How many former Catholics are here?

[Chihuahua]

You have a knack for introducing strawmen. Makes for colorful prose but useless for any meaningful conversation.

How is that a strawman? A strawman is an argument in which something or someone is falsely characterized, as you did, for the purpose of attacking their own creation instead of the point or person. That characterizes what you stated. Nothing you claimed has anything to do with Catholicism.

You probably came across the term by people pointing out our use of them.

 

[Chihuahua]

Now i SEE why you are in darkness
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My father/mother conceived me as deeply seated Roman Catholics.
As such i was baptized a RCC from infant.
Attended RCC schooling to 8th grade.
Attended church regularly.
Prayed the rosary beads, lighted candles, was confirmed for Communion and Confessional attendance/participation in faith.

i want to point out that i BELIEVED, in faith, in all that i was taught and participated in.

Since RCC can never do for the spirit of man what they claim = i naturally embraced sin in the world = Ephesians 2:1-3

At the age of 23 i met a former RCC family who invited me to their home to read the bible and pray.

Exactly as JESUS said = the Word is a Seed of LIFE that was planted in me from the Scriptures spoken thru Holy Spirit indwelt Vessels

The SEED of TRUTH was watered and it Sprung UP into LIFE as i was Born-Again/Anew = from ABOVE

Within a year i was water baptized and the BEST was when i was Baptized in the HOLY SPIRIT.

TODAY - i continually seek Truth as the Holy Spirit guides me into all Truth in the WORD.

Therefore i pray with understanding and also in the SPIRIT = HalleluYAH

In a lab I once took an extra large nitrile glove and put some water in it and dry ice that comes in shipping containers. I tied the opening for the wrist and put it over in the Microbiology department. It expanded slowly and exploded with a very loud noise.

 

[shepherdsword]

"Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ, which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the Flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, Flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes." - Saint Ignatius of Antioch (died early 2nd Century)

"Those indeed, who belong to God and to Jesus Christ—they are with the bishop. And those who repent and come to the unity of the Church—they too shall be of God. . . . Do not err my brethren: if anyone follow a schismatic, he will not inherit the Kingdom of God. . . . Take care, then, to use one Eucharist, so that whatever you do, you do according to God: for there is one flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ, and one cup in the union of His Blood; one altar as there is one bishop with the presbytery and my fellow servants, the deacons." - Saint Ignatius of Antioch (died early 2nd Century)

"...although all heretics want to be called 'Catholic,' when a stranger inquires where the Catholic Church meets, none of the heretics would dare to point out his own basilica or house". - Saint Augustus 397

If you can provide me with a DNA sample from the Eucharist that is something other than wheat I will convert. Until then I will consider it unlawful to expect God to have us resort to a form of vampiric cannibalism for salvation.

 

[Brakelite]

What are the Jesuits doing?

Living a double life.

So Catholics believe their loyalty is to the Pope and not Jesus?

Not the Pope. The church system.

whatever insane interpretation you personally came up with because God talked to you.

Make up your mind....

Alright, where does the Catholic Church teach that the Church or the leadership has more authority than Christ?

The Church does not teach that it is above Christ.

Then why did the church presume to have the authority to trample upon God's holy day the Sabbath, and replace it with the first day of the week without any justification from Scripture?

 

[HealthyShape]

Then why did the church presume to have the authority to trample upon God's holy day the Sabbath, and replace it with the first day of the week without any justification from Scripture?

I guess this can be asked about basically any Christian teaching that is different from the old Hebrew religion.

The authority is, in the end, based upon Christ - God in flesh. He taught the apostles, the apostles then even got the Holy Spirit to formulate some more specific instructions to Gentiles etc.

 

[Brakelite]

I guess this can be asked about basically any Christian teaching that is different from the old Hebrew religion.

The authority is, in the end, based upon Christ - God in flesh. He taught the apostles, the apostles then even got the Holy Spirit to formulate some more specific instructions to Gentiles etc.

Yes, although it must be stressed that none of those specifics contradicted anything Christ said or did. Sunday sacredness does.

 

[HealthyShape]

Yes, although it must be stressed that none of those specifics contradicted anything Christ said or did. Sunday sacredness does.

Because Christians are free to keep or to not keep any day they wish, Church has a freedom to establish any holidays or sacred days she wants.

However, forcing Christians to keep those days (no matter if it is Saturday or Sunday) or to make it a sin if somebody does not is contradicting the freedom we have.

 

[Brakelite]

Because Christians are free to keep or to not keep any day they wish, Church has a freedom to establish any holidays or sacred days she wants.

