How many former Catholics are here?

[quietthinker]

Read the OP, it's only asking about former catholics

grasping at straws is a sign of.....

 

[Rockerduck]

Well most baptists follow the false doctrine of so called "once saved always saved" so they can continue living in sin and try and believe they are still saved.

I've known people who claim to be committed catholics and they too enjoy living in sin while trying to believe they are saved.

Both camps are in serious error.

You lack understanding of the chastisement of God for His people who sin. If the Lord has not disciplined you, you are not His. OSAS does not give a license to sin, quite the opposite. If you haven't been disciplined by God, you need to have a talk with Jesus. I have been disciplined by God. I fear the Lord and His righteous ways of conforming me to His will. Step neither to left or to the right, stay in His will.

Hebrews 12:4-8 -
You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin. 5 And you have forgotten the exhortation, which is addressed to you as sons,

“My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord,
Nor faint when you are reproved by Him.
6 For those whom the Lord loves He disciplines,
And He flogs every son whom He receives.”
7 It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8 But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

grasping at straws is a sign of.....

No really, the OP is talking about former catholics only.

OSAS does not give a license to sin

Funny how all the OSAS people have sin in their lives.

They even go around very proudly proclaiming to all that they are still sinners!

If someone continually tells everyone they are a sinner, then why get upset when others call you out for being a sinner?

A sinner is someone who knows to do good but does it not

James 4:17
to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

I fear the Lord and His righteous ways of conforming me to His will.

You believe God is FORCING people to conform to His will?

If so, then that is the claim that it's God's fault for those who are not in His will which comes from the false doctrines of calvinism

I have been disciplined by God.

Did you get cancer? Car wreck? Lose your job?

Yeah please tell how you think the Lord disciplined you.

This ought to be good

 

[quietthinker]

No really, the OP is talking about former catholics only.





Funny how all the OSAS people have sin in their lives.

They even go around very proudly proclaiming to all that they are still sinners! View attachment 75650

If someone continually tells everyone they are a sinner, then why get upset when others call you out for being a sinner?

A sinner is someone who knows to do good but does it not

James 4:17
to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.





You believe God is FORCING people to conform to His will?

If so, then that is the claim that it's God's fault for those who are not in His will which comes from the false doctrines of calvinism





Did you get cancer? Car wreck? Lose your job?

Yeah please tell how you think the Lord disciplined you.

This ought to be good

Your self righteousness is odious.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Your self righteousness is odious.

Says the guy that apparently didn't notice the original post is asking about former catholics.

You got caught not knowing what you're talking about about and cannot admit it due to your pride.

 

[Hazelelponi]

You got caught not knowing what you're talking about about and cannot admit it due to your pride.

I am not following your conversation much but the thread was looking for former adherents to Rome who might be able to lend a hand to assist a brand new Christian with an Islamic background (like myself) who could lend a hand in teaching this brand new Christian why he may not want to join the RCC, all things considered.

The OP creator was hoping for a joint effort.

That does open the door to conversation, generally speaking.

 

[Brakelite]

I’d like to know how spiritual beings that are not flesh and blood can be destroyed. I don’t believe they can; they can only be contained. And that is exactly what Jude 1:6 and 2 Peter 2:4 say of the angels that sinned and are kept in “eternal” chains under gloomy darkness.

All things are possible to God. He created, He can destroy. Unless you want to place limitations on His power.

The Holy Spirit is God and can give authoritative instructions to Christians. And the church was given authority to bind and loose anything on earth and in heaven.

That's called overreach. It has been constantly used by your church to justify sending people to hell, altering the political landscape of nations, and changing God's laws. God did not give you authority to be God.

 

[David in NJ]

Ecumenicalism is about understanding and cooperating with true unity as a potential effect for some groups. It has nothing to do with works and it is certainly not a religion.

Nothing wrong with working together as you stated = we need more of that in the world.

Th ecumenicalism that we are to be careful of is that which brings people together for ungodly purposes.

 

[David in NJ]

I have not heard of much of that. I do agree that unity for its own sake is an issue. Some have been forced by their groups in choosing between maintaining the faith or staying and going against it. I grew up in a denomination that just some years back wanted to worship homosexuality, women pastors, etc. My childhood church said - nuh uh and voted to go independent with many others.

Great

Another even MORE Dangerous is the coming Mark of the Beast, which the technology is here now and we are being prepped for it.

Example of the DANGER:
John McArthur, now deceased, preached that a person can be forgiven should they take the Mark of the Beast.

That will send people to HELL, of which they will never get out.
GOD said all who receive the Mark will suffer GOD's Wrath = FOREVER

And a third angel followed them, calling out in a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand, he too will drink the wine of God’s anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever. Day and night there is no rest for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

 

[HealthyShape]

That's called overreach. It has been constantly used by your church to justify sending people to hell, altering the political landscape of nations, and changing God's laws. God did not give you authority to be God.

What my church? And it is just what Christ said.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Where are the specifically Roman dogmas in scripture?

No – I asked YOU first.

I asked YOU to show me where the following Protestant traditions/doctrines are taught in Scripture – and you are NOT going to run away from this like you usually do . . .

Sola Scriptura?
OSAS?
Infant Dedications?
Denominations?

It could have easily been in the LXX and the original Aramaic/Hebrew. Nice try.

WRONG.
Neither version contains this Oral Tradition.

Ummm, that's whay it's called, "ORAL" Tadition . . .

Yes, but the verse has been revised into a young woman shall conceive. Nice try again.

