Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

[WPM]

Which emphatically proves that Apollyon is not Satan.

Satan is has never been cast into any prison as yet.

Rev 2
To the angel of the church in Pergamum write:
These are the words of the One who holds the sharp, double-edged sword.
I know where you live, where the throne of Satan sits, yet you hold fast to My name. You did not deny your faith in Me, even in the days of My faithful witness Antipas, who was killed among you where Satan dwells.

Hello! The abyss is not a geographical place. It is a spiritual state. The abyss is on earth. Read the text: "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit" (Rev 9:1).

 

[David in NJ]

Hello! The abyss is not a geographical place. It is a spiritual state. The abyss is on earth. Read the text: "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit" (Rev 9:1).

AGREE = it is a spiritual prison for spiritual beings that they cannot get out of

God created this prison in the depths of earth/or other where man cannot go = Jude 1:5-6

But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;

 

[David in NJ]

That angel is not Apollyon. It is God's angel that has the key to the pit and likely the same angel that locks satan inside it in Rev 20.

thank you for the heads-up = been at least 20 years time since i made that kind of mistake

And it solidified that Apollyon is not Satan

There are more angels then Apollyon who are currently locked up = Jude 1:5-6

But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;

 

[WPM]

AGREE = it is a spiritual prison for spiritual beings that they cannot get out of

God created this prison in the depths of earth where man cannot go = Jude 1:5-6

But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;

It never taught that before the cross. Only in the NT. Satan, his minions and the kingdom of darkness have been spiritually bound to facilitate the invasion of Satan's territory with the light to the Gentiles.

Revelation 9:1 says: “I saw a star fall (or descend) from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the abyss.”

Revelation 20:1 says: “I saw an angel come down (or descend) from heaven, having the key of the abyss.”

Whilst there are two different Greek words used here in these two passages – pipto in Revelation 9:1 and katabaino in Revelation 20:1 – both can be translated descent, alight and fall.

Now, granted, these could relate to different time-periods. Revelation 9 is a later ascent near the end (before the second coming) in order to remove the spiritual restraint upon Satan and his kingdom. But they both show that the authority over the pit and the kingdom of darkness is heavenly.

 

[David in NJ]

It never taught that before the cross. Only in the NT. Satan, his minions and the kingdom of darkness have been spiritually bound to facilitate the invasion of Satan's territory with the light to the Gentiles.

Revelation 9:1 says: “I saw a star fall (or descend) from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the abyss.”

Revelation 20:1 says: “I saw an angel come down (or descend) from heaven, having the key of the abyss.”

Whilst there are two different Greek words used here in these two passages – pipto in Revelation 9:1 and katabaino in Revelation 20:1 – both can be translated descent, alight and fall.

Now, granted, these could relate to different time-periods. Revelation 9 is a later ascent near the end (before the second coming) in order to remove the spiritual restraint upon Satan and his kingdom. But they both show that the authority over the pit and the kingdom of darkness is heavenly.

Satan has never been locked up in prison = but the angels that sinned in Genesis were

Rev 2
To the angel of the church in Pergamum write:

These are the words of the One who holds the sharp, double-edged sword.

13I know where you live, where the throne of Satan sits, yet you hold fast to My name. You did not deny your faith in Me, even in the days of My faithful witness Antipas, who was killed among you where Satan dwells.

 

[WPM]

Satan has never been locked up in prison = but the angels that sinned in Genesis were

Rev 2
To the angel of the church in Pergamum write:

These are the words of the One who holds the sharp, double-edged sword.

13I know where you live, where the throne of Satan sits, yet you hold fast to My name. You did not deny your faith in Me, even in the days of My faithful witness Antipas, who was killed among you where Satan dwells.

Psalms 79:10-11 declares, “Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is their God? let him be known among the heathen in our sight by the revenging of the blood of thy servants which is shed. Let the sighing of the prisoner come before thee; according to the greatness of thy power preserve thou those that are appointed to die.”

Were all the heathen literal prisoners?

Did this indicate they were immobile? Did this mean they could not kill, steal and destroy?

Psalms 102:19-20 says, “For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; from heaven did the LORD behold the earth; To hear the groaning of the prisoner; to loose those that are appointed to death.”

Is the Psalmist talking about literal prisoners?

Does this mean the wicked are unable to move freely on this earth, influence others and cause evil?

