What is the difference between the gospel to the Jews and the gospel to the gentiles?

[rvmb]

Yes!
What gospel was that?

Gal 1:11-12 - The Gospel revealed to Paul by ONLY Christ not man, not the OT, not the other Apostles or their writings.
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
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ps Gal 2:6 =more confirmation that the Gospel Paul taught was UNIQUE to him :)
6But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:

 

[rvmb]

Yes!
What gospel was that?

Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4 that was taught to Paul by ONLY Christ, not man, not the OT, not the other Apostles
Gal 1:-
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Gal 2:6
..or they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:

 

[Wick Stick]

There is a biblical warning about not preaching any OTHER gospel.
But it seems that there was a gospel message to the Jews and a gospel message to the gentiles.
Because the two audiences were completely different.

- The Jews, of course were expecting a Messiah. The gentiles weren't.
- The Jews were raised under the law. The gentiles weren't.

What other key differences altered the gospel message to the Jews as opposed to the gentiles?

There's only one gospel - that God is present, active, powerful, and working through us.

The idea that there are two is the basis of one of the more successful modern heresies.

 

[Jack]

Seven gospels and counting.

Which one do you believe to be God's Word? None maybe?

 

[Wick Stick]

would this gospel make sense to gentiles?

Acts 7:51-53 NIV
“You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised.
You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit!
52 Was there ever a prophet your ancestors did not persecute?
They even killed those who predicted the coming of the Righteous One.
And now you have betrayed and murdered him—
53 you who have received the law that was given through angels
but have not obeyed it.”

I love Acts 7, but this is NOT the gospel. This is Stephen's μαρτύριον (martyr) - the testimony for which his life's blood was spilled.

For the Jews, this is the opposite of "good news." This is INCREDIBLY BAD NEWS for the Jews. Stephen accuses them of killing their Messiah. Their hope is lost, they are cut off.

Not only that, but he recaps ALL OF JEWISH HISTORY, and (re?)frames the Jews as the villains. That they stoned the prophets (in the verses you quoted) is the LEAST startling accusation he brings.

Stephen tells the Jews that the sacrifices (the ones they're relying on to cover their sins) were actually offered to pagan gods, and God NEVER wanted or accepted them (v.42-43). That's hard to even reconcile to the OT.

Stephen tells the Jews that Solomon, their greatest king, was a pagan who erected a temple that God did NOT want and did NOT accept (v.44-49). The whole temple system is a FRAUD, according to Stephen.

Stephen tells the Jews that the covenent of Moses failed at the base of Mt. Sinai... before it even started... when they offered sacrifice to the
golden calf. He says that God gave up on Israel right then and there and destined them to worship the starry host (v.37-42).

I bet that isn't the interpretation of the Old Testament they taught you in Sunday School. I see why they stoned him to death.

 

[quietthinker]

What is the difference between the gospel to the Jews and the gospel to the gentiles?​

None

 

[St. SteVen]

Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4 that was taught to Paul by ONLY Christ, not man, not the OT, not the other Apostles
Gal 1:-
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Gal 2:6
..or they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:

Agree.
This is good evidence of other gospels.
Paul didn't get his gospel message from "men". (other apostles)
It was direct from Jesus and unique to other gospels.

 

[St. SteVen]

For the Jews, this is the opposite of "good news." This is INCREDIBLY BAD NEWS for the Jews.

That's a good point.
But the message (gospel) from Stephen was solely for that audience.

 

[St. SteVen]

There's only one gospel - that God is present, active, powerful, and working through us.

Gospel number nine and counting.

The idea that there are two is the basis of one of the more successful modern heresies.

Perhaps it should be revisited, as we are doing here.
The knee-jerk reaction is to claim only one gospel.
As if there is salvation in a singular message.
And heresy in any other.

Unfortunately, posters on this topic can't even agree on WHAT that gospel is.
It hasn't really been thought through.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Ask a Catholic about the gospel.
Then ask a Protestant.
Notice the difference?
Which one is false?I am a Protestant so I do know the difference but what your asking presents a false dilemma.

You’re presenting another false dilemma.

I am not required to reject everything Catholics affirm in order to maintain that there is one gospel. Scripture does not define the gospel by denominational identity, but by specifically defined content.

Where divisions occur among professing denominations is not in the gospel’s announcement (1 Corinthians 15:1–4), but in doctrinal matters such as justification—that is, the theological explanation of how the benefits of Christ’s finished work are applied to the sinner for the forgiveness of sins.

That distinction is one Paul himself makes.

In Galatians, the issue is not whether Christ died and rose—his opponents affirmed that.
The issue was adding requirements that altered the saving sufficiency of Christ’s finished work.

“You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law.” (Galatians 5:4)

So the question is not:

• Catholic vs. Protestant

The question is:

• Is Christ’s work sufficient on its own, or is human merit required to supplement it?

That’s why Paul says:

“If righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.” (Galatians 2:21)

Different explanations do not automatically create different gospels.
But different requirements for justification do.

That is why Paul can say there is:

• one gospel (Galatians 1:6–9),
• one message of salvation,
• and yet warn that it can be distorted without denying every historical or biblical fact about Christ.

So no—this is not “say the magic words and you’re saved.”

