Ammillennialism's illegitimate redefining and switching around of the meaning of Greek words and biblical concepts

[David in NJ]

Except you don't realize that Christ can be the first resurrection, and then when one is bodily raised 2000 years later, that it still makes them having part in the first resurrection. But for some bizarre reason Amils think that can only be true if a spiritual resurrection pertaining to the here and now is the only way one can have part in the first resurrection. And that when the saved are bodily raised, that does not equal having part in the first resurrection.

Spiritual resurrection pertaining to the here and now equals having part in the first resurrection.

A bodily resurrection in the future does not equal having part in the first resurrection.

Except you don't realize that Christ can be the first resurrection, and then when one is bodily raised 2000 years later, that it still makes them having part in the first resurrection.

100% TRUTH if you change the words "can be" to "is"

TRUTH = "CHRIST is the First Resurrection"

But for some bizarre reason Amils think that can only be true if a spiritual resurrection pertaining to the here and now is the only way one can have part in the first resurrection.

You made a BIG OOPS and @WPM and @Spiritual Israelite will pounce on your OOPS

And that when the saved are bodily raised, that does not equal having part in the first resurrection.

This is amil ERROR = amils BIG OOPS

 

[Lizbeth]

LOVE your post and i AGREE with much of it = Thank You and Good Morning

LOVE this Truth which you spoke = "believe we need to understand Rev through the lens of all the scrips that came before it"

The first Script/Scripture given to us is Genesis which is the Foundation for all Truth that will follow = Revelation is dependent upon Genesis
JESUS established this Fact in His Gospel.

Before Genesis, you should go to the Gospel by which we are Saved = "All that the FATHER gives ME i will Raise UP on the Last Day"
These words of CHRIST are from Genesis and are the Foundation for Revelation and understanding chapters 19 and 20

Concerning Israel of the flesh, the Jews, they are in Darkness under Condemnation and will not be Restored and brought into CHRIST until His Second Coming = Matthew chapters 21-23 , Romans chapters 9 thru 11

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

SHALOM

Every Jew who says blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord and accepts Him, does see Him, because He is revealed to their hearts. If a national revival were to take place, that would be so wonderful, but in the meantime, it is one soul at a time.

I wonder if a key to understanding Rev is to realize that much of what was prophesied was to the Jew FIRST then the Gentile. Things which "were shortly to take place' in the first century already were fulfilled and did happen, culminating in 70 AD.......Jerusalem was the Mystery Babylon of that era which was judged.....but then the same pattern of prophecy would in the end of this age happen again to the Gentiles.

 

[David in NJ]

Every Jew who says blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord and accepts Him, does see Him, because He is revealed to their hearts. If a national revival were to take place, that would be so wonderful, but in the meantime, it is one soul at a time.

HalleluYAH

Where does the FATHER place the Jew when they come to CHRIST???

The same Place where HE places the Gentile = in CHRIST - Galatians chapter 3

Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.”
So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

I wonder if a key to understanding Rev is to realize that much of what was prophesied was to the Jew FIRST then the Gentile. Things which "were shortly to take place' in the first century already were fulfilled and did happen, culminating in 70 AD.......

"much of what happened" is correct = BUT not ALL

Jerusalem was the Mystery Babylon of that era which was judged.....but then the same pattern of prophecy would in the end of this age happen again to the Gentiles.

The SAME Pattern of Prophecy will continue to the End until ALL is Fulfilled = AMEN

Prophecy/Gospel culminates with the Second Coming of CHRIST
this is why GOD brought the Jews back to the land of Israel in 1948 = the Fig Tree

Matt 24:32 - Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its branches become tender and sprout leaves, you know that summer is near.