Psalms 107:8-16 describes, “Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men! For he satisfieth the longing soul, and filleth the hungry soul with goodness. Such as sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, being bound in affliction and iron; Because they rebelled against the words of God, and contemned the counsel of the most High: Therefore he brought down their heart with labour; they fell down, and there was none to help. Then they cried unto the LORD in their trouble, and he saved them out of their distresses. He brought them out of darkness and the shadow of death, and brake their bands in sunder. Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men! For he hath broken the gates of brass, and cut the bars of iron in sunder.”

Were these chains literally iron?

Does this mean the wicked are unable to move freely on this earth, influence others and cause evil?

Psalms 146:7-8 declares, “The LORD looseth the prisoners: The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous.”

Are these literal prisoners or is it describing the wicked?

Does this mean the wicked are unable to move freely on this earth, influence others and cause evil?

Lamentations 3:33-34 says, “For he doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men. To crush under his feet all the prisoners of the earth.”

Does Satan have all his devotees in a literal physical prison?

Psalms 68:6 prophesied of those in darkness in the Old Testament: “he bringeth out those which are bound with chains: but the rebellious dwell in a dry land.”

Were the Gentiles (before the cross) curtailed by literal chains?

Does this mean the wicked are unable to move freely on this earth, influence others and cause evil?

Isaiah 14:12-17 tells us, “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer (helel or shining one), son of the morning (dawn)! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?”

Does Satan have all his devotees in a literal physical prison?

Does this mean the wicked are unable to move freely on this earth, influence others and cause evil?

Isaiah 42:6-7 says, "I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house."

Were the Gentiles (before the cross) held in a literal prison house?

Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened?

Does this mean the wicked are unable to move freely on this earth, influence others and cause evil?

Isaiah 49:8-9 says, “Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.”

Does Satan have all his devotees in a literal physical prison?

Does this mean the wicked are unable to move freely on this earth, influence others and cause evil?

Isaiah 58:6-12 asks, “Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh? Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward. Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity; And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday: And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not. And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.”

Were these chains literally iron?

Does this mean the wicked are unable to move freely on this earth, influence others and cause evil?

Isaiah 60:1-3 says, “Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.”

Were the Gentiles (before the cross) held in a literal prison house?

Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

Isaiah 61:1 says, “The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the broken hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound.”

Are those that Christ come to set free bound with physical chains?

Does this mean the wicked are unable to move freely on this earth, influence others and cause evil?

It is wrong to believe that Revelation 20 is a literal depiction describing the devil being physically chained, tossed into a physical abyss, and physically sealed so that he cannot deceive the nations anymore and yet still walk about this earth seeking whom he may devour. Amils don’t accept that this is physical language neither do they believe that spirits are physically chained and that they can be restrained by a literal prison. They believe that they are spiritually chained in a spiritual prison.

 

[David in NJ]

Isaiah 14:12-17 tells us, “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer (helel or shining one), son of the morning (dawn)! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?”

Does Satan have all his devotees in a literal physical prison?

Does this mean the wicked are unable to move freely on this earth, influence others and cause evil?

Always take one or two scriptures at a time

Isaiah 14:12-17 tells us, “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer (helel or shining one), son of the morning (dawn)! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?”

This is about when Lucifer when he sinned and the FUTURE Judgement that awaits him at the Second Coming of Christ

Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

 

[WPM]

Always take one or two scriptures at a time

Isaiah 14:12-17 tells us, “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer (helel or shining one), son of the morning (dawn)! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?”

This is about when Lucifer when he sinned and the FUTURE Judgement that awaits him at the Second Coming of Christ

Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Breaking news: Satan fell at the beginning. So, not true! Also, you didn't answer any question, as is your pattern. You can't because to answer honestly would destroy your argument on Rev 9 and Rev 20.

 

[David in NJ]

Breaking news: Satan fell at the beginning. So, not true! Also, you didn't answer any question, as is your pattern. You can;'t because to answer honestly would destroy your argument on Rev 9 and Rev 20.

BREAKING NEWS = Lucifer fell from Grace as an angel of Glory = Isaiah

Lucifer/Satan has yet to be imprisoned.

But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that
they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
2 Timothy ch2

 

[WPM]

BREAKING NEWS = Lucifer fell from Grace as an angel of Glory = Isaiah

Lucifer/Satan has yet to be imprisoned.

But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that
they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
2 Timothy ch2

I refer you back to the avoided questions.

