Flat Earth Theory

[Lizbeth]

Good Morning my Sister in CHRIST Lizbeth

Satans plan has always been to deceive the world thru his manipulation of science - "so called"

Nimrod and his workings was the first NASA = Genesis

GENESIS is the Foundation of all TRUTH that will follow.


1 John 5:19 - We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the control of the wicked one.

Satan controls the worlds education system especially science = all scientists must adhere to the education system established by the past 6,000 years.

There are no 'good people' on earth there only exists people that can do some 'good' because of CHRIST = Eph 2:1-3

And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you used to walk
A.) when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air,
B.) the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience.
C.) All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.



A.) Gravity cannot be proven because it does not exist = this they are forced to admit but still make excuses as if it does exist

B.) the absence of 'gravity' is EASILY Proven

C.) WATER easily Proves we are on a LEVEL Plane/Surface with hills, mountains, valleys, land depressions where WATER sits LEVEL
WATER rushes DOWN a river = never up a river = you have seen 'water FALLS' = yes

D.) World Record Long Distance photos easily Proves GOD Speaks TRUTH = we are not on a globe/ball spinning 1,000mph

GOD's Science is GOOD and it is TRUTH and it is FACTUAL Science= WATER

ALWAYS read and remind yourself of Romans 1:18 -20 and Job 38:1-6 and Jeremiah 31:35-37

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

Good morning and much shalom to you brother David. I'm getting weary and a lot of these things are just over my head, especially as I'm not young any more either. Nimrod and the tower I believe was about man exalting himself above God....ideologies and belief systems that exalt themselves over the knowledge of God.....astrology, occult, witchcraft, idolatry, etc. I even wonder if the west is going backwards and is heading in the direction of another dark ages and ignorance because they are not basing things on real practical science any more but on their pet ideologies and agendas, as well as chasing after their greed too. Simply discovering and observing processes that the LORD put in place is not evil in itself although people can use it for evil and misdirect the glory to man. There is a scripture that says God creates man in the womb, yet science discovered and observes that there is process involved in gestation that takes place over time. Or do you believe that is a lie and we should believe the baby is formed instantaneously? (That is not a cheeky question, I'm just wondering how far you take this.) I just don't believe that all science is an attempt to suppress the truth. I think I'm going to give this a rest now, although I will read what I can of what people are saying.

 

[Lizbeth]

I think I made my point. I'm sorry that in doing so you have become offended. Christ spoke in parables to those who were hard of heart and hard of hearing. He expounded most of these parables to His disciples, which was recorded for our benefit. Christ does not speak to His children in parables, but to those who are perishing, for reasons clearly stated in the text.

For those parables which were not explained in the text, He left us His Holy Spirit to open our hearts and minds to understand them.

Other than the parables, I see no allegory in the scriptures, if you do, please point them out to me. Concerning dreams and visions, much of what people claim to be dreams and visions, in all likelihood were nothing more than the physiological leftovers of the greasy pizza they had for dinner. And while I do not dismiss the notion that God still speaks through dreams and visions in this time, I seriously doubt the average Christians ability to properly discern their meaning.

I wasn't trying to start an argument, but to correct a misunderstanding you may have had, clearly revealed by the text, which is our only reliable source of truth. If your reading of the text leads you to another conclusion, that's between you and Christ.

Again, the text is clear, Christ did not speak to His disciples in parables, but to those who were hard of heart and hearing. He clearly stated His reason for doing so. And He later revealed the meaning of those parables to His disciples privately, because without yet having received the Holy Spirit it was necessary to do so. If you are convinced that Christ continues to speak to you in parables, then who am I to tell you otherwise? Though I would hope that you allow Christ speak to you through His word, and trust in His word, more than some feeling you may have had which is contrary to His word.

Well, now I have a better idea of where you are coming from and why you aren't understanding me. God gives dreams, visions and other gifts that are not due to indigestion. His sheep know His voice...we learn to discern when something is from Him or when it is from indigestion, lol.. I already did give you examples of allegories. But I won't belabour this any further with you.