@Archie @VictoryinJesus

amil is false man-made doctrine as is "satan's little season is taking place now"

 

[rwb]

Except you don't realize that Christ can be the first resurrection, and then when one is bodily raised 2000 years later, that it still makes them having part in the first resurrection

If we don't have part in the life of Christ, who is the "first resurrection" before we physically die, then our death is in unbelief! Then at the end of days when Christ returns, we will NOT be physically resurrected to life in Christ, or to have part in Christ's resurrected life (the first resurrection), we will be bodily resurrected to damnation! It will indeed be the first physical resurrection for those who die in unbelief, but their physical resurrection in mortal body is not for life in Christ but resurrected for damnation.

But for some bizarre reason Amils think that can only be true if a spiritual resurrection pertaining to the here and now is the only way one can have part in the first resurrection. And that when the saved are bodily raised, that does not equal having part in the first resurrection.

It is not a spiritual resurrection before we die that assures we have overcome the second death. It is a spiritual awakening/quickening by being born again that does! The spirit of man that gives us natural, mortal life is not altogether without life, needed to be resurrected. Rather our natural spirit is altogether natural, of this earth, without the SUPERNATURAL SPIRIT! That's why Paul does not say "you who were DEAD", rather he says, "you who were dead in trespasses and sins". Apart from Christ's Spirit in us we (our spirit) remain condemned to die! We cannot naturally overcome this condemnation of death ordained for every man. We only overcome this condemnation supernaturally, through the power of God. When our spirit giving mortal life to our natural body is indwelt supernaturally with the Spirit of Christ when man is born again, we have spiritually not physically passed from death to life through Christ. Our natural spirit after being born again is no longer "dead in trespasses and sins", but has eternal life that can NEVER be lost or die.

Spiritual resurrection pertaining to the here and now equals having part in the first resurrection.

NO! Spiritual re-birth, not resurrection of the dead...."Ye MUST be born again" is the only way man may partake of Christ who is the first resurrection physically to never die again. Resurrection is not for those who are naturally alive! Resurrection is for THE DEAD, both spiritually and naturally. When we are supernaturally born again, our spirit HAS ETERNAL LIFE! That's why only our mortal body of flesh needs to be resurrected immortal and incorruptible through our born-again eternal spirit that returns with Christ on the last day.

Once more! The spiritual rebirth we attain the moment we believe and are eternally saved is how we have part in the resurrection life through Christ's physical resurrection, the first resurrection from the dead.

And still Amil makes no sense, since Amil implies that only a spiritual resurrection pertaining to the here and now equals having part in the first resurrection

This is how you have become so confused! No, not a spiritual resurrection David! A spiritual re-birth when our natural spirit is indwelt with supernatural spirit life through the Spirit of Christ dwelling in us. For the zillionth time now, the only way the spirit of man might be delivered from being dead in trespasses and sins is to have your sins and transgressions covered by having part in the resurrection life of Christ before we physically die.

 

[WPM]

It is not a spiritual resurrection before we die that assures we have overcome the second death. It is a spiritual awakening/quickening by being born again that does!

Same thing - raising us from spiritual death unto spiritual life. That is how God raises the dead.

A spiritual re-birth when our natural spirit is indwelt with supernatural spirit life through the Spirit of Christ dwelling in us.

Spiritual resurrection, produces a spiritual new birth.

 

[David in NJ]

Every Jew who says blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord and accepts Him, does see Him, because He is revealed to their hearts. If a national revival were to take place, that would be so wonderful, but in the meantime, it is one soul at a time.

I wonder if a key to understanding Rev is to realize that much of what was prophesied was to the Jew FIRST then the Gentile. Things which "were shortly to take place' in the first century already were fulfilled and did happen, culminating in 70 AD.......Jerusalem was the Mystery Babylon of that era which was judged.....but then the same pattern of prophecy would in the end of this age happen again to the Gentiles.

also = Mystery Babylon of Revelation encompasses the whole world = 1 John 5:19

We know that we are of God, and that the whole world is under the power of the evil one.

 

[David in NJ]

Same thing - raising us from spiritual death unto spiritual life. That is how God raises the dead.

@rwb

"raising us from spiritual death unto spiritual life."

That is how God raises the spiritually dead ( fixed it for you ) = the dead bodies in the earth, of the Saints, will be Resurrected as well

And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience. 3All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.

