What makes a doctrine false?

[St. SteVen]

What makes a doctrine false?

Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks.

1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response)

2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't looked into it)

3. Doesn't align with your church's doctrine (your church would say it is false)

4. Doesn't align with your personal doctrine (your views differ)

5. YOUR "Bible" says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)

6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)

7. Everyone knows it's false. (except those who believe it)

 

[Stumpmaster]

What makes a doctrine false?

Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks.

1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response)

2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't looked into it)

3. Doesn't align with your church's doctrine (your church would say it is false)

4. Doesn't align with your personal doctrine (your views differ)

5. Your Bible says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)

6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)

7. Everyone knows it's false. (except those who believe it)

What about none of the above?
You could also rate doctrines as
1. Extremely False
2. Somewhat False
3. Possibly False
4. Marginally False
5. Not at all False

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Number 5.

5. Your Bible says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)

(Although “The Bible” is preferred over “Your Bible”)

 

[brightfame52]

Any Doctrines is false that conditions Salvation, any part of it on man, his doings. That takes away from the Saving Efficacy of the Person and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ. If a doctrine has men and women going to hell, dying in their sins and unbelief, for whom Christ died and rose again, that's a false doctrine !

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Any Doctrines is false that conditions Salvation, any part of it on man, his doings.

“…you, who were once alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy and without blemish, and without charge in His sight, if indeed you continue in the faith grounded and settled, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel…” (Colossians 1:21-23)

If a doctrine has men and women going to hell, dying in their sins and unbelief, for whom Christ died and rose again, that's a false doctrine !

“…if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” (John 8:24)

 

[Windmillcharge]

None of those

What makes a doctrine false?

Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks.

1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response)

2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't looked into it)

3. Doesn't align with your church's doctrine (your church would say it is false)

4. Doesn't align with your personal doctrine (your views differ)

5. Your Bible says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)

6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)

7. Everyone knows it's false. (except those who believe it)

None of these.

What makes a doctrine false is that either it contradicts what the bible says, ( arguments about which version are irrelevant. )
Or that it is a false interpretation of what the Bible says.
Examples, evolution contradicts the plain teaching that Godcreated over six days.
False interpretation, health, wealth and prosperity teaching.

Not everyone studies s ripture and other relions/cults teaching and depend on being taught by there minister.
That said every Christion should be able to give a rational explanation for their faith.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

false interpretation of what the Bible says.

 

[Windmillcharge]

You think that doesn't happen, or that people are mislead by the prosperity gospel, or y cults etc etc etc.

 

[brightfame52]

Michiah-Imla​

…you, who were once alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy and without blemish, and without charge in His sight, if indeed you continue in the faith grounded and settled, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel…” (Colossians 1:21-23)

Okay Great Passage

…if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” (John 8:24)

Another Great verse.

So again:

Any Doctrines is false that conditions Salvation, any part of it on man, his doings. That takes away from the Saving Efficacy of the Person and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ. If a doctrine has men and women going to hell, dying in their sins and unbelief, for whom Christ died and rose again, that's a false doctrine !

 

[Episkopos]

Michiah-Imla​

Okay Great Passage



Another Great verse.

So again:

Any Doctrines is false that conditions Salvation, any part of it on man, his doings. That takes away from the Saving Efficacy of the Person and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ. If a doctrine has men and women going to hell, dying in their sins and unbelief, for whom Christ died and rose again, that's a false doctrine !

Whose efficacy and to what end? What I see you saying is "Anything that takes away from the saving efficacy of Jesus to save ME is a false doctrine. That would be your baseline to judge EVERYTHING by. (So many here do that very thing). So then if Jesus tells you...you are "poor, naked, wretched, and blind"...then that goes against your primary doctrinal premise..therefore you will reject those saving words of Jesus because of it.

Or am I getting you wrong? Are you are willing to be rebuked, chastened, and even despair of the salvation provision of God...or not? Do you have faith or religious certainty?

Is this about Jesus Christ...or you?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

if indeed you continue in the faith grounded and settled, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel…” (Colossians 1:21-23)

Okay Great Passage

So again:

Any Doctrines is false that conditions Salvation, any part of it on man, his doings.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

a false interpretation of what the Bible says.

You think that doesn't happen, or that people are mislead by the prosperity gospel, or y cults etc etc etc.

I tire of the word usage “interpretation” around here…

Men either obey the scriptures, or ignore and twist them.

That’s all.

 

[QuantumBit]

What makes a doctrine false?

Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks.

1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response)

2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't looked into it)

3. Doesn't align with your church's doctrine (your church would say it is false)

4. Doesn't align with your personal doctrine (your views differ)

5. Your Bible says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)

6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)

7. Everyone knows it's false. (except those who believe it)

Based on about 98% of the posts I have seen on this forum so far, the answer would be all of the above.

 

[Always Believing]

What makes a doctrine false?



5. Your Bible says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)

The Bible rarely identifies certain heresies, such as Jesus Christ is not come in the flesh, the resurrection is passed, Etc...

