Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

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In your post that i responded to you excused/denied the REALITY of Matthew 19:28-30

The pattern of denying/excusing or just doubting clear Truth spoken by God is the framework by which all false doctrines are generated.

This is a prime example of a claim without explanation or evidence. What exactly do you mean that I “excused/denied the reality of Matthew 19:28-30”?



Secondly, the evidence is God words = for it is impossible for God to lie

If you perceive i am making a claim without evidence, just be specific and i will respond to your specific request = thank you

Or you could just make a claim with a provided explanation and/or evidence to support it, as this how a debate/discussion forum typically works.
 

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Yes he is he’s the destroyer from Exodus 12 before he was put into the a

The Destroyer is a separate angel, just as Michael, Gabriel are separate angels

Satan is a cherubim = the highest created angel of his type = Satan is NOT the Destroyer

When we believe every word of God without putting it in a religion blender = we SEE clearly
 

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  1. Satan is a spiritual being.
  2. Spiritual chains restraint spiritual beings in Scripture.
  3. Revelation is saturated in figurative language.
  4. There is NO other Scripture that corroborates the Premillennial interpretation of Revelation 20 that Satan will be bound for a time-span of 1000 years after the Second Advent then released for a "little season" to deceive the nations, and then destroyed.
  5. Scripture teaches that Satan has already fell from heaven and now present in the Abyss (John 12:31-33 and Revelation 12:9-13). Peter 2:4, Jude v 6 and Revelation 9:1-11 shows the demonic world in a current spiritually bound condition in the abyss.
  6. Matthew 12:22-29, Mark 3:11, 23-27, Luke 10:18-19, Luke 11:20-22, John 12:31-33 Colossians 2:13-15, Hebrews 2:14-15, I John 3:8, Revelation 9:1-11, Revelation 12:7-9 and Revelation 20:2 prove Satan was cast out, bound, defeated, incapacitated, divested of power, disarmed, brought to naught, undone, stripped and spiritually imprisoned through Christ's sinless life, atoning death and triumphant resurrection. Colossians 2:15 tells us: “having spoiled (or divested or disarmed) principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.”
  7. The binding of Satan has nothing to do with rendering Satan completely powerless, immobile or inoperative. It is rather to do with a restraint on his activities compared to what he was able to do in Old Testament. It is the limiting of his power, kingship and influence by His defeat 2000 years ago. He is like a dog on a chain. He is shackled. It describes the spoiling of the devil’s house, the destroying of his works, taking the power of death away from him, and as a result, it is the shining of a light on the darkened ignorant nations and the lifting of the deception blinding the Gentiles from embracing Christ.

The Light of Christ’s Gospel​

1 Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor [a]handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
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Who is the god of the world? Most say Satan.
If true, then Satan is still blinding the unbelieving in their minds so they can not see or perceive the light of the gospel of Christ.
Do you agree?

But for those whom He calls, God shines His light on them and into their hearts, and Satan can not prevent that.
Evidenced here


Christ the Power and Wisdom of God​

18 For the [g]message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the [h]disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a [i]stumbling block and to the [j]Greeks foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

Glory Only in the Lord​

26 For [k]you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many [l]noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the [m]base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— 31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”
 
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What the bible says is that satan deceives people on who exactly Jesus is
Marty, Marty. You can't make up what the Bible says by adding words that do not exist.

* In Genesis chapter 3, we read of how Satan appeared in the Garden of Eden and deceived mankind.
* Revelation 12:9 calls Satan "the great dragon" and "the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world."
* The reason given for Satan being bound in Revelation 20:1-3 is that he should deceive the nations no more until the thousand years have expired.

Show me the text in scripture that adds "on who Jesus is" to Revelation 20:1-3 and "therefore he was bound so that he could not deceive the nations on who Jesus is and thereby stop the spread of the gospel".


If Satan were able to deceive the nations on who Jesus is, no human being would be saved, and Jesus would not have stated that the criteria by which those who do not believe in Him will be judged, is this: "The light has come into the world but men loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil." (John 3:18-19).

The darkness originates in the lies of Satan the deceiver. You're doing what JW's and other cultists do - changing the words of scripture so as to uphold your own false and non-biblical doctrine. Don't mess like that with the Word of God brother.
 