4But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved! 6And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus.

But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised.

 

[WPM]

The Amil failure to interpret Revelation 20:4-6 correctly lies in the fact that

(a) their interpretation of Revelation 20:4 has the verse talking about souls who have life [zoe] in Christ instead of what the verse says - that they were alive [zao].

They have illegitimately switched around the two Greek words, which mean two different things, to force the verse to comply with their false doctrine; and
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Revelation 20:4 says, “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them; and I saw the souls of them that were (1) beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and (2) which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived [Gr. zaō] and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”

This is not describing salvation or eternal life. What Amillennialist has ever taught that?

This scene takes us into the invisible eternal realm to show us what happens to believers after death. This is talking about the intermediate state. This is a heavenly scene. It is a picture of the disembodied souls reigning now with Christ after physical death.

This text is highlighting that since salvation death has no hold over the believer – physically or spiritually. Christ has completely defeated it. The grave has been conquered. Hades has been defeated. Eternal punishment has been overcome.

The fact is, the redeemed do not need to wait until the general resurrection until they live and reign. They live and reign in life and they live and reign in death. Even upon physical death their spirits go immediately into the presence of God where they live and reign with Christ during this kingdom age. For the wicked it is different. They are spiritually dead in this life, they are dead when they pass out of this life, and they will experience eternal death after the judgment. Death to them is an ongoing eternal reality.

 

[rwb]

Same thing - raising us from spiritual death unto spiritual life. That is how God raises the dead.



Spiritual resurrection, produces a spiritual new birth.

I must disagree! It is not spiritual resurrection that produces new birth. It is new birth that changes man's natural spirit through the supernatural Holy Spirit of Christ in us. Christ does not say we must be resurrected to both know and enter the Kingdom of God. He says we must be born again! That is not resurrection, rather it is receiving the supernatural Spirit of Christ who takes us from being dead in trespasses and sins to being spiritually alive in Christ. The Spirit sent from Christ does not resurrect our natural living spirit, rather He makes it alive to understand the things of God. That's why Paul writes "quickened" in reference to spiritual life rather than resurrection. The Spirit indwells to re-vitalize the natural spirit giving man physical life that before was spiritually speaking destined to death being natural dead in trespasses and sins. It is only by having spiritual discernment through the Spirit of Christ in us that man is born again and both knows and enters the Kingdom of God in heaven through the Spirit of Christ in us.

John 6:63 (KJV) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 Corinthians 15:45 (KJV) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

2 Corinthians 3:6 (KJV) Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

For this reason man is not spiritually resurrected to overcome the second death but is born again!

 

[WPM]

I must disagree! It is not spiritual resurrection that produces new birth. It is new birth that changes man's natural spirit through the supernatural Holy Spirit of Christ in us. Christ does not say we must be resurrected to both know and enter the Kingdom of God. He says we must be born again! That is not resurrection, rather it is receiving the supernatural Spirit of Christ who takes us from being dead in trespasses and sins to being spiritually alive in Christ. The Spirit sent from Christ does not resurrect our natural living spirit, rather He makes it alive to understand the things of God. That's why Paul writes "quickened" in reference to spiritual life rather than resurrection. The Spirit indwells to re-vitalize the natural spirit giving man physical life that before was spiritually speaking destined to death being natural dead in trespasses and sins. It is only by having spiritual discernment through the Spirit of Christ in us that man is born again and both knows and enters the Kingdom of God in heaven through the Spirit of Christ in us.

John 6:63 (KJV) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 Corinthians 15:45 (KJV) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

2 Corinthians 3:6 (KJV) Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

For this reason man is not spiritually resurrected to overcome the second death but is born again!

Man before salvation is spiritual dead. It is the quickening power of Christ's Word that perfects a spiritual resurrection which produces a new birth and eternal life.

Are we spiritually dead or alive before salvation?