 

[David in NJ]

Good morning and much shalom to you brother David. I'm getting weary and a lot of these things are just over my head, especially as I'm not young any more either. Nimrod and the tower I believe was about man exalting himself above God....ideologies and belief systems that exalt themselves over the knowledge of God.....astrology, occult, witchcraft, idolatry, etc. I even wonder if the west is going backwards and is heading in the direction of another dark ages and ignorance because they are not basing things on real practical science any more but on their pet ideologies and agendas, as well as chasing after their greed too. Simply discovering and observing processes that the LORD put in place is not evil in itself although people can use it for evil and misdirect the glory to man. There is a scripture that says God creates man in the womb, yet science discovered and observes that there is process involved in gestation that takes place over time. Or do you believe that is a lie and we should believe the baby is formed instantaneously? (That is not a cheeky question, I'm just wondering how far you take this.) I just don't believe that all science is an attempt to suppress the truth. I think I'm going to give this a rest now, although I will read what I can of what people are saying.

Simply discovering and observing processes that the LORD put in place is not evil in itself

100% AGREE = It is not evil for it is the Will of GOD that we discover His Creation and factual science

Just place water in a bowl = tilt it = the water spills out = Factual Science created by our Heavenly FATHER

Lizbeth = our Heavenly FATHER = you and me Sis, HE is taking us to Glory now and when HE Comes

Thank you for your love and communication

Micaiah passed his second Aviation Mechanics Test and he just now let us know that there are three more

Why he never told us of more = children!!! = even though he is 24

 

[Lizbeth]

The HOLY SPIRIT penned Romans thru Paul = not vice versa

Genesis 1:2
n the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.


My dear Sister, gravity does not exist for God never created it = the globalists came up with gravity

Ephesians 2:1-3 = we all have been educated/indoctrinated by satan's world ruling education system

Gravity does not exist except in peoples minds because of the ruling authority of Satan over the world

THEY knew that WATER exposes their lies = therefore they created the lie of gravity to support the LIE of a globe earth


SAME as pre-trib rapture = they create lie after lie in order to deny Matthew chapter 24

SAME as Watchtower = "the Word was a god"

SAME as Vatican/RCC = pray to Mary, pray to statues, worship the antichrist pope

I dont' know the science about water at all to be able to comment on that. But a quick rhetorical question for you brother.....how does the ploughman overtake the reaper if the field/world is flat?

 

[soberxp]

I dont' know the science about water at all to be able to comment on that. But a quick rhetorical question for you brother.....how does the ploughman overtake the reaper if the field/world is flat?

He means the water knows the word which we use, if we give a title on the water in the vessel.

 

[Lizbeth]

100% AGREE = It is not evil for it is the Will of GOD that we discover His Creation and factual science

Just place water in a bowl = tilt it = the water spills out = Factual Science created by our Heavenly FATHER

Lizbeth = our Heavenly FATHER = you and me Sis, HE is taking us to Glory now and when HE Comes

Thank you for your love and communication

Micaiah passed his second Aviation Mechanics Test and he just now let us know that there are three more

Why he never told us of more = children!!! = even though he is 24

Praise the Lord about your son, God is faithful. We'll never give up on our respective families - I remember the story about the woman who kept coming to pester the judge until he gave in. The spirit of hate is the spirit of murder.....they hated Jesus without a cause - that is what I believe your son has been facing, and my son too when he was younger...but the Lord is faithful like the limits He put on the devil when he came against Job....and then God turned it all around for Job's good. \o/

 

[David in NJ]

I dont' know the science about water at all to be able to comment on that. But a quick rhetorical question for you brother.....how does the ploughman overtake the reaper if the field/world is flat?