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This is a prime example of a claim without explanation or evidence. What exactly do you mean that I “excused/denied the reality of Matthew 19:28-30”?





Or you could just make a claim with a provided explanation and/or evidence to support it, as this how a debate/discussion forum typically works.
More importantly, nothing in the immediate context of Matthew 19:28 requires that the “regeneration” refers to a 1,000-year period followed by Satan’s release.
Your own words
 
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The Destroyer is a separate angel, just as Michael, Gabriel are separate angels

Satan is a cherubim = the highest created angel of his type = Satan is NOT the Destroyer

When we believe every word of God without putting it in a religion blender = we SEE clearly
[is] Abaddon,
Ἀβαδδών (Abaddōn)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 3: Abaddon, Destroyer (i.e. Destroying Angel) or place of destruction (personified). Of Hebrew origin;
a destroying angel.
 
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Mixing truth with falsehood and personal opinions based on belief in untruths in one and the same post is what marks and identifies almost all of your posts, as you did again:

True:

[*]Satan is a spiritual being.
[*]Spiritual chains restraint spiritual beings in Scripture.
[*]Revelation is saturated in figurative language.

The above is true. The rest of what you say is based on your adding to scripture, changing what scripture states, and basically just corrupting of one verse after another:-

What you say below is false - based on personal opinion which is based in falsehood, which is based on personal/private interpretation of what is written and adding the same personal interpretation to scripture, as though your opinions and private interpretations have authority over the Word of God:

[*]Scripture teaches that Satan has already fell from heaven and now present in the Abyss (John 12:31-33 and Revelation 12:9-13). Peter 2:4, Jude v 6 and Revelation 9:1-11 shows the demonic world in a current spiritually bound condition in the abyss.

The truth:

1. Revelation 12 states only that Satan was cast out of heaven with his angels when Christ ascended and was cast to the earth, and then talks about him going to war first against the woman who had given birth to the Child, then against the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Neither of those entities Satan went to war against were, or are in the abyss.

This is followed by him giving the beast ascended out of the abyss his seat, his power, and great authority in Revelation 13

- and there are no chapter divisions between what is written in chapters 12 and 13 in the original text. They were added by a scholar many hundreds of years later.

Truth:

2. Nowhere in scripture does it state that Satan would be bound and thrown into the same abyss that the beast rose out of before the beast rose out of it.

3. What IS stated is that the beast that rose from out of the abyss that Satan gave power to, will be thrown alive with the false prophet into the lake of fire burning with brimstone

- which at the very least implies (without stating it) that Satan and the beast were not bound in the abyss at the same time, nor would they be thrown into the lake of fire at the same time - because the binding of Satan in the abyss is NOT something which has been mentioned in Revelation 12, as your assertion derived from your adding to and changing of what is written in Revelation 12 falsely claims.

None of the scriptures below point to Satan being thrown into the abyss at the time of the ascension of Christ. The assertion that they do is based once again on a private interpretation of what is written before adding that private interpretation to scripture, changing what scripture says. They're not even speaking about the same subject:

[*]Matthew 12:22-29, Mark 3:11, 23-27, Luke 10:18-19, Luke 11:20-22, John 12:31-33 Colossians 2:13-15, Hebrews 2:14-15, I John 3:8, Revelation 9:1-11, Revelation 12:7-9 and Revelation 20:2 prove Satan was cast out, bound, defeated, incapacitated, divested of power, disarmed, brought to naught, undone, stripped and spiritually imprisoned through Christ's sinless life, atoning death and triumphant resurrection. Colossians 2:15 tells us: “having spoiled (or divested or disarmed) principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.”

1. The angels who sinned whom Peter and Jude refer to as being in Tartarus had been there since the days of Noah. The context does not permit corrupting scripture by changing how long they had been in Tarrtaroo which is implied by the context of the passages.

Why do you mess with the Word of God like this in order to uphold your doctrines?

2. The texts talking about the destruction of Satan's works (his power over death) and Jesus casting demons out of a man are saying nothing about:

(a) A thousand years and a thousand-year reality that will be reversed at the close of the thousand years; and

(b) Satan's deception of the nations.