The answer of course is “dead.” We are all “dead in sin” before conversion as a result of the Fall. Therefore, we all automatically inherit that fallen nature through our federal head Adam by our first birth.

In order to shift from this awful state of death to life we must first hear the quickening or life-giving voice of the Lord and then experience the joy of spiritual resurrection. By being raised from the grave of sin and debauchery we experience newness of life (or are born from above). It is the resurrection of the spirit into a state of communion with God that causes the new birth. When resurrected our spirits are brought from death to life, this causes a new birth in our being. A human being consists of body, soul and spirit. It is the spirit that is dead unto God before salvation that is (1) quickened (2) resurrected from its death that (3) begets life and therefore a new nature or the spiritual man.

Basically:

1. The spiritual corpse must first be quickened by the supernatural voice of God (zōopoieō or suzōopoieō).
2. This causes a spiritual resurrection (egeiro or anastasis)
3. This then brings spiritual life to the sinner (zao).

For someone to move from death unto life requires resurrection (whether natural or spiritual). The human being’s spirit is dead toward the things of God. before conversion. Man from the Fall has been imprisoned in darkness and the grave. He needs God’s help to release him. That part of him that fell in the Fall and which was in perfect communion with God was turned around in the opposite direction to be at total enmity with Him. Without a resurrection the spiritual man within us remains at total variance to God. That spirit needs quickened and brought back into union and communion with God. This only occurs through spiritual resurrection.

Whilst the ungodly have a spirit, prior to salvation, it is separated from God and dead toward the things of God. The new birth is essentially the result of the restoring of the relationship between our spirits and God’s through God’s quickening and resurrection power. The Holy Spirit comes to dwell in us upon salvation and enables us to enter into fellowship with God, which was broken through the Fall. When Scripture says we were “dead in sin” it means we were spiritually dead or dead in a spiritual sense. No one would surely argue that the concepts of being born and of being resurrected whilst being different spiritual metaphors both relate to conversion and both speak of what salvation entails.

The new birth (or second birth) represents the creation of an altogether new life in the individual, which wasn’t hitherto there. The element within us that prevented that life from being realized was a spirit that was at enmity to God through the Fall. Before the new birth can be experienced, a spiritual resurrection must sovereignly be activated by the Lord. Man needs divine intervention to raise him from his awful spiritual condition and eternal death (the second death). The means by which God perfects this is by the first resurrection, which brings life. It is the resurrection of the spirit that causes the new birth. We are raised out of our spiritual death. Regeneration involves a spiritual resurrection which causes a spiritual new birth. That is undeniable from studying Scripture.

 

[David in NJ]

Revelation 20:4 says, “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them; and I saw the souls of them that were (1) beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and (2) which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived [Gr. zaō] and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”

This is not describing salvation or eternal life. What Amillennialist has ever taught that?

This scene takes us into the invisible eternal realm to show us what happens to believers after death. This is talking about the intermediate state. This is a heavenly scene. It is a picture of the disembodied souls reigning now with Christ after physical death.

This text is highlighting that since salvation death has no hold over the believer – physically or spiritually. Christ has completely defeated it. The grave has been conquered. Hades has been defeated. Eternal punishment has been overcome.

The fact is, the redeemed do not need to wait until the general resurrection until they live and reign. They live and reign in life and they live and reign in death. Even upon physical death their spirits go immediately into the presence of God where they live and reign with Christ during this kingdom age. For the wicked it is different. They are spiritually dead in this life, they are dead when they pass out of this life, and they will experience eternal death after the judgment. Death to them is an ongoing eternal reality.

You are in DANGER

You and the amils are not sitting on thrones = you are on earth.

Your religion blinds you to the very TRUTH of God's words as you continue to add and take away from his words.

And to the one who overcomes and continues in My work until the end, I will give authority over the nations.
He will rule them with an iron scepter and shatter them like pottery—just as I have received authority from My Father.
And I will give him the morning star.
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.

He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!

 

[WPM]

You are in DANGER

You and the amils are not sitting on a thrones = you are on earth.