However, forcing Christians to keep those days (no matter if it is Saturday or Sunday) or to make it a sin if somebody does not is contradicting the freedom we have.

From whence did your authority come from to alter one of God's commandments that you could choose whatever day you like?

 

[Chihuahua]

If you can provide me with a DNA sample from the Eucharist that is something other than wheat I will convert. Until then I will consider it unlawful to expect God to have us resort to a form of vampiric cannibalism for salvation.

The Eucharist has the appearance of bread and wine yet the substance of the Resurrection. There were tests done on people before and after death, attempting to weigh the soul. No soul has been found despite all kinds of interesting tests.

Prots have reverted to Gnosticism which is a pagan invention that consistently reappears. Gnostics maintain that matter is evil and God can do nothing with His own creation in the saving process despite Christ being baptized and instructing us to eat His flesh. God did not "appear" as human, Gnostic-Christians say and deny the real Presence.

God can dwell among us as human, suffer and even die, but golly, the whole crackers and grape juice... that's silly. Do prots even listen to their own absurdities? He states it plainly. I do not believe that prot celebrations of cracker fellowship is anything more than a mockery of God. It would be better for you to celebrate your fellowship over donuts and coffee than mock God.

Jesus was not just kidding. You know the verses and you want to argue Jesus was just being silly or making a point, which He never explained. The false communion celebrated by prots is nothing more than a confession of lack of faith and a solemn pledge to death. I eat that which is eternal and living. You eat crackers.

 

[Chihuahua]

From whence did your authority come from to alter one of God's commandments that you could choose whatever day you like?

A seaman and self styled minister who joined an apocalyptic cult that wrongly predicted the end of the world not once, but twice. Times were tough and if you convinced people they'd go to hell for celebrating the Resurrection on the day of the week of the Resurrection.. you got a religion out of that.

 

[Chihuahua]

Living a double life.

How are the Jesuits living a double life? Please, go on. I don't even believe you know what that term means.

You can always tell a tinfoil hat wearing prot when they bring up the Jesuits. Did you know they put poison into the airplanes that make those chemtrails all over the sky. They conspired with the gray aliens.

Not the Pope. The church system.

So Catholics are loyal to their faith. Does anyone else know about this? I must notify the ninja Jesuits at Area 51. I must wear the Temple Underwear of the Mormons and put on the tinfoil hat.

Make up your mind....

That is not a coherent response to: "whatever insane interpretation you personally came up with because God talked to you."

Then why did the church presume to have the authority to trample upon God's holy day the Sabbath, and replace it with the first day of the week without any justification from Scripture?

Christian celebrate the day of Resurrection. Your group predicted falsely the end of the world and Mr. Nutterbutters said hey, tell everyone you should worshi[ on the Sabbath or else. Totally ignoring the other 612.

 

[amigo de christo]

Now i SEE why you are in darkness
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

My father/mother conceived me as deeply seated Roman Catholics.
As such i was baptized a RCC from infant.
Attended RCC schooling to 8th grade.
Attended church regularly.
Prayed the rosary beads, lighted candles, was confirmed for Communion and Confessional attendance/participation in faith.

i want to point out that i BELIEVED, in faith, in all that i was taught and participated in.

Since RCC can never do for the spirit of man what they claim = i naturally embraced sin in the world = Ephesians 2:1-3

At the age of 23 i met a former RCC family who invited me to their home to read the bible and pray.

Exactly as JESUS said = the Word is a Seed of LIFE that was planted in me from the Scriptures spoken thru Holy Spirit indwelt Vessels

The SEED of TRUTH was watered and it Sprung UP into LIFE as i was Born-Again/Anew = from ABOVE

Within a year i was water baptized and the BEST was when i was Baptized in the HOLY SPIRIT.

TODAY - i continually seek Truth as the Holy Spirit guides me into all Truth in the WORD.

Therefore i pray with understanding and also in the SPIRIT = HalleluYAH

Let us be ever and always thankful to the LORD GOD all mighty
that he translated us out of darkness and into the Kingdom of His dear son .
And now it is our duty to warn others as well .

 

[shepherdsword]

The Eucharist has the appearance of bread and wine yet the substance of the Resurrection. There were tests done on people before and after death, attempting to weigh the soul. No soul has been found despite all kinds of interesting tests.

