This is every former believer and those who find the bible troubling because of what it teaches. Everyone who calls themselves a good person but doesnt submit to Jesus. I believe is in this category.
What makes a doctrine false?
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Hiddenthings
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The dividing is being done it's your resistance to its entrance which is the issue.
And entrance “‘Shall be ministered’ from the Greek epichōrgeō, meaning ‘to furnish abundantly.’
The same word is translated as ‘add’ in verse 5. Peter’s teaching is clear: if we give generously, God will do the same. The Revised Version renders it: ‘For thus shall be richly supplied unto you the entrance…’ In other words, if we diligently cultivate the virtues mentioned earlier, God will respond generously, in proportion to the effort we have invested (cf. Luke 19:12–19).”
Applying the principle above, when I asked you to follow the Word, you resisted and chose to go off on your own wayward path.
Sad you couldn't even open the Bible and take a look.
""Sad you couldn't even open the Bible and take a look.""
What part of Acts 9:10-15, Acts 15:6-25, Gal 2:7-9, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16 don't you agree with ?
St. SteVen said:
6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)
What makes a doctrine false? If you say...
It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)
What does that mean?
You are only comfortable with doctrines you are familiar with.
If it makes you uncomfortable, then it must be wrong.
Is that really the way to evaluate a doctrine?
6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)
That wasn't my point.
What makes a doctrine false? If you say...
It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)
What does that mean?
You are only comfortable with doctrines you are familiar with.
If it makes you uncomfortable, then it must be wrong.
Is that really the way to evaluate a doctrine?
Hiddenthings
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Was my question too hard ?
If none, then say so.
""What part of Acts 9:10-15, Acts 15:6-25, Gal 2:7-9, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16 don't you agree with ?""
Hiddenthings
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I'm not sure how blunt you are but you responded to a post adressed to St SteVen and failed to answer the questions
What is needed to remain in this saved state?
Who does Peter define as unsaved?
Then you thought yourself clever to divert the subject away from 2 Peter 1
If you can’t read the post you’re replying to and address the questions it raises, why should I take your responses seriously?
If you are blind, what can you possibly show me?
""Then you thought yourself clever to divert the subject away from 2 Peter 1""
Scripture teaches that Peter has a role & authority to a different age & audience than Paul
Paul teaches how believers today enter eternal life & not Peter.
If you bothered to read the verses I quoted, you too might become "clever" :)
Hiddenthings
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This is foolish nonsense and, in your pride, and arrogance you still cannot enter 2 Peter 1. You are a self-fulfilling prophecy!
The question now is what are you?
Well ironically Peter teaches you....
“‘He that lack's these things is blind’
from the Greek tup
s, meaning literally ‘smoky, misty, darkened’ (Rev. 3:17, where the same word is used). Such a person’s vision is clouded; he is short-sighted and cannot perceive the grand purpose before him, nor understand the significance of knowing God. He questions the need to study the Scriptures and begins to reason from a purely worldly perspective. Consequently, he cannot see ahead, for ‘where there is no vision, the people perish’ (Prov. 29:18).”Maybe you are like Agrippa in Acts 26:18? or are you blinded by the god of this world in 2 Corinthians 4:4?
The fact you cannot discern the teaching of Peter or Paul in these matters is sufficient for me to know you are without excuse!
Hiddenthings
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@St. SteVen
2 Peter 1:9 “For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins.”
So here is someone who shows no deliberate effort to cultivate the ‘new man,’ when the Word is set aside and ignored, a person soon forgets the privileged position they have in Christ. They forget that their past sins were ‘cleansed’ through baptism and quickly fall back into worldly ways, succumbing to the moral and spiritual corruption that surrounds them.
This person is dead to Christ! As is the same for the person who preaches falsehood and offends one of his little ones.
2 Peter 1:9 “For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins.”
So here is someone who shows no deliberate effort to cultivate the ‘new man,’ when the Word is set aside and ignored, a person soon forgets the privileged position they have in Christ. They forget that their past sins were ‘cleansed’ through baptism and quickly fall back into worldly ways, succumbing to the moral and spiritual corruption that surrounds them.
This person is dead to Christ! As is the same for the person who preaches falsehood and offends one of his little ones.
""This is foolish nonsense and, in your pride, and arrogance you still cannot enter 2 Peter 1.""This is foolish nonsense and, in your pride, and arrogance you still cannot enter 2 Peter 1. You are a self-fulfilling prophecy!
The question now is what are you?
Well ironically Peter teaches you....