Your religion blinds you to the very TRUTH of God's words as you continue to add and take away from his words.

And to the one who overcomes and continues in My work until the end, I will give authority over the nations.
He will rule them with an iron scepter and shatter them like pottery—just as I have received authority from My Father.
And I will give him the morning star.
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.

He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!

Read what I wrote instead of what you think I wrote. I was speaking about the dead in Christ. And, by the way, we are kings and priests today on this earth.

 

[David in NJ]

Every Jew who says blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord and accepts Him, does see Him, because He is revealed to their hearts. If a national revival were to take place, that would be so wonderful, but in the meantime, it is one soul at a time.

I wonder if a key to understanding Rev is to realize that much of what was prophesied was to the Jew FIRST then the Gentile. Things which "were shortly to take place' in the first century already were fulfilled and did happen, culminating in 70 AD.......Jerusalem was the Mystery Babylon of that era which was judged.....but then the same pattern of prophecy would in the end of this age happen again to the Gentiles.

The SAME Pattern of Prophecy will continue to the End until ALL is Fulfilled = AMEN

Prophecy/Gospel culminates with the Second Coming of CHRIST
this is why GOD brought the Jews back to the land of Israel in 1948 = the Fig Tree

Matt 24:32 - Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its branches become tender and sprout leaves, you know that summer is near.

@Archie @VictoryinJesus

amil is false man-made doctrine as is "satan's little season is taking place now"

 

[Marty fox]

You are in DANGER

You and the amils are not sitting on a thrones = you are on earth.

Your religion blinds you to the very TRUTH of God's words as you continue to add and take away from his words.

And to the one who overcomes and continues in My work until the end, I will give authority over the nations.
He will rule them with an iron scepter and shatter them like pottery—just as I have received authority from My Father.
And I will give him the morning star.
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.

He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!

Well Paul disagrees with you as he wrote these words to Christians living on the earth in his day

Ephesians 2:6
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

 

[Marty fox]

The SAME Pattern of Prophecy will continue to the End until ALL is Fulfilled = AMEN

Prophecy/Gospel culminates with the Second Coming of CHRIST
this is why GOD brought the Jews back to the land of Israel in 1948 = the Fig Tree

Matt 24:32 - Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its branches become tender and sprout leaves, you know that summer is near.

@Archie @VictoryinJesus

amil is false man-made doctrine as is "satan's little season is taking place now"

Did God bring the Jews back to the land of Israel or was that mans doing?

Israel was restored when they turned back to God in the Old Testament and that didn't happen in 1948.

Israel lived in peace when they turned back to God in the Old Testament that also didn't happen back in 1948 and they still don't have peace today.

Isreal was still a Christ rejecting nation back in 1948 who persecuted Christians and shut down Christian churches when they took the land back is that Gods doing?

I'm not anti-Israel at all just stating the facts.

 

[David in NJ]

Read what I wrote instead of what you think I wrote. I was speaking about the dead in Christ. And, by the way, we are kings and priests today on this earth.

i KNOW we are kings and priest = in the Spirit , while we are on this earth

I was speaking about the dead in Christ.

in ERROR

This text is highlighting that since salvation death has no hold over the believer – physically or spiritually

You mixed truth with error

Physical DEATH remains in our bodies = people are dying everyday = both SAVED and the unsaved

Only our spirits escape eternal damnation IF we are in CHRIST

The FACT is GOD is patiently waiting until ALL whom HE desires is Placed in CHRIST for the Resurrection from the graves on earth.

For the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down — he who accuses them day and night before our God.
They have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony.
And they did not love their lives unto death.


Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints, who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write,
“Blessed are the dead—those who die in the Lord from this moment on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labors, for their deeds will follow them.”

 

[David in NJ]

Well Paul disagrees with you as he wrote these words to Christians living on the earth in his day

Ephesians 2:6
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

Marty = SEE Post 147

which was posted 2 hours before your comment

 

[claninja]

Amillenialism's illegitimate redefining and switching around of the meaning of Greek words and biblical concepts is the reason why they double down with their false doctrine when faced with posts like THIS one.