You have added a meaning to the texts that the texts do not either state or imply. Jesus was talking about His power to cast demons out of the man, and the fact that the Holy Spirit is infinitely more powerful than Satan. Nothing more.

None of the above scriptures are talking about Satan being thrown into the abyss at the time of the ascension of Christ, and your assertion that they are talking about Satan being bound in the abyss so that he is rendered unable to deceive the nations is a glaring betrayal of your own personal twisting and corruption of the scriptures in order to support your own false doctrine.

False (more private interpretation of the Word of God expressed below by you):

[*]The binding of Satan has nothing to do with rendering Satan completely powerless, immobile or inoperative.

False. The metaphors of a chain, of binding, of being thrown into an abyss and a seal set on him imply and are definitely meant to imply that Satan will be rendered completely powerless with respect to his deception of the nations.

Your entire thesis produced in support of Amil is based on a twisting and corruption of one passage and verse of scripture after another.

It's shameful - and your posts that you make in defense of your false doctrine are all equally shameful

- because your twisting and corruption of scripture proves that though JW doctrine and Amil doctrine are not the same set of false doctrines, yet the nature of both false doctrines is the same:

Both are produced by a twisting of, and corruption of the scriptures - through adding meaning that is neither stated nor implied by texts in scripture, or by taking away from the Word of God what the text IS saying (for example regarding Amillennialism's assertions and false claims regarding Revelation 20:1-3).

So because I know that debating with you and other Amillennialists over the scriptures that you have twisted and corrupted is doing what Jesus said we should not do (Matthew 7:6) because it's merely encouraging you guys to keep on twisting and corrupting the Word of God, and to blaspheme God for example by implying by your doctrine that Satan is "the opposite of God" and needed to be bound first in order for the gospel to spread - as though the power of God the Holy Spirit would somehow have been diminished had he not been bound in the abyss.

So I've answered you comprehensively now in this post regarding your twisting of the scriptures expressed once again in your post by yourself, and will not continue in this discussion with you about this.
 
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Marty, Marty. You can't make up what the Bible says by adding words that do not exist.

* In Genesis chapter 3, we read of how Satan appeared in the Garden of Eden and deceived mankind.
* Revelation 12:9 calls Satan "the great dragon" and "the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world."
* The reason given for Satan being bound in Revelation 20:1-3 is that he should deceive the nations no more until the thousand years have expired.

Show me the text in scripture that adds "on who Jesus is" to Revelation 20:1-3 and "therefore he was bound so that he could not deceive the nations on who Jesus is and thereby stop the spread of the gospel".


If Satan were able to deceive the nations on who Jesus is, no human being would be saved, and Jesus would not have stated that the criteria by which those who do not believe in Him will be judged, is this: "The light has come into the world but men loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil." (John 3:18-19).

The darkness originates in the lies of Satan the deceiver. You're doing what JW's and other cultists do - changing the words of scripture so as to uphold your own false and non-biblical doctrine. Don't mess like that with the Word of God brother.
I wasn’t quoting a scripture I was saying that satan does try to deceive people about who Jesus is which is scriptural

1 John 2
22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son
 

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Yes he is he’s the destroyer from Exodus 12 before he was put into the abyss
Trillions of angels were created by GOD = all with purpose as well as having differing ranks of authority

The "destroying angel" of Exodus ch12 is NOT Satan = crystal clear

Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”

But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.
If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?

Beginning in Revelation chapter 2, the LORD is very specific = Satan is free on earth to Rule

And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write,
‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword:
“I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is.
And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr,
who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.

In all of Scripture from Genesis to Revelation, Satan remains as "god of this world/Age" and "roams about seeking who he may devour"
Only when the LORD Returns, is Satan locked up = Gospel, 1st & 2nd Thess, Rev chapters 19-20
 
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Trillions of angels were created by GOD = all with purpose as well as having differing ranks of authority

The "destroying angel" of Exodus ch12 is NOT Satan = crystal clear

Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”

But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.
If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?

Beginning in Revelation chapter 2, the LORD is very specific = Satan is free on earth to Rule

And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write,
‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword:
“I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is.
And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr,
who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.

