What is the difference between the gospel to the Jews and the gospel to the gentiles?

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Hazelelponi

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There is no agreement on a "specifically defined content."

I’m not appealing to myself or to consensus. I’m pointing to what Scripture itself explicitly defines as the gospel.

Paul does not say, “here is one possible description".

You're free to read 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 at your leisure, but you're making an error when you say " there is no agreement, therefore no defined gospel.”

That logic would destroy every doctrine in Scripture.
Paul explicitly anticipates disagreement when he says:

“If anyone is preaching a gospel contrary to the one you received…” (Gal 1:9)

Disagreement presupposes definition.
 

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St. SteVen said:
There is no agreement on a "specifically defined content."
I’m not appealing to myself or to consensus. I’m pointing to what Scripture itself explicitly defines as the gospel.

Paul does not say, “here is one possible description".

You're free to read 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 at your leisure, but you're making an error when you say " there is no agreement, therefore no defined gospel.”
That's one gospel. (of many) ???
Is that the one everybody agrees with?
We haven't seen it yet on this topic. (as of page #5)

That logic would destroy every doctrine in Scripture.
Paul explicitly anticipates disagreement when he says:

“If anyone is preaching a gospel contrary to the one you received…” (Gal 1:9)

Disagreement presupposes definition.
But what is THAT gospel?
We are not told, correct?

And perhaps Paul is making a statement that only applies to that specific group. (the Galatians?)
The contrary gospel was defined later in the Epistle. (works of the law)
 

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Do you contend that there is only one gospel? (seems so)

We are unable to establish consensus on this forum for what that gospel message is.
So far, I contend that:

A) There is one certain Gospel which the Bible refers to as THE Gospel, whose proclamation is vital and necessary for salvation (whatever that is)
B) That I know what THE Gospel is
C) Acts 7 doesn't proclaim THE Gospel
D) Acts 7 doesn't proclaim ANY gospel at all - it is bad news, not good news.
E) I definitely CANNOT get everyone on this message board to agree to any single one of these points
 
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So far, I contend that:

A) There is one certain Gospel which the Bible refers to as THE Gospel, whose proclamation is vital and necessary for salvation (whatever that is)
B) That I know what THE Gospel is
C) Acts 7 doesn't proclaim THE Gospel
D) Acts 7 doesn't proclaim ANY gospel at all - it is bad news, not good news.
E) I definitely CANNOT get everyone on this message board to agree to any single one of these points
If we were trying to prove the only one gospel claim in a court of law, would we win?
There seems to be a lack of evidence.

cc: @Hazelelponi
 

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For me it hinges on the false idea that we are saved by doctrine.
Say the magic words and you are saved.

That sounds like an altar call. Which I don't find useful at all for salvation.
The Bible to me is the basis of our faith. How would anyone know anything about WHO God is and, what He wants from us.
What else other than scripture would be your basis for believing? Do we pick and choose which are God breathed, or can we just decide using our human intelligence? If so, then we are fooling ourselves.
Just my take St.SteVen.
Blessings!
 

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There is a biblical warning about not preaching any OTHER gospel.
But it seems that there was a gospel message to the Jews and a gospel message to the gentiles.
Because the two audiences were completely different.

- The Jews, of course were expecting a Messiah. The gentiles weren't.
- The Jews were raised under the law. The gentiles weren't.

What other key differences altered the gospel message to the Jews as opposed to the gentiles?


There is one Gospel; The Gospel of Jesus Christ


in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians 1:8
 

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If we were trying to prove the only one gospel claim in a court of law, would we win?
There seems to be a lack of evidence.

cc: @Hazelelponi

If this were a court of law, the first question would be jurisdiction.

What authority governs the case?

If Scripture is not admitted as authoritative evidence, then no theological claim—including the denial of “one gospel”—can ever be proven. Everything reduces to opinion. At that point, the question isn’t whether there is one gospel, but whether Christianity itself can make truth claims at all.

But if Scripture is admitted as evidence, then the record is clear.

Paul does not appeal to personal preference, denominational consensus, or later tradition. He explicitly grounds the gospel in public, historical, and revealed facts, and then warns—under divine authority—that deviations from that message are not alternative interpretations but distortions.

“I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you… that Christ died for our sins… that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day.”
(1 Corinthians 15:1–4)
“If we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.”
(Galatians 1:8–9)
That is not ambiguity; it is a legal-style boundary statement.

So the issue is not a “lack of evidence.”
The issue is whether Scripture’s testimony is being allowed to testify.

If it is, then there is one gospel, defined by God, attested by the apostles, and guarded by explicit warnings against alteration.

If it is not, then the discussion has already abandoned any non-arbitrary standard of truth.

What no one has done, is disagree that Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, provided us with an explicit working definition of the word "Gospel." or otherwise refute the claim, using Scripture, that it's an authoritative definition for the Christian.
 