Greek Septuagint translation of Genesis 2:7: καὶ ἔπλασεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν ἄνθρωπον χοῦν ἀπὸ τῆς γῆς καὶ ἐνεφύσησεν εἰς τὸ πρόσωπον αὐτοῦ πνοὴν ζωῆς καὶ ἐγένετο ὁ ἄνθρωπος εἰς ψυχὴν ζῶσαν.

The words in English: "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life [zoe]; and man became a living [zao] soul [psuche]."

(The Greek word used for “living” in Genesis 2:7 in the Septuagint is ζῶσαν (zōsan), which is derived from the root verb ζάω [zaō] ) *

* zaō means to live, breathe, be among the living (not lifeless, not dead) (from Thayer's Greek Lexicon).

Note: Genesis 2:7 tells us that the source of being alive [zao], is life [zoe] - the source of which is God.​

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There is only one Spirit who is the source of life [zoe], by which human beings can live | be alive [zao].
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In the New Testament eternal life is always called "zoe aionios (life eternal). The Greek texts of the New Testament never call eternal life "zao aionios" (alive forever). To be alive forever is to be immortal, the source of which is eternal life [zoe], the source of which, is God.

Paul wrote:

"There is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we IN HIM; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we BY him." (1 Corinthians 8:6);

and:

"In Him (God) we live | are alive [zao], and move, and have our being; For we are also his offspring." (Acts 17:28).

* The One God who exists from eternity unto eternity is a Spirit (John 4:24) and the source of all existence, and all life [zoe]. The life [zoe] that is in Him is eternal life [zoe aionios].

* God alone has/possesses life [zoe] in Himself (John 1:4; John 5:26).

Have you ever heard someone say, "I have eternal life because God has given me eternal life"?

Eternal life [zoe] never becomes something we possess IN OURSELVES: Of all human beings ever to have walked on the earth since Adam and Eve, only to the Son of God (the Man, Jesus Christ) has it been given by God to have eternal life [zoe] in Himself (1 John 5:11-12 & John 5:26).

Eternal life [zoe] is given IN Christ Jesus to the seed of created human beings (1 John 5:11-12; John 1:4; John 5:26; John 14:6; Colossians 3:4).​

THE BIBLE EXPLICITLY GIVES THE REASON CHRIST DIED AND ROSE AGAIN

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Romans 14:9
--- "For this reason Christ died [apothnesko] and rose again from the dead [anistemi], and lived again [anazao], so that he may be the Lord of both the dead [nekros] and living [zao: those who are alive, not dead]." ---​

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"Fear not; I am the first and the last:
I am he that is alive / that liveth [zao],
and was dead;
and, behold, I am alive [zao] to the ages of the ages, Amen;
and I have the keys of hades and of death."
(Revelation 1:17-18)

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"If Christ's Spirit is in you,

1. your body is dead [G3498 nekros] because of sin, but the Spirit (of Christ) is your (eternal) life [zoe] because of (Christ's) righteousness.

2. Moreover, if the Spirit of the one who raised [egeiro] Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised [egeiro] Christ from the dead will also quicken [zōopoiéō] your mortal bodies through his Spirit who lives in you." (Romans 8:10-11).

Notice how Paul is talking both about the everlasting life [zoe] of the Spirit of life AND of our lack of everlasting bodily life [zao] in Romans 8:10-11 ?
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The New Testament does not say it has "been given to us to be alive [zao] in Christ" without mentioning the source of being alive. It says that though we are dead, we will be alive [zao] in our bodies (following our bodily resurrection from the dead) because we have been given eternal life [zoe] in Christ (who alone has life - zoe - in Himself) - which is what Jesus said to Martha.

THE AMILLENNIAL FAIL WITH REVELATION 20:4​

The Amil failure to interpret Revelation 20:4-6 correctly lies in the fact that

(a) their interpretation of Revelation 20:4 has the verse talking about souls who have life [zoe] in Christ instead of what the verse says - that they were alive [zao].