No – it wasn’t revised to say that.

It was revised to say “a virgin shall conceive”. - because of the obvious context.

A question about a violation of Church and State is paranoid? Get used to conspiracy fact.

There are some 65-70 million Catholics in the United States, which is about 22% of the population.

The idea that I must be here on an R-1 Visa because of my Catholic beliefs is absolutely paranoid . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

But as a fully fledged paid up card carrying member of the Knights of Columbus, your loyalties do not lie with the place where you are born. Your loyalties are with a foreign power which is an enemy to the United States of America and seeks it's servitude to Papal authority.

Here we go again tithe your usual paranoid SDA anti-Catholic drivel . . .

This is the very SAME ignorant and asinine mind-set that sank the presidential campaign of Al Smith in 1928 – and almost torpedoed John F. Kennedy in 1960. Catholics are under NO obligation to be political followers of the Pope. His role is one moral and spiritual leadership.

As for the Knights of Columbus - one of the 3 tenets of the K of C is Patriotism, along with Charity and Fraternity. This noble charity organization was born here in the United States because of the shameful treatment of Catholic widows by hateful hypocrites like YOU. Fr. Michael McGiveney witnessed this abhorrent treatment of his parishioners and organized the young men in his parish to come to their aid.

It has since become one of the largest charitable organizations and pro-life advocates on the planet.
I suggest you do your homework . . .

 

[David in NJ]

I am not following your conversation much but the thread was looking for former adherents to Rome who might be able to lend a hand to assist a brand new Christian with an Islamic background (like myself) who could lend a hand in teaching this brand new Christian why he may not want to join the RCC, all things considered.

The OP creator was hoping for a joint effort.

That does open the door to conversation, generally speaking.

Thi sformer Catholic has been reaching out to you = in TRUTH and LOVE from our Heavenly FATHER's WORD

 

[amigo de christo]

grasping at straws is a sign of.....

Ecumenical interfaith . Thanks for the question . they grasp at the winds of vainity .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Which are adhered to above Scripture.

Really??
Can you show me that teaching in the Catechism??

Not only is this a complete and total LIIE – the Catholic Church teaches against the idea that ANY document is “above” Scripture. I think you know this – but it is good fodder for the SDA cult to use when seducing unsatisfied ex-Catholics to their flock . . .

Rev. 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Until the church goes into apostasy. So long as the church abides in Him.

That can’t happen – unless YOU believe Jesus is a Liar . . .

- Jesus is Truth itself (John 14:6).
- The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
- Jesus promised His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide her to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).
- Jesus guaranteed that His Church would NOT succumb to darkness (Matt. 16:18).

Good luck telling Jesus He's a "Liar"at your Judgement . . .

Interesting you promote the correct idea that OSAS is an erroneous doctrine when applied to other churches, but demand it's truthful when applied to your own.

Another SDA LIE – what a surprise . . .

The Catholic Church absolutely does NOT teach this - and I challenge you to show me this in the Catechism.

 

[BreadOfLife]

@BreadOfLife @Chihuahua If I wanted to know how to be saved and be assured of a place in God's Kingdom, what path would I take? What is the complete plan of salvation in the Catholic Church?

I’ve been sick in bed for the last week and I just saw this.
The short answer is:

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

The longer answer is that the Scriptures assure us that as Christians are already saved (Rom. 5:1, 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8). This is initial salvation – God give us the initial grace to believe.

However, because Salvation is a LIFELONG process – it also says we are being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14). This is ongoing sanctification – God is sanctifying us throughout our life as we cooperate with his grace.

Because of this, I have the hope that I will be saved (Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).
This is final sanctification/salvation – we die and go to Heaven having endured to the end in faith

 

[BreadOfLife]

If you can provide me with a DNA sample from the Eucharist that is something other than wheat I will convert. Until then I will consider it unlawful to expect God to have us resort to a form of vampiric cannibalism for salvation.

Funny - that's exactly what the Early Christians were acused of - by the pagans (Minucius Felix, Octavius ch. 9 - late 2nd century).

Some things NEVER change . . .

 

[shepherdsword]

Funny - that's exactly what the Early Christians were acused of - by the pagans (Minucius Felix, Octavius ch. 9 - late 2nd century).

Some things NEVER change . . .

You are right...the definitions for cannibalism and vampirism never change.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You are right...the definitions for cannibalism and vampirism never change.

The catholics think they are cannibals and vampires but they aren't.

The just eating crackers and drinking wine or grape juice like everyone else.

But they have been deceived in to believing that onc e their priest does his like hocus pocus magic trick the crackers magically turn in to the actual flesh of the Lord, and the wine or grape juice magically turns in to the actual blood of Jesus

So they think they are literally eating a chunk of Jesus' flesh and drinking actual blood.

 

[amigo de christo]

I’ve been sick in bed for the last week and I just saw this.
The short answer is:

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

The longer answer is that the Scriptures assure us that as Christians are already saved (Rom. 5:1, 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8). This is initial salvation – God give us the initial grace to believe.

However, because Salvation is a LIFELONG process – it also says we are being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14). This is ongoing sanctification – God is sanctifying us throughout our life as we cooperate with his grace.

Because of this, I have the hope that I will be saved (Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).
This is final sanctification/salvation – we die and go to Heaven having endured to the end in faith

Now go and sin no more lest a worse thing come upon you .
ITS time for The preaching OF JESUS and an all out exodus outta sold out systems and churches .
bible time . Oh yeah , bible time .