Lk 24:44-48
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.

 

[Doug]

Not to mention, I kind of doubt the thief on the cross was baptized, and Jesus said He would be with Him in paradise.

@Doug
JTB had the baptism of repentance. Israel was given the gospel first through Christ. They rejected Him. He then went to the Gentiles (Nations) to prompt jealousy of them. Gentiles are grafted into the VERY same tree that the Jews are...only Jews are the original branches. Many Jews were saved but, the bulk of them still follow the OT laws thinking they can follow them (which they can't) and be saved by following the laws. Only Jesus is given as the means to The Father and salvation period. Keeping laws did not cut it with the Jews, how can we expect to follow them perfectly? If we follow the 1st two commandments, the rest of them (the 10) will follow naturally. It the law could be followed and we are saved by that, Jesus died for nothing. Hope this is making sense.

Peace brother!

Gentiles are grafted into the VERY same tree that the Jews are...only Jews are the original branches

The Gentiles that believed the preaching of Peter were grafted into the tree they are members of the believing remnant of Israel and arent Gentiles in the body of Christ

 

[Doug]

When they went to the gentiles they went to the nations. Peter and Paul died in Rome, the rest of the apostles all went to the nations(gentiles) They all preached the same gospel.

Peter and Paul met and calibrated on the gospel:

Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

Paul preached the faith he once destroyed, the gospel that Peter taught:

Gal 1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.

Peter and Paul died in Rome, the rest of the apostles all went to the nations(gentiles) They all preached the same gospel.

There isnt any verse to substantiate these claims. This is religious tradition

Peter and Paul met and calibrated on the gospel:

Again no scripture to assert this

Paul preached the faith he once destroyed, the gospel that Peter taught:

Paul didnt preach the same gospel. Peter didnt preach the death and resurrection for the salvation of all. In Galatians he went to the apostles to communicate the gospel he preached.........[Gal 2:2 KJV] "And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain."......take note in this verse Paul says that gospel which I preach

 

[Doug]

You misunderstand. To believe in Jesus is to believe in his death and resurrection.

Lk 24:44-48
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.

For us it is to believe in his death and resurrection, but it was not so for Israel.
Take note remission of sins IN HIS NAME
Israel had to believe in his name that he was Christ the Son of God..................[Jhn 20:31 KJV] "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."

 

[JLB]

There isnt any verse to substantiate these claims. This is religious tradition

Again no scripture to assert this

Paul didnt preach the same gospel. Peter didnt preach the death and resurrection for the salvation of all. In Galatians he went to the apostles to communicate the gospel he preached.........[Gal 2:2 KJV] "And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain."......take note in this verse Paul says that gospel which I preach

There is one Gospel.

The Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians 1:8


Repent is the Command of the Gospel.

Paul preached the same Gospel as Jesus.

So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ “Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance.
Acts 26:15-20

 

[Doug]

There is one Gospel.

The Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians 1:8


Repent is the Command of the Gospel.

Paul preached the same Gospel as Jesus.

So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ “Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance.
Acts 26:15-20

There is one Gospel.

i take scripture for what it says and its obvious they preached different gospels

‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.

Paul persecuted the believing remnant of Israel who believed only that Jesus was Christ the Son of God

which I will yet reveal to you.

Christ revealed to Paul the gospel he preached which is our gospel

and then to the Gentiles,

Paul was apostle to the Gentiles

 

[JLB]

take scripture for what it says and its obvious they preached different gospels

If you take scripture for what it says then you know from the scripture I gave you that Paul preached the Gospel Jesus Christ sent him to preach.

The gospel of Jesus Christ.

Read the red letters.

Read Paul’s response.

So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ “Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance.
Acts 26:15-20

 

[quietthinker]

[Exodus 34:27-28 KJV] 27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. 28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

The ten commandments are the words of the covenant.

The covenant was made with Moses and Israel.

[Deu 4:13-14 KJV] 13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, [even] ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. 14 And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.

The ten commandments of the covenant would be part of the law given to Israel to obey.

We are not under the covenant and are not commanded to keep the ten commandments.

Paul did relay the essence of the ten commandments, with the exception of the sabbath, in his epistles.

PAUL UPHELD THE TEN COMMANDMENTS​

In Paul we find our ten commandments to obey.

If the covenant is or was only for ethnic Israel does that mean the gentiles have permission to be lawless?

 

[Doug]

If you take scripture for what it says then you know from the scripture I gave you that Paul preached the Gospel Jesus Christ sent him to preach.

The gospel of Jesus Christ.

Read the red letters.

Read Paul’s response.

So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ “Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance.
Acts 26:15-20

Paul's gospel is the only gospel preached for us to believe. There was a different gospel before Paul's preached by Jesus and the apostles. Jesus was forming his church to reconcile the earth they had to believe the gospel of the kingdom and that he was Christ the Son of God. Israel rejected him and the kingdom so salvation went to the Gentiles, Pauls gospel was to form the body of Christ made up of Jew and Gentile to reconcile the heavens

 

[JLB]

Paul's gospel is the only gospel preached for us to believe. There was a different gospel before Paul's preached by Jesus and the apostles. Jesus was forming his church to reconcile the earth they had to believe the gospel of the kingdom and that he was Christ the Son of God. Israel rejected him and the kingdom so salvation went to the Gentiles, Pauls gospel was to form the body of Christ made up of Jew and Gentile to reconcile the heavens

Paul preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ; the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.

The same Gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached.

Repent.

Read what Jesus sent Paul to preach.


So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ “Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:15-20


Read Paul’s response.


Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance.



Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38


Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.” Mark 1:14-15



And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:14


Notice the connection between the Gospel of the kingdom Jesus preached and the gospel that will be preached in the last days ?


The same Gospel Jesus preached is what we are to preach today.

One Gospel - One Lord

 

[Doug]

If the covenant is or was only for ethnic Israel does that mean the gentiles have permission to be lawless?

[Rom 2:14 KJV] "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:"
[Rom 2:15 KJV] "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)"

 

[Doug]

Paul preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ; the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.

The same Gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached.

Repent.

Read what Jesus sent Paul to preach.


So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ “Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:15-20


Read Paul’s response.


Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance.

Jesus preached the kingdom was at hand. The kingdom on earth in which Christ and the believing remnant of Israel will reign for a thousand years. The apostles were looking for the restoration of the Israel's earthly kingdom.........[Act 1:6 KJV] "When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?"

Paul didnt preach the earthly kingdom. The kingdom of God is used in regard to God's kingdom including heaven and earth

 

[One 2 question]

[Rom 2:14 KJV] "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:"
[Rom 2:15 KJV] "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)"

So the Children of Israel have both, the law and do by nature the things contained in the law?

Then for them to go against the law must've been extra challenging hey.

Like when God gave the 10 commandments, written by His finger. Eg. Do not kill. Which was just confirming what they did by nature anyway. They didn't kill eachother.

But how conflicted Joshua and Caleb must've been when God told them to kill. Everything must've been crying out, No, this is not right. This is not natural. It goes against my nature AND what was written.

Possibly a lot of discussion before making the decision to go against the past written word of God (given 40 years earlier) to obey the current voice of God of kill every man, woman, child and animal in Jericho.