They have illegitimately switched around the two Greek words, which mean two different things, to force the verse to comply with their false doctrine; and

(b) their illegitimate interpretation of the bodily resurrection (anastasis) mentioned in verses 5 and 6 as the reason for those who were beheaded being alive [zao], as either

(i) talking about a "spiritual resurrection" or "quickening" - despite, and ignoring the fact that the word anastasis is always talking about a bodily resurrection from the dead and nothing else wherever the word is found in the rest of the New Testament; or

(ii) asserting that the souls being spoken about were alive [zao] in Christ.

The second part of their assertion is the most ludicrous because in terms of the only meaning of the Greek word zao it has the souls of people who had been given eternal life [zoe aionios] in Christ and who had been alive [zao] in their own bodies before they were beheaded, now being alive [zao] with Christ in His body instead of in their own bodies.

It is because of Amillenialism's illegitimate switching around and changing of the meaning of Greek words zoe and zao and the biblical concepts that they talk about,

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I mean, from a thematic and narrative standpoint, I actually agree with you regarding the lexical definitions in Revelation 20. If we appeal to Thayer, the lexicon does indeed define ζάω in the context of Revelation 20:4–5 as being restored to life from a state of death—that is, a return to life in contrast to being dead.

As Thayer notes (citing Meyer):

“Equivalent to to be no longer dead, to recover life, be restored to life … opposed to νεκρός … ἔζησεν, came to life, lived again … Revelation 20:4, 5.”

Lexically speaking, ζάω in this passage does carry resurrection language. On that point, there is no dispute. But this is precisely where the real interpretive question lies—and it is the one your argument must actually address. Revelation 20 is a vision. The decisive issue is not what ζάω can mean lexically, but how the vision itself is intended to communicate meaning.


So the question is this:
Is Revelation 20 meant to be read as a rigidly literal description of physical events, or as a symbolic apocalyptic vision using concrete imagery to convey theological realities?

If the vision is intended to be read in a strictly literal manner, then yes—your conclusion follows. But if the vision is symbolic, then the mere presence of resurrection language does not, by itself, demand a literal, physical resurrection at that point in redemptive history.

In other words, the lexical meaning of ζάω does not settle the debate. Apocalyptic literature regularly employs the language of life, death, resurrection, thrones, and reigns symbolically, even when the terms themselves are quite concrete.

Thus, while the thematic narrative of the vision depicts the dead “living” and reigning with Christ for a thousand years, the interpretive question remains whether that “living” must be pressed into a literal, physical framework—or whether it functions symbolically within the visionary genre of Revelation.


That is the issue that must be addressed.

 

[David in NJ]

Did God bring the Jews back to the land of Israel or was that mans doing?

JESUS Says it was His Doing = it is BEST to believe JESUS instead of relying on your intellect

For without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please GOD = Hebrews ch11

Isreal was still a Christ rejecting nation back in 1948 who persecuted Christians and shut down Christian churches when they took the land back is that Gods doing?
I'm not anti-Israel at all just stating the facts.

And these facts you stated are 100% CORRECT = always believe the facts that AGREE with the WORD

SHALOM Marty = in the TRUTH = Thy Word is TRUTH"

 

[David in NJ]

Did God bring the Jews back to the land of Israel or was that mans doing?

Israel was restored when they turned back to God in the Old Testament and that didn't happen in 1948.

Israel lived in peace when they turned back to God in the Old Testament that also didn't happen back in 1948 and they still don't have peace today.

Isreal was still a Christ rejecting nation back in 1948 who persecuted Christians and shut down Christian churches when they took the land back is that Gods doing?

I'm not anti-Israel at all just stating the facts.

JESUS brought the Jews back to the land of Israel which belongs to GOD = GOD holds the Title Deed, not the Jews

JESUS brought them back so that HE can Judge them in Israel just as HE did in times past = King Nebuchadnezzar/Babylon