It is taking Paul seriously when he says the gospel has defined content, and that altering its sufficiency places something other than Christ at the center.

One gospel.
One Christ.
One finished work.
Many explanations.
And yes—real distortions.

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[St. SteVen]

I am not required to reject everything Catholics affirm in order to maintain that there is one gospel. Scripture does not define the gospel by denominational identity, but by specifically defined content.

There is no agreement on a "specifically defined content."
We are up to nine gospels on this topic alone.

Where is the one gospel that everyone agrees on?

That is why Paul can say there is:

• one gospel (Galatians 1:6–9),
• one message of salvation,
• and yet warn that it can be distorted without denying every historical or biblical fact about Christ.

What about the other apostles? What do they say? What gospel did they declare?

Post #62 says that Paul did not receive his gospel from men, but by direct revelation from Jesus Christ.
Therefore his gospel differed from the gospel of men.

Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4 that was taught to Paul by ONLY Christ, not man, not the OT, not the other Apostles
Gal 1:-
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Gal 2:6

 

[Wick Stick]

That's a good point.
But the message (gospel) from Stephen was solely for that audience.

Message? Hmph...

μαρτύριον (martyrion) is legal testimony. That's why it's sometimes translated as 'witness.' More specifically, it is legal testimony given by the accused/condemned at their OWN trial (hence the whole martyr thing).

Stephen didn't use his final words to deliver a message to a group so large as "believers" or "the Jews." His testimony, as recorded, is intended to address the accusations against him, and specifically those people who were accusing him. He wasn't trying to evangelize them. He was asserting his own righteousness against his accusers' lack of righteousness.

Our own legal systems don't value this kind of self-testimony. In America, a man specifically CANNOT be made to testify against himself. But... It turns out that someone who is already condemned to die... they have very little reason to hold back. And boy... Stephen really didn't hold back.

Not only did he frame his accusers as being wicked, but he impugned their ancestors, their heredity, the governing body that was judging him, the sacrificial system, the legitimacy of the temple itself as an institution, and the whole of Moses' Law under which he was being judged.

This is not "another version of the same gospel message." This is "I don't recognize this court as having legitimacy to judge me."

 

[Wick Stick]

Gospel number nine and counting.

Could you list them? That would be helpful for comparison's sake.

The knee-jerk reaction is to claim only one gospel.

I don't think that frames the argument correctly. The claim isn't that "no other gospel exists." If so, then Paul is speaking nonsense when he refers to an "other gospel."

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

The claim is that there is a certain special gospel - THE Gospel - upon which the faith rests. Paul here tells the Galatian church that if someone comes proclaiming some other WAY, an OTHER good news... they can know that the newcomer is false, We should dismiss them out-of-hand.

Unfortunately, posters on this topic can't even agree on WHAT that gospel is.

That's an indictment of modern Christianity, and perhaps of all message-board-participants.

I think, even if everyone here can't agree on what THE gospel is... we at least agree that there is one, certain, special gospel... THE Gospel.

 

[St. SteVen]

This is not "another version of the same gospel message." This is "I don't recognize this court as having legitimacy to judge me."

Do you contend that there is only one gospel? (seems so)

We are unable to establish consensus on this forum for what that gospel message is.

 

[St. SteVen]

Could you list them? That would be helpful for comparison's sake.

Here you go.

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Same Gospel either way: repentance and faith in Christ crucified and risen for the forgiveness of sins (Luke 24:46–47; 1 Cor 15:3–4). Different audience, different entry point.

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Peter's Gospel Acts 2:38-45
Paul's Gospel Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4

I see one offering for sin, one spotless Lamb, one High Holy Priest, one dwelling place of God, the Temple made without hands.

One Gospel.

Matthew's gospel focused on how the OT prophets pointed to Jesus as the promised Messiah, and how He fulfilled those prophecies. Start with that.

 

[Jack]

Here you go.

STV doesn't even know why he's in a Christian forum attacking the Bible just like Satan!

 

[St. SteVen]

The claim is that there is a certain special gospel - THE Gospel - upon which the faith rests. Paul here tells the Galatian church that if someone comes proclaiming some other WAY, an OTHER good news... they can know that the newcomer is false, We should dismiss them out-of-hand.
That's an indictment of modern Christianity, and perhaps of all message-board-participants.

I think, even if everyone here can't agree on what THE gospel is... we at least agree that there is one, certain, special gospel... THE Gospel.

You can agree that there's only one gospel, but no one knows what it is. (the King's new clothes?)
Put up or shut up? (anyone)

 

[Jack]

You can agree that there's only one gospel, but no one knows what it is. (the Kings new clothes?)
Put up or shut up? (anyone)

Certainly YOU! You're only here to attack God of the Bible!

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
You can agree that there's only one gospel, but no one knows what it is. (the Kings new clothes?)
Put up or shut up? (anyone)

Certainly YOU! You're only here to attack God of the Bible!

What is the one gospel that everyone can agree on?

 

[Jack]

St. SteVen said:
You can agree that there's only one gospel, but no one knows what it is. (the Kings new clothes?)
Put up or shut up? (anyone)

What is the one gospel that everyone can agree on?

Ain't none! You're only here to attack the Bible!