On that day I will raise up
The tabernacle of David, which has fallen down,
And repair its damages;
I will raise up its ruins,
And rebuild it as in the days of old;
12That they may possess the remnant of Edom,
And all the Gentiles who are called by My name,”
Says the Lord who does this thing.
13“Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord,
“When the plowman shall overtake the reaper,
And the treader of grapes him who sows seed;
The mountains shall drip with sweet wine,
And all the hills shall flow with it.
14I will bring back the captives of My people Israel;
They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them;
They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them;
They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.
15I will plant them in their land,
And no longer shall they be pulled up
From the land I have given them,”
Says the Lord your God.

Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to finish His work. 35Do you not say, ‘There are still four months and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are already white for harvest! 36And he who reaps receives wages, and gathers fruit for eternal life, that both he who sows and he who reaps may rejoice together. 37For in this the saying is true: ‘One sows and another reaps.’ 38I sent you to reap that for which you have not labored; others have labored, and you have entered into their labors.”

 

[other one]

Michael Heiser has a couple of very good videos on this subject that everyone should watch.

It is important to be able to explain this to people. My own brother woud not accept the Bible as the word o God over this subject.

 

[David in NJ]

Michael Heiser has a couple of very good videos on this subject that everyone should watch.

It is important to be able to explain this to people. My own brother woud not accept the Bible as the word o God over this subject.

i just BEGAN and only two minutes in.

First major error made by this man is saying:
"we are not battling Darwinism as Darwin was not alive when Genesis was written"
"the writer of Genesis did not have nor could have this in mind"

his opening is MAJOR ERROR = as it is contrary to God's words

Will continue to listen and hopefully he corrects himself in the video

 

[soberxp]

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Looks like a womb.

 

[David in NJ]

Looks like a womb.

Amen

The earth is PREGNANT with the Dead bodies of the Saints = those dead bodies and all of the Earth is waiting for Redemption DAY

His Second COMING and the RESURRETCION

 

[GodsGrace]

Well God says stars can fall. So we can read it, and also observe it happening.

“It grew up to the host of heaven and caused some of the host and some of the stars to fall to the earth, and it trampled them down. (Daniel 8:10)

“But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. (Matthew 24:29)

“AND THE STARS WILL BE FALLING from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. (Mark 13:25)

“The third angel sounded, and a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of waters. (Revelation 8:10)

“The name of the star is called Wormwood; and a third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the waters, because they were made bitter. (Revelation 8:11)

Psalm....
I just can't debate this with you.

If you believe that stars fall from the sky, so be it.

Daniel 8:10 states that some star fell to the earth and a horn stomped on it.

8 Then the male goat magnified himself exceedingly *. But as soon as he was mighty, the large horn was broken; and in its place there came up four conspicuous horns toward the four winds of heaven.

The Little Horn​

9 Out of one of them came forth a rather small horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Beautiful Land.
10 It grew up to the host of heaven and caused some of the host and some of the stars to fall to the earth, and it trampled them down.

So a star fell to the earth.....a star would be a body such as our sun....
and a horn stomped on it?

You don't need to reply,,,,I really want to be off this thread.

 

[David in NJ]

Michael Heiser has a couple of very good videos on this subject that everyone should watch.

It is important to be able to explain this to people. My own brother woud not accept the Bible as the word o God over this subject.

Have you watched this video???

7:40 minute = "what is in Genesis is NOT a response to Darwinism"

REALLY??? = GOD never knew Darwin and Darwinism was going to take place???

8:20 minute = "God did NOT create a new culture for Israel" - WOW

Is this guy a Free Mason??? because he sure wants his listeners to be dumbed down thru man's intellectual prowess of unbelief

9:04 = "God doesn't say this to Himself - "You know, I really would like to tell them how I made everything"
Well this is a half truth = half of it is true while the conclusion is false

11:39 - "God does not bother or need to change Israels world view" = contrary to God's words = (spirit of error)

12:15 - "patriarchal culture, God does not change the culture by cleaning it up first and now we can talk" = WOW is that from error
"God does not bother to clean up anybody's act" = wow is that an antichrist statement

i am only at the 19:00 minute mark and there seems to be some redemption here BUT we shall see as we move on

Hopefully, when i get thru video this he brings Glory to God and i can say Amen

 

[David in NJ]

i just BEGAN and only two minutes in.