Readers take note (for the thousandth time).

 

[David in NJ]

I refer you back to the avoided questions.

Readers take note (for the thousandth time).

You have been shown many scriptures = all pertaining to Satan being active and freely roaming the earth seeking whom he may devour.

These are from the OT Prophets , the Apostles, and from the LORD HIMSELF in Revelation chapters 1 thru 19

Did you SEE what the HOLY SPIRIT Says in 2 Timothy 2

But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that
they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

 

[ewq1938]

thank you for the heads-up = been at least 20 years time since i made that kind of mistake

np

And it solidified that Apollyon is not Satan

There are more angels then Apollyon who are currently locked up = Jude 1:5-6

But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;

Sure but I don't believe Apollyon is one of them but is satan, the thief was wants to destroy according to Jesus. satan is the perfect fit for a destroying angel in the negative sense.

The bible never provides any names for any of satan's angels but it provides A LOT of names for satan.

Joh_10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Satan is the thief who wants to destroy just as the word Apollyon means to destroy.

Abaddon means destruction

1Co_5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Here Satan does cause destruction. To destroy or cause destruction is the same concept behind the meaning of the names Apollyon and Abaddon.

 

[ewq1938]

You have been shown many scriptures = all pertaining to Satan being active and freely roaming the earth seeking whom he may devour.

Yes but Amill believes the world is the pit and that satan can roam around in it freely, with a supposed handicap from the gospel. What this means is that Christy lived in the pit which is nonsense. Muy point is Amill won't care about scriptures about satan roaming freely because that is how they view his "binding" etc.

 

[David in NJ]

I refer you back to the avoided questions.

Readers take note (for the thousandth time).

God's TRUTH is Simple and Easy to be Received and Believed

Isaiah gives the prophecy of Lucifer's fall from Grace and he becomes Satan = which means Adversary
with a FUTURE prophecy when he will be locked up

JESUS is walking the earth and so is Satan = Matthew 4:1-11

JESUS defeats Satan and Sin by Walking Sinless before the FATHER and then goes to the Cross as "the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world"

JESUS Rises on the 3rd Day and then after 40 days JESUS Ascends back to the FATHER

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is Given and guess who is still walking the earth = Satan

Around 60 - 65AD the Apostle Peter writes 1 Peter 5:8

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

The Apostle Paul 67AD writes " the devil takes captive at his will"

JESUS /Revelation 90AD = "I know where Satan dwells on earth and his throne in Pergamum"

JESUS /Revelation chapter 19 & 20 = the Second Coming of Christ = kings of earth defeated and Satan gets locked up

Why would you ever trust man-made doctrines that oppose the Word of GOD

 

[David in NJ]

Yes but Amill believes the world is the pit and that satan can roam around in it freely, with a supposed handicap from the gospel. What this means is that Christy lived in the pit which is nonsense. Muy point is Amill won't care about scriptures about satan roaming freely because that is how they view his "binding" etc.

How does Post 274 look from scriptural overview

Agree - amill takes "binding" and carries it to levels that deny the ROCK SOLID scriptures that Declare Satan as still active in the world and we must do spiritual battle against his deception

 

[David in NJ]

np





Sure but I don't believe Apollyon is one of them but is satan, the thief was wants to destroy according to Jesus. satan is the perfect fit for a destroying angel in the negative sense.

The bible never provides any names for any of satan's angels but it provides A LOT of names for satan.

Joh_10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Satan is the thief who wants to destroy just as the word Apollyon means to destroy.

Abaddon means destruction

1Co_5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Here Satan does cause destruction. To destroy or cause destruction is the same concept behind the meaning of the names Apollyon and Abaddon.

Notice how Satan was formerly named Lucifer = Isaiah 14:12-17

GOD changes Lucifers name to Satan = Gospel and NT Letters /Writings

Can you find anywhere in Scripture where Satan is specifically called Apollyon BEFORE we get to Revelation chapter 9

GOD specifically changed Lucifer/his name to Satan as we see in the Gospel and Apostles Letters and Revelation

 

[WPM]

You have been shown many scriptures = all pertaining to Satan being active and freely roaming the earth seeking whom he may devour.

These are from the OT Prophets , the Apostles, and from the LORD HIMSELF in Revelation chapters 1 thru 19

Did you SEE what the HOLY SPIRIT Says in 2 Timothy 2

But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that
they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

Why is it so difficult to grasp this spiritual depiction when everyone can easily grasp the idea that the wicked abide in the spiritual prison today bound by spiritual chains?

