Do you believe that The Father AND The HS AND Christ (in some form) pre-existed creation ?
You are quoting from your Creed playbook. There is no adopted spiritual playbook that I believe in, and I never will my friend.
Here's some key points that you can carry with you after this session, to maybe reflect upon, as to why some do not believe as you do.
1. Adherents of the Nicene Creed, as I'm not of them, make Scripture untenable to understand particularly from those that emphasize sola scriptura and reject creedal authority.
2. Some argue as I do, that the Nicene Creed introduces philosophical concepts—such as "homoousios" (consubstantial)—that are not explicitly or even inferred in Scripture and thus obscure or distort biblical teaching.
3. They also contend, as I do, that the creed's use of Greek philosophical categories, like ousia (essence) and hypostasis (person), creates a metaphysical framework that is foreign to the biblical narrative and can lead to a misunderstanding of God's nature.
4. That the creed's formulation of the Trinity—defining the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as one being in substance—can undermine the biblical portrayal of the true Father and Son.
5. That the original creed's emphasis on divine unity, while intended to combat heresies like Arianism, has led to a loss of clarity about the nature of God, the Father and his Son.
6. The creed's language, particularly in its later formulations, can be unintelligible or alienating to modern believers, leading to a mechanical recitation without genuine comprehension.
7. From the previous point, this can result in a disconnect between the creed's words and the lived faith of individuals, making it difficult to see how the creed supports or clarifies Scripture. In this view, the creed becomes a barrier rather than a bridge to understanding the Bible.
And on this last point, we are seeing this scripture block or filtering action present now, as I write on these forums today.
It will never subside, until this creed is reevaluated truly alongside scripture. The two are far apart and never complimentary in thought for true belief.
Thus, the response to your question is clearly no. The Father possessing His own (holy) Spirit is the origin of all life beyond time and space, and His Son was first established in his Father's word/logos, to be created through the same Father's word/logos at the right moment in time, for our salvation.
The Son, as a man, was baptized as a symbol of his readiness to offer his pure spirit as an unblemished lamb, demonstrating true humility and obedience to his Father's will, marking the start of his divine mission toward the Cross. Immediately after, He was anointed by equipping the Son with His Father's word and Spirit.
I hope this gives you a clearer picture as to why I cannot agree with you on your affirmation statement.