In all of Scripture from Genesis to Revelation, Satan remains as "god of this world/Age" and "roams about seeking who he may devour"
Only when the LORD Returns, is Satan locked up = Gospel, 1st & 2nd Thess, Rev chapters 19-20

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Regardless what this looks like, the devil casting some into prison, one thing is for certain, it is absurd that the devil would be doing this while he himself is in prison.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Either Revelation 2:10 is involving an era of time before satan gets cast into prison, or it's involving an era of time after he is loosed from his prison. Revelation 2:10 clearly isn't involving an era of time when satan himself is in prison. It doesn't matter whether satan's prison is literal or not. It is absurd that while satan himself is depicted as having been cast into prison, that he would then be casting others into another prison. I then wonder if Amils have Revelation 2:10 paralleling their millennium? Be pretty funny if they did.
 
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Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Regardless what this looks like, the devil casting some into prison, one thing is for certain, it is absurd that the devil would be doing this while he himself is in prison.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Either Revelation 2:10 is involving an era of time before satan gets cast into prison, or it's involving an era of time after he is loosed from his prison. Revelation 2:10 clearly isn't involving an era of time when satan himself is in prison. It doesn't matter whether satan's prison is literal or not. It is absurd that while satan himself is depicted as having been cast into prison, that he would then be casting others into another prison. I then wonder if Amils have Revelation 2:10 paralleling their millennium? Be pretty funny if they did.
Either Revelation 2:10 is involving an era of time before satan gets cast into prison, or it's involving an era of time after he is loosed from his prison.

the LORD JESUS did not leave us to guess which is true or false

How are you going to know which is true and that which is false and/or error???
 
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Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Regardless what this looks like, the devil casting some into prison, one thing is for certain, it is absurd that the devil would be doing this while he himself is in prison.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Either Revelation 2:10 is involving an era of time before satan gets cast into prison, or it's involving an era of time after he is loosed from his prison. Revelation 2:10 clearly isn't involving an era of time when satan himself is in prison. It doesn't matter whether satan's prison is literal or not. It is absurd that while satan himself is depicted as having been cast into prison, that he would then be casting others into another prison. I then wonder if Amils have Revelation 2:10 paralleling their millennium? Be pretty funny if they did.
Devil is under the control of the Father and also the Son, who has been perfected at His resurrection. Luke 13:32
Devil tried to tempt Christ, and failed.
Devil has failed and gone the way foretold of Him by the Father in the garden of Eden.
Devil is now under full submission to Christ.
The Father and the Son, and the Holy Spirit still permit evil, until the time of the restoration of all things. Acts 3:21, that new earth and new heaven.


13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified His Son Jesus, whom ye delivered up, and denied Him in the presence of Pilate when he was determined to let Him go.

14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you,

15 and killed the Prince of Life whom God hath raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses.

16 And His name, through faith in His name, hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know. Yea, the faith which is by Him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

17 “And now, brethren, I know that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.

18 But those things which God before had shown by the mouth of all His prophets, that Christ should suffer, He hath thus fulfilled.

19 Repent ye therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

20 Then He shall send Jesus Christ, who before was preached unto you,

21 whom Heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.

22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, ‘A Prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you from your brethren, like unto me; Him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever He shall say unto you.

23 And it shall come to pass that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be destroyed from among the people.’

24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those who follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

25 Ye are the children of the prophets and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, ‘And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.’

26 Unto you first, God, having raised up His Son Jesus, sent Him to bless you in turning every one of you away from his iniquities.”

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Luke 13:32
And He said unto them, “Go ye and tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out devils and I do cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.’

At the return of Christ who is perfect..
1 Corinthians 13:10
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

Hebrews 2:10
For it became Him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the Captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Hebrews 5
For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins;

2 who can have compassion on the ignorant and on those who are outside of the Way, since he himself is also encompassed by infirmity.

3 And by reason hereof, he ought, both for the people and also for himself, to make offering for sins.

4 And no man taketh this honor unto himself, except he that is called by God, as was Aaron.

5 So also Christ glorified not Himself to be made a high priest, but He that said unto Him, “Thou art My Son; today have I begotten Thee.”

6 And He saith also in another place, “Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.”

7 Christ, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto Him that was able to save Him from death, and was heard in that He feared,

8 though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered.

9 And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all those who obey Him,

10 being called by God as a high priest after the order of Melchizedek,

11 of whom we have many things to say, which are hard to utter seeing ye are dull of hearing.