First major error made by this man is saying:
"we are not battling Darwinism as Darwin was not alive when Genesis was written"
"the writer of Genesis did not have nor could have this in mind"

his opening is MAJOR ERROR = as it is contrary to God's words

Will continue to listen and hopefully he corrects himself in the video

God warns us of intellectualism that masquerades as truth but brings us to a wrong/erroneous conclusion.

The six year old girl is correct AND the scientist is correct = BOTH are TRUE = AMEN = fully AGREE

His conclusion however is FALSE = "they are both right and they are both wrong"

Only the scientist who mocks Genesis is wrong = for the HOLY SPIRIT Says:
"Eve is the mother of us all" and Eve is from Adam and Adam is from GOD" = GENESIS is biological scientific TRUTH

currently at the 23:00 minute mark

 

[David in NJ]

24:21 "even though she(6 yr old) is flawed she is correct"

Well she was never flawed from the beginning = "God gave me a brother"

There is no "flaw" in her correct statement, there is only the element of discovery of more of Genesis that will eventually reach her.

continuing

 

[ProDeo]

Feel free to browse my other posts in other threads, particularly those of a theological nature. Do I sound delusional to you? Or grounded in my faith? We may disagree on some theological points, that's allowed. But I ask again, do my comments concerning things of a biblical or spiritual nature appear delusional?

I have read the link you gave. I stopped reading after reading the subject :

The origin of the Trinity​

As if the Trinity is borrowed from old Egyptian religion, what a nonsense. In fact the Christian Godhead is in the NT all over, even in the OT.

 

[David in NJ]

Michael Heiser has a couple of very good videos on this subject that everyone should watch.

It is important to be able to explain this to people. My own brother woud not accept the Bible as the word o God over this subject.

25:30 - "if you are going to have debate with me you are going to have to justify the incoherence of your position of your beginning position and then we can have our conversation, good luck with that"


Pride goes before the fall

 

[David in NJ]

I have read the link you gave. I stopped reading after reading the subject :

The origin of the Trinity​

As if the Trinity is borrowed from old Egyptian religion, what a nonsense. In fact the Christian Godhead is in the NT all over, even in the OT.

Brother @Simple Dan

Is that what you believe??? and you seek to reprove me???

Love you Dan, but you need to BELIEVE every word that proceeds from the Mouth of your Heavenly FATHER = GOD" - Matt 4:4

 

[David in NJ]

Michael Heiser has a couple of very good videos on this subject that everyone should watch.

It is important to be able to explain this to people. My own brother woud not accept the Bible as the word o God over this subject.

And here is where he erred = 25:57 mark

his redemption, in part = "it is still the word of God"

30:28 - "the whole debate is just nonsense" - wow

30:31 - "you allowed the antagonist to frame the discussion" = exact method he is using in the video
and then he says "i would challenge you, do not do that" = but he is doing just that!!!
In other words, do as i say not as i do

30:44 - now he begins his own framing of the discussion, which he told us not to do!!!
FYI - He started this way from the very beginning of the video = shrewd man of intellect but no match for the Holy Spirit

MAJOR error at 31:00 and this should be a WARNING to all who watch this video as it's base is human intellectualism = Gen 3:4-5

i PRAISE GOD that he believes there is a God and HE is the God of Scripture/Bible = AWESOME

continuing

 

[David in NJ]

Michael Heiser has a couple of very good videos on this subject that everyone should watch.

It is important to be able to explain this to people. My own brother woud not accept the Bible as the word o God over this subject.

he takes a MAJOR fall at 33:48 on Hebrews 7:4-10

"scientifically speaking, Levi was not in the loins of his father"

Actually, scientifically speaking = he was = GOD's Science calls it genetic origin

HELLO - we have genetic science and databases to TRACE BACK your heritage thru your genetic profile


Correcting GOD at His word is what Satan did in the Garden and has never stopped doing.

contining