Premillennialists have no problem getting their head around the spiritual import of the wicked being bound by spiritual chains in a spiritual prison. Why do many seem to struggle with the same when it comes to the invisible realm and Satan and his demons, especially when we are looking at spirits that cannot be physically restrained?

It doesn’t make sense! I put it to you: it is because for them to acknowledge the obvious would cause them to change their theology, and they don’t want to do that.

Imprisonment and chains are constantly used in Scripture to describe spiritual restraint. This is seen in how the Holy Spirit depicts the wicked. For example, Satan is presented in Scripture as imprisoning his followers and refusing to release them from his spiritual prison.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes but Amill believes the world is the pit and that satan can roam around in it freely, with a supposed handicap from the gospel. What this means is that Christy lived in the pit which is nonsense. Muy point is Amill won't care about scriptures about satan roaming freely because that is how they view his "binding" etc.

Revelation chapter 2 Satan is ruling on earth in Pergamum

Revelation ch9 a certain angel is released from the bottomless pit named Apollyon = GENESIS / JUDE / 2 Peter 2:4-5

Revelation chapter 12 Satan is ruling in the heavenlies above earth = Satan has power and authority to travel back and forth
Satan looses his wings when Michael defeats him whereby Satan is cast to earth and goes after Israel and the Saints in CHRIST

Revelation ch9 cannot be Satan

Daniel 12:1-4 proves that Apollyon is not Satan

verse 1 - "At that time Michael the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up"

At what time??? at Revelation chapter 12 Time

Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels. 9And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

IMPOSSIBLE for Satan to be Apollyon and vice versa based on the Corroborative Scripture of Daniel 12:1 to Revelation ch12

 

[WPM]

God's TRUTH is Simple and Easy to be Received and Believed

Isaiah gives the prophecy of Lucifer's fall from Grace and he becomes Satan = which means Adversary
with a FUTURE prophecy when he will be locked up

JESUS is walking the earth and so is Satan = Matthew 4:1-11

JESUS defeats Satan and Sin by Walking Sinless before the FATHER and then goes to the Cross as "the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world"

JESUS Rises on the 3rd Day and then after 40 days JESUS Ascends back to the FATHER

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is Given and guess who is still walking the earth = Satan

Around 60 - 65AD the Apostle Peter writes 1 Peter 5:8

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

The Apostle Paul 67AD writes " the devil takes captive at his will"

JESUS /Revelation 90AD = "I know where Satan dwells on earth and his throne in Pergamum"

JESUS /Revelation chapter 19 & 20 = the Second Coming of Christ = kings of earth defeated and Satan gets locked up

Why would you ever trust man-made doctrines that oppose the Word of GOD

Just like the ungodly are bound in spiritual chains in a spiritual prison so the devil and his demons are bound in spiritual chains in a spiritual prison. The spiritual chains in a spiritual prison do not equate to immobility or residence it a literal physical prison no more that the abyss represents the same. This is not a hard truth to grasp. Our Premillennialist brethren just cannot go there as it destroys their whole argument.

 

[David in NJ]

Why is it so difficult to grasp this spiritual depiction when everyone can easily grasp the idea that the wicked abide in the spiritual prison today bound by spiritual chains?

Premillennialists have no problem getting their head around the spiritual import of the wicked being bound by spiritual chains in a spiritual prison. Why do many seem to struggle with the same when it comes to the invisible realm and Satan and his demons, especially when we are looking at spirits that cannot be physically restrained?

It doesn’t make sense! I put it to you: it is because for them to acknowledge the obvious would cause them to change their theology, and they don’t want to do that.

Imprisonment and chains are constantly used in Scripture to describe spiritual restraint. This is seen in how the Holy Spirit depicts the wicked. For example, Satan is presented in Scripture as imprisoning his followers and refusing to release them from his spiritual prison.

SIMPLE = people are not in spiritual prison outside of earth

People are born in SIN and it is SIN that has people bound in their physical bodies = mind soul spirit is BOUND in SIN

Satan is the source of SIN = Genesis ch3

Psalm 51
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
And in sin my mother conceived me.
Behold, You desire truth in the inward parts,
And in the hidden part You will make me to know wisdom.

Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—