Just a heads up, but I'm not in various threads, I'm in this one responding to your posts here.
I understand, but certain points you have brought up are just too lengthy to answer when combined with everything else in your previous post, (which I was already forced to divide into two posts because the first attempt was more than ten thousand characters). So then, I will at least use the place where I made the statement, which you have quoted, as a single example of why it was and is relative and important.
Isaiah (45:23) says that every knee will bow to YHWH; Paul says that every knee will bow at the name of Jesus (Philippians 2:10–11). Paul doesn’t explain this away, and he doesn’t apologize for it. Either he’s committing blasphemy, or Jesus is YHWH, Scripture doesn’t leave room for a third option.
Most all of your responses have been answered on this board in various threads listed in my signature.
In Isaiah 45:23 Paul is quoting from the LXX which says no such thing: for the LXX rightly divides the text at the waw in the supposed Tetragrammaton in that situation. The original Ashuri text was not separated except by the waw, and it read very similarly to the ancient Greek Uncial texts in a form of
scriptio continua. Those who rendered the Hebrew text of that time into Greek, (circa 285BC), did not have a Hebrew text with spaces in it for separation: the beginning of that type of separation came afterwards, and the beginnings thereof may be seen in texts and fragments from the DSS, (the Pharisee separation of the text). In other words there is yet another critical reason why the N/T authors quoted the LXX most often, and that is because they knew all too well what the Pharisee separation of the text was all about and did not agree with it.
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In the two quotes to follow, Paul is quoting not from the Hebrew text but from the OG-LXX, (Old Greek Septuagint). There are many places in the OG LXX where the Tetragrammaton is actually divided at the waw, producing Yah, which would have appeared that way in the Paleo Hebrew text but do not now appear that way in the M/T, which is not likely due to anything nefarious, but because of the problem of separating the Ashuri text, (having a waw separator and written in a semi-scriptio continua form like the older Paleo text), if perhaps you no longer had the Paleo text to guide you in that separation process. Another thing which is critical to understand is that Yah may be rendered as either Kurios or Theos in the LXX, and here Yah is rendered as Theos, and this is really only evident because we have now both the LXX and the Hebrew texts to investigate and compare, to get an idea of what has happened.
Philippians 2:9-11
9 Wherefore also Elohim highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name:
[that is named, Eph 1:21]
10 that in the name of
Ι̅Η every knee should bow, of
things in heaven and
things on earth and
things under the earth,
11 and that every tongue should confess that
Κ̅Ϲ Ι̅Η Χ̅Ρ, to the glory of Elohim the Father.
The above contains two portions from Yeshayah 45:23, (LXX), but they are not the larger precise quote: for he also quotes from this passage almost verbatim in Romans 14:11, where he likewise quotes from the OG LXX. Why is he not quoting from the Hebrew since he clearly knew Hebrew like the back of his hand, having formerly been a Pharisee the son of Pharisees? (moreover the Master spoke to him in Hebrew during the conversion vision near Damascus). After the Hebrew text was rendered into Greek, (beginning about circa 285BC), the Pharisees, about a hundred years later, began to separate the Hebrew text their own way, according to their understandings and doctrines regarding the scripture text.
This was a process that was not completely finalized until about 1000AD, and the beginning of this process can first be seen in scrolls and fragments discovered at Damascus-Qumran, (Qumran by the modern Arabic name Khirbet Qumran). It appears to me that Paul had realized that even in his day the Perushim were already beginning to subvert the Hebrew text: for they went against the precedent set by those who separated the text before them in order to render it into the Greek OG LXX. And we know that at the very least those who rendered the Torah portions of the LXX would have been Tzadokim, the order of the highest priestly line through the sons of Tzadok the Kohen, for no one but the Kohanim were allowed to copy Torah scrolls besides the Kohanim and Levim, (Priests and Levites), even down to the days wherein the LXX began to be translated. Howbeit, aside from all the arguments pertaining to such things, Paul quotes from the OG LXX, knowing Hebrew, which is significant in this much more critical instance than other passage quotes.
Romans 14:11
11 For it is written, As I live, says the LORD, (YHWH), every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess
by God.
Romans 14:11 (N/A, T/R, BYZ, W/H, all the same)
11 γεγραπται γαρ ζω εγω λεγει κυριος οτι εμοι καμψει παν γονυ και πασα γλωσσα εξομολογησεται
τω θεω
In the above, which is quoted from the OG LXX, the Tetragrammaton is divided in the middle, exactly where we read τω θεω, thus we see that the Kohen who rendered this text into the Greek OG LXX separated the text radically different than the Masoretes who came along much later: and herein Paul approves the separation of the text found in the OG LXX. And because we know that the Tetragrammaton is in the Hebrew text; one should therefore know and understand that Theo in this case cannot be Elohim, (God), and is surely therefore YH, (Yah).
Isaiah 45:23-25 OG LXX
23 κατ εμαυτου ομνυω η μην εξελευσεται εκ του στοματος μου δικαιοσυνη οι λογοι μου ουκ αποστραφησονται οτι εμοι καμψει παν γονυ και εξομολογησεται πασα γλωσσα
τω θεω
24 λεγων δικαιοσυνη και δοξα προς αυτον ηξουσιν και αισχυνθησονται παντες οι αφοριζοντες εαυτους
25 απο
κυριου δικαιωθησονται
και εν τω θεω ενδοξασθησονται [Hebrew reads hallu] παν το σπερμα των υιων ισραηλ
The answer using both the Hebrew and the OG LXX:
Yeshayah 45:23-25
[23] By Myself have I sworn, the righteous Word has gone forth from My mouth and shall not be turned back, that unto Me every knee shall bow: and every tongue shall surely confess by Yah unto Me, saying, He is my righteousness and strength!
[24] All those incensed against Him shall come and be ashamed: [25] by YHWH shall they be justified, and all the seed of Yisrael shall hallu-in-Yah!
If anyone will, follow the simple systematic logic in the following emphatic statements of the Meshiah, and there is a reward to come for doing so, (once the relative consequences to doctrine are understood and carried out in the faithful one). First off: Point #1 The term ho logos in John...
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