This is non sequitur if you claim the host is actually the flesh of Christ. The soul is an ethereal element so of course it cannot be weighed. If the host is actually Christ's flesh, we would expect it to have all the qualities of flesh. However, if you agree with the view that the host is a spiritual representation of Christ then your point above may have some merit. It would also end the debate since we would agree.

 

[HealthyShape]

From whence did your authority come from to alter one of God's commandments that you could choose whatever day you like?

Already answered. Christ, the Holy Spirit, the apostles, the church.

 

[Jay Ross]

For me this thread question is irrelevant. It is not the label that is important but their focus upon the Lord and their relationdhip with Him that is important for them, just as it is important to all of us.

 

[Chihuahua]

This is non sequitur if you claim the host is actually the flesh of Christ. The soul is an ethereal element so of course it cannot be weighed. If the host is actually Christ's flesh, we would expect it to have all the qualities of flesh. However, if you agree with the view that the host is a spiritual representation of Christ then your point above may have some merit. It would also end the debate since we would agree.

Weighing a dead body to measure the presence of a soul is very much like doing a DNA test on something that has the appearance of bread and wine. If it appears as bread why on Earth by the naked eye, or using microscopy, would the DNA not appear as bread or wine? I have performed countless experiments involving DNA in research and I still run many tests now that I am in the lucrative/stable clinical side. DNA is not a magical thing that tells you what at the deepest level a substance is.

DNA evidence makes for a rock solid case when it comes to law enforcement or determining paternity - and for good reason. It provides a match, much like early tests of hair, fingerprints and even blood type. DNA does not tell you what a substance is at a deeper level. It can determine species or race. It does not give clues to the deeper levels that can only be yet understood by philosophy.

If Jesus of 0 AD had instead showed up 2000 years late and walked the Earth today and was put on trial and had His DNA tested, what would that find? Magic? A glowing chromosome that makes Him God? You would find DNA of a middle-eastern man no different than others during his time. His hair, blood and fingerprints would seem normal, but potential unique enough for legal purposes. Would Jesus have magical DNA?

DNA is made of molecules, molecules are made of atoms, atoms are made of subatomic particles. Subatomic particles are made of things... and so on. When it comes to a true Eucharist, it has the appearance of bread/wine by all that can be determined by our senses and instruments.

 

[Rockerduck]

Weighing a dead body to measure the presence of a soul is very much like doing a DNA test on something that has the appearance of bread and wine. If it appears as bread why on Earth by the naked eye, or using microscopy, would the DNA not appear as bread or wine? I have performed countless experiments involving DNA in research and I still run many tests now that I am in the lucrative/stable clinical side. DNA is not a magical thing that tells you what at the deepest level a substance is.

DNA evidence makes for a rock solid case when it comes to law enforcement or determining paternity - and for good reason. It provides a match, much like early tests of hair, fingerprints and even blood type. DNA does not tell you what a substance is at a deeper level. It can determine species or race. It does not give clues to the deeper levels that can only be yet understood by philosophy.

If Jesus of 0 AD had instead showed up 2000 years late and walked the Earth today and was put on trial and had His DNA tested, what would that find? Magic? A glowing chromosome that makes Him God? You would find DNA of a middle-eastern man no different than others during his time. His hair, blood and fingerprints would seem normal, but potential unique enough for legal purposes. Would Jesus have magical DNA?

DNA is made of molecules, molecules are made of atoms, atoms are made of subatomic particles. Subatomic particles are made of things... and so on. When it comes to a true Eucharist, it has the appearance of bread/wine by all that can be determined by our senses and instruments.

Jesus still shows Himself to His Chosen ones. I've met Him. He in disguise, like the guys on the road to Emmaus. I see you changed your name again. :)

 

[Chihuahua]

Jesus still shows Himself to His Chosen ones. I've met Him. He in disguise, like the guys on the road to Emmaus.

Does Jesus show up when you are with or without medication?

I see you changed your name again. :)

My legal name remains the same. My username has remained the same. If this is a joke, I do not find it funny.

 

[Rockerduck]

Does Jesus show up when you are with or without medication?


My legal name remains the same. My username has remained the same. If this is a joke, I do not find it funny.

This is a joke. I don't take any drugs. I don't like doctors. I threw the poison drugs they gave me in the trash. I'm healthy as a horse. I have seen and talked to angels. And yes, I have talked to Jesus face to face.

 

[rvmb]

This is a joke. I don't take any drugs. I don't like doctors. I threw the poison drugs they gave me in the trash. I'm healthy as a horse. I have seen and talked to angels. And yes, I have talked to Jesus face to face.

Have there been any prophecies revealed to you in your dreams ?