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That sounds like an altar call. Which I don't find useful at all for salvation.
The Bible to me is the basis of our faith. How would anyone know anything about WHO God is and, what He wants from us.
What else other than scripture would be your basis for believing? Do we pick and choose which are God breathed, or can we just decide using our human intelligence? If so, then we are fooling ourselves.
Just my take St.SteVen.
Blessings!
Personally I think the Damascus Road experience
is a better description of a restored relationship with God.
Rather than an academic exercise with the Bible.
My first encounter was just that. A one-on-one discussion with the creator.
But everyone has their own story. For the most part I reject the idea of
bombarding someone with apologetics to argue them into the kingdom.
 
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There is one Gospel; The Gospel of Jesus Christ


in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians 1:8
Sounds serious. Too bad no one knows what it is.
Failure to obey comes with serious consequences.
 

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So the issue is not a “lack of evidence.”
The issue is whether Scripture’s testimony is being allowed to testify.

If it is, then there is one gospel, defined by God, attested by the apostles, and guarded by explicit warnings against alteration.
There is still no concise definition of what the one gospel is.
 

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No difference = there is only One Gospel

Presentation customized to your audience is allowable and Good
The Gospel always Centers on JESUS/Cross/Resurrection = by His Sinless Blood we are SAVED
And the winner is , DAVID . exactly my f riend . exactly it was the very one and selfsame gospel preached
to every jew and every gentile .
 

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There is still no concise definition of what the one gospel is.

I have quoted the passage so much in this thread I have the chapter and verse memorized because I have repeatedly recited the verse in this thread replying to you. Not once, not twice, but at least a half a dozen times now

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 - read the Bible
 
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There is still no concise definition of what the one gospel is.
well the ecumenical intefaith gospel of inclusivitiy , that one be of anti christ . So dont preach it .
And there IS a v ery concise defention of what the one true gospel is .
You just dont want to beleive there is cause well i seen what ya been doing all along on this forum .
Ya come to plant doubts , in the BIBLE and the one true g ospel
of YE ABSOLUTELY MUST BLEIEVE that GOD ROSE HIM FROM the d ead , and confess him by mouth .
THEY all preached the ressurection of JESUS and what HE did and that we must BELEIVE TO BE SAVED .
every last one of them did , to jews and to gentiles .
And throughout all ages all the sheep have both beleived and spoken this one true g ospel .
But in this late generation the false one has taken a whole heap of them .
V ery few now stand on contend for the one true gospel of the one true faith . but the sheep still do .
 

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well the ecumenical intefaith gospel of inclusivitiy , that one be of anti christ . So dont preach it .
And there IS a v ery concise defention of what the one true gospel is .
You just dont want to beleive there is cause well i seen what ya been doing all along on this forum .
Ya come to plant doubts , in the BIBLE and the one true g ospel
of YE ABSOLUTELY MUST BLEIEVE that GOD ROSE HIM FROM the d ead , and confess him by mouth .
THEY all preached the ressurection of JESUS and what HE did and that we must BELEIVE TO BE SAVED .
every last one of them did , to jews and to gentiles .
And throughout all ages all the sheep have both beleived and spoken this one true g ospel .
But in this late generation the false one has taken a whole heap of them .
V ery few now stand on contend for the one true gospel of the one true faith . but the sheep still do .
@amigo de christo
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well the ecumenical intefaith gospel of inclusivitiy , that one be of anti christ . So dont preach it .
And there IS a v ery concise defention of what the one true gospel is .
You just dont want to beleive there is cause well i seen what ya been doing all along on this forum .
Ya come to plant doubts , in the BIBLE and the one true g ospel
of YE ABSOLUTELY MUST BLEIEVE that GOD ROSE HIM FROM the d ead , and confess him by mouth .
THEY all preached the ressurection of JESUS and what HE did and that we must BELEIVE TO BE SAVED .
every last one of them did , to jews and to gentiles .
And throughout all ages all the sheep have both beleived and spoken this one true g ospel .
But in this late generation the false one has taken a whole heap of them .
V ery few now stand on contend for the one true gospel of the one true faith . but the sheep still do .
@amigo de christo
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Marvelloustime

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well the ecumenical intefaith gospel of inclusivitiy , that one be of anti christ . So dont preach it .
And there IS a v ery concise defention of what the one true gospel is .
You just dont want to beleive there is cause well i seen what ya been doing all along on this forum .
Ya come to plant doubts , in the BIBLE and the one true g ospel
of YE ABSOLUTELY MUST BLEIEVE that GOD ROSE HIM FROM the d ead , and confess him by mouth .
THEY all preached the ressurection of JESUS and what HE did and that we must BELEIVE TO BE SAVED .
every last one of them did , to jews and to gentiles .
And throughout all ages all the sheep have both beleived and spoken this one true g ospel .
But in this late generation the false one has taken a whole heap of them .
V ery few now stand on contend for the one true gospel of the one true faith . but the sheep still do .
@amigo de christo
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I have quoted the passage so much in this thread I have the chapter and verse memorized because I have repeatedly recited the verse in this thread replying to you. Not once, not twice, but at least a half a dozen times now

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 - read the Bible
the go-to tactic of satanism is always to:
#1 - get you to question your own understanding of your child-like faith in GOD
#2 - then move on to get you to question the accuracy/authenticity and INSPIRED Word of GOD
#3 - then move on to = everyone has their own opinion
#4 - and there is more then one mountain top to GOD