12 For at the time when ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God, and have become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

13 For every one that useth milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.

14 But strong meat belongeth to those who are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
 

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I wasn’t quoting a scripture I was saying that satan does try to deceive people about who Jesus is which is scriptural

1 John 2
22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son
What does Revelation 20:3 say about what you say in the first line of your above post?
 
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Trillions of angels were created by GOD = all with purpose as well as having differing ranks of authority

The "destroying angel" of Exodus ch12 is NOT Satan = crystal clear

Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”

But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.
If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?

Beginning in Revelation chapter 2, the LORD is very specific = Satan is free on earth to Rule

And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write,
‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword:
“I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is.
And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr,
who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.

In all of Scripture from Genesis to Revelation, Satan remains as "god of this world/Age" and "roams about seeking who he may devour"
Only when the LORD Returns, is Satan locked up = Gospel, 1st & 2nd Thess, Rev chapters 19-20
Exactly. Jesus was not saying anything about a thousand years and the reversal of His actions for a brief period at the close of that thousand years.

Nor was He saying anything about that when He spoke about the destruction of Satan's works (i.e his power over death) which is something which lasts for ever and ever and will not be reversed at the close of a thousand years.

These guys do not realize to what extent they twist scripture every time they add meaning that isn't there in order to change the meaning, or take away from the text the meaning that IS there.
 

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Exactly. Jesus was not saying anything about a thousand years and the reversal of His actions for a brief period at the close of that thousand years.

Nor was He saying anything about that when He spoke about the destruction of Satan's works (i.e his power over death) which is something which lasts for ever and ever and will not be reversed at the close of a thousand years.

These guys do not realize to what extent they twist scripture every time they add meaning that isn't there in order to change the meaning, or take away from the text the meaning that IS there.
Since GOD is the Only Source of Truth = why not believe His every word = Matt 4:4

Why do we assume we know better???

If we will only embrace JESUS instruction = Matthew 18:1-5 and John 14:15-17
 
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Have you Scripture for this or do you just make it up as you go?

What? Are you for real?
Trillions of angels were created by GOD = all with purpose as well as having differing ranks of authority

The "destroying angel" of Exodus ch12 is NOT Satan = crystal clear

Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”

But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.
If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?


Beginning in Revelation chapter 2, the LORD is very specific = Satan is free on earth to Rule

And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write,
‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword:
“I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is.
And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr,
who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.

In all of Scripture from Genesis to Revelation, Satan remains as "god of this world/Age" and "roams about seeking who he may devour"
Only when the LORD Returns, is Satan locked up = Gospel, 1st & 2nd Thess, Rev chapters 19-20
 
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Have you Scripture for this or do you just make it up as you go?
Likely from here, Satan is also called a 'Prince' by Christ in the NT

Ezekiel 28:14
Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth, and I have set thee so; thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world; now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

Cast out from his place of power after the resurrection of Christ, with Christ now having been given all power in heaven and earth

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, “All power is given unto Me in Heaven and on earth.
 
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John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in Me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer: I have overcome the world.”

Luke 11:22
But when one stronger than he shall come upon him and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armor wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.

Revelation 3:21
To him that overcometh, will I grant to sit with Me on My throne, even as I also overcame and am set down with My Father on His throne.

We have a high calling in Christ Jesus
 
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I wasn’t quoting a scripture I was saying that satan does try to deceive people about who Jesus is which is scriptural



The following passage, for one, supports that. But what does that have to do with satan being bound a thousand years?

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.


Yet I wonder if some interpreters fully understand that passage? I only quoted verse 3-7, yet verses 8-18 are to be considered as well in order to better grasp what is being taught here.

In the verses above, this comes first--the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not. The remedy is then this---the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Except that does the lost no good if this is the case---if our gospel be hid. Therefore, satan doesn't need to be bound in order to spread the gospel of Christ. Our gospel needs to not be hidden in order to spread the gospel of Christ.

Therefore, the saved have the responsibility for spreading the gospel of Christ. satan isn't bound so that the gospel of Christ can spread. Obviously, satan is not bound when he is blinding the minds of those that believe not. How does that make sense that satan is bound so that he can't prevent the spread of the gospel of Christ, while he continues to blind the minds of those that believe not?