“‘He that lack's these things is blind’
from the Greek tup
Maybe you are like Agrippa in Acts 26:18? or are you blinded by the god of this world in 2 Corinthians 4:4?
The fact you cannot discern the teaching of Peter or Paul in these matters is sufficient for me to know you are without excuse!
What was that that Peter taught in Acts 15:6-25 & Gal 2:7-9 ?
Hiddenthings
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Is it a habit of yours to ignore the content of peoples posts and push your own wheelbarrow? I'll do a search of your content to see if this ignorance is perpetuated. Leave it with me!""This is foolish nonsense and, in your pride, and arrogance you still cannot enter 2 Peter 1.""
What was that that Peter taught in Acts 15:6-25 & Gal 2:7-9 ?
I push the Scripture 'wheelbarrow' that teaches how believers today enter eternal life tomorrow which you obviously aren't concerned about.
Hiddenthings
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Interestingly, that was never the focus of the discussion. We were examining how people remain and abide in Christ compared to those who do not. You also implied that Peter and Paul were in disagreement and that Peter’s guidance applied only to Jews, which is clearly not the case.
You have only displayed to me your blindness and even that theme is unknown to you.
What more can be done?
Hiddenthings
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@St. SteVen @quietthinker
Peter also provides further insight into those (wells without water) who have taken on the name of Christ only to fall away.
He states, “‘The latter end is worse’ The final state of a rebellious is far more serious for two reasons: he becomes hardened in sin, and judgment awaits him. It is much harder to restore someone who has turned away from the true Gospel than to convince someone who has simply lived in ignorance of it. Jesus made this clear in his parable of the unclean spirit (Matt. 12:43–45), showing that a merely negative response to evil does not produce righteousness. Error must not only be rejected, but truth must be embraced; sin must not only be suppressed, but righteousness must be practiced.
This begins by filling the mind with knowledge of the true Gospel and striving to live according to the way of life it reveals. Without this, a person can easily become hopelessly “entangled and overcome” by the very sins from which he once sought to escape. Consequently, his end will be “worse than the beginning,” as Peter suggests, for he must face the Judgment Seat of Christ to reap the consequences of his choices (Gal 6:7–8).
Paul @rvmb similarly warned: ‘Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men…’ (2 Cor. 5:10–11; Heb. 2:3; 10:29). We cannot take the things of Yahweh lightly.
Ignorant men know not the terror of the Lord because they preach a message contrary to it.
Are you such men?
Peter also provides further insight into those (wells without water) who have taken on the name of Christ only to fall away.
He states, “‘The latter end is worse’ The final state of a rebellious is far more serious for two reasons: he becomes hardened in sin, and judgment awaits him. It is much harder to restore someone who has turned away from the true Gospel than to convince someone who has simply lived in ignorance of it. Jesus made this clear in his parable of the unclean spirit (Matt. 12:43–45), showing that a merely negative response to evil does not produce righteousness. Error must not only be rejected, but truth must be embraced; sin must not only be suppressed, but righteousness must be practiced.
This begins by filling the mind with knowledge of the true Gospel and striving to live according to the way of life it reveals. Without this, a person can easily become hopelessly “entangled and overcome” by the very sins from which he once sought to escape. Consequently, his end will be “worse than the beginning,” as Peter suggests, for he must face the Judgment Seat of Christ to reap the consequences of his choices (Gal 6:7–8).
Paul @rvmb similarly warned: ‘Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men…’ (2 Cor. 5:10–11; Heb. 2:3; 10:29). We cannot take the things of Yahweh lightly.
Ignorant men know not the terror of the Lord because they preach a message contrary to it.
Are you such men?
""We were examining how people remain and abide in Christ""
Paul covers that teaching for believers today.
Squeezing the teachings of Peter into Pauls unique audience & age leads to confusion
Don't forget, the 12 taught Paul nothing, in fact it was vice-a-versa.
Hiddenthings
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""Who claimed Paul was taught by the 12?""
Did I claim you did ? now who's talking to themselves ??
Pushback is what we get from those who can't or don't accept that Paul (not the 12) teach eternal life entry requirements today.
You're pushing 'hidden', why is that, why don't you accept the unique Christ given authority that Paul has to teach justification to believers today ?
Hiddenthings
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Fully accept it as I do the authority given to the Apostle Peter and the Apostle John. #555 still stands as truth.
Hiddenthings
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Well, if you didn’t address the actual topic and instead introduced something outside the context of this discussion, I can only conclude that you are talking to yourself.
#555 gives the answer, and both Peter and Paul (and I) are in agreement on it.
It seems you cannot be persuaded by either of them.