The main rule for identifying false teaching is 2 Peter 1:20.

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Simply put, we know a personal opinion, when Scripture does not plainly say it. However, it does not become false teaching, until that person tries to teach it as doctrine of Christ, for all Christians to believe and obey.

The Jews weren't wrong for having personal traditions to follow within the law of Moses. They went wrong when they began teaching those traditions as equal to, or even more important than the law of Moses.

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

The same is done with Christians, that promote their personal ideas and rules as doctrine of Christ.

 

[Always Believing]

What about none of the above?
You could also rate doctrines as
1. Extremely False
2. Somewhat False
3. Possibly False
4. Marginally False
5. Not at all False

I agree with this. There are some things we like to believe, and have for personal rules, that are 'benign', since they do not require compliance by other Christians.

I would say the extremes are zealots, that make what Jesus and Paul calls commandments of men taught for doctrine of God. That is when we make our personal rules in life, to be law for all other Christians to obey.

That's where real division enters into the body of Christ, so that the devil destroys the unity of the body from within.

Eamples: Sabbath commanding. Zero-tolerance rules for meats, drinks, and marriage. Acts 2:38 baptism liturgy. Communion sacrament. Made-up carnal ordinances for outward appearance (Holiness rules). Etc...

These are all rules and commandments made up by men, that have no specific Scriptural confirmation. The body of Christ is then split between those who obey them, and those that do not. The splits are not benign, but often followed with animosity against all the other 'disobedient'.

Ex: in matters of meats and drinks, some choose to partake, and others do not. Paul says none are worse nor better than the others by our free choices. But the zealots go on to make their personal choices to be law, that all other Christians must choose the same, or else...

That's when Christian zealots make meat-eaters, and wine-drinkers to be called transgressors and sinners.

That's how the Jews were able to condemn the God of Israel of being a transgressor of their traditions, as though the Son of man was violating the law and commandment of God.

Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?

Along the way in the OT, some self-important Rabbi decided to improve on the Sabbath commandment not to do work, and declared it was work to rub corn together to eat. In effect, the poor were forbidden to eat on the Sabbath.

 

[Jim B]

I tire of the word usage “interpretation” around here…

Men either obey the scriptures, or ignore and twist them.

That’s all.

a) Christians are not under the law.
b) What is wrong with "interpretation"? Didn't God give people the ability to reason?

“Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool." Isaiah 1:18

 

[Jim B]

The Bible rarely identifies certain heresies, such as Jesus Christ is not come in the flesh, the resurrection is passed, Etc...

The main rule for identifying false teaching is 2 Peter 1:20.

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Simply put, we know a personal opinion, when Scripture does not plainly say it. However, it does not become false teaching, until that person tries to teach it as doctrine of Christ, for all Christians to believe and obey.

The Jews weren't wrong for having personal traditions to follow within the law of Moses. They went wrong when they began teaching those traditions as equal to, or even more important than the law of Moses.

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

The same is done with Christians, that promote their personal ideas and rules as doctrine of Christ.

Unlike yourself, of course. LOL!

The main rule for identifying false teaching is 2 Peter 1:20.

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Here is that verse in context: "We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

The verse you cited is referring to a private interpretation of written prophecy. What it means is that the Biblical prophets were writing as God inspired them; they were not writing their own thoughts.

You (mis)apply this to Christians doing the same thing, promoting their personal ideas and rules as doctrine of Christ. That is, of course, misinterpretation of God's written word to justify your false doctrine.

 

[marks]

The Bible rarely identifies certain heresies, such as Jesus Christ is not come in the flesh, the resurrection is passed, Etc...

The main rule for identifying false teaching is 2 Peter 1:20.

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Simply put, we know a personal opinion, when Scripture does not plainly say it. However, it does not become false teaching, until that person tries to teach it as doctrine of Christ, for all Christians to believe and obey.

The Jews weren't wrong for having personal traditions to follow within the law of Moses. They went wrong when they began teaching those traditions as equal to, or even more important than the law of Moses.

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

The same is done with Christians, that promote their personal ideas and rules as doctrine of Christ.

I agree with you, that we can get into opinions not expicitly taught in Scripture, and we need to keep clear in our minds that some of what we think are our own opinions.

One thing to mention on the passage in Peter,

2 Peter 1:19-21 KJV
19) We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

This verse is about the origin of prophecy. Here is the passage from Young's,

2 Peter 1:20-21 YLT
20) this first knowing, that no prophecy of the Writing doth come of private exposition,
21) for not by will of man did ever prophecy come, but by the Holy Spirit borne on holy men of God spake.

Much love!

 

[MatthewG]

Whenever i deem is false.


I’m just kidding the issue is not when the doctor is false, lying to you about back pain.

It’s whenever your doctrine causes you not to love is the issue.

 

[Windmillcharge]

I tire of the word usage “interpretation” around here…

Men either obey the scriptures, or ignore and twist them.

that is just another way of saying interpretation, as even a gross distortion of scripture is a form of interpretation.