Ammillennialism's illegitimate redefining and switching around of the meaning of Greek words and biblical concepts

[Zao is life]

Sluth = Detective

Thank you. your poem.

 

[David in NJ]

How does it come about that the human spirit has life? Does it give itself life?

Answer the question and you will have the whole truth.

THE Answer you will Find
when you look at the Divine
Apostle John, yea he knew
i suggest you SEE from his View
now here is the Clue:
"Light that gives to each man that lives"

 

[claninja]

Jesus was not speaking to people who were physically dead. He was speaking to people who were physically alive {zao] but did not have the indwelling of the Spirit of life [zoe] in them - hence, dead.

The pattern of how the word zao is used in the New Testament and what it means when it is used as compared with the pattern of how the word zoe is used and what it means when it is used can be ignored so as to interpret the above verse as you have chosen to interpret it.

I can't stop you - but I can stop debating it with you because we won't agree - which our past experience tells me would be wise.

Right, they were spiritually dead

Additionally, zao is a verb and zoe is a noun, so I'm not following your argument about comparing the patterns of use between the two?

 

[David in NJ]

Thank you. your poem.

My joy is that you were blessed = so thank you as well

 

[WPM]

Uh-Oh = you made a mistake

GOD Says, 1,000 literal years = HE wrote it down for you to SEE

You have to duck around the setting of this time period, its figurative environment and the repeated symbolic use of the number in Scripture. Avoidance is the Premil MO online now. That is because the battle is long-won. The doctrine is dead. It is time to give it a decent burial like Pretrib.

Is the “one hour” that the beast reigns with the “ten kings” in Revelation 17:12 60 minutes?

Do you accept that the figure “a thousand” (including a thousand years) and ten thousand are repeatedly used in Scripture to denote a vast indeterminate amount or period of time?

Moses employs `a thousand' in Deuteronomy 7:9 saying, "Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

1 Chronicles 16:13-17 also states, "O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones. He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth. Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations; Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac; And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

A thousand and ten thousand are used together in Psalm 91, saying, "Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee" (vv 5-7).

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

A similar contrast between these two numbers or ideas is seen in Deuteronomy 32:30, where a rhetorical question is asked, "How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the Lord had shut them up?"

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Joshua affirms, on the same vein, in chapter 23, "One man of you shall chase a thousand: for the LORD your God, he it is that fighteth for you, as he hath promised you" (v 10).

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Isaiah the prophet similarly declares in Isaiah 30:17, "one thousand shall flee at the rebuke of one."

This incidentally is the only passage in Scripture that makes mention of the actual number "one thousand," albeit, the term is used to impress a spiritual truth.

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Psalm 84:9-10 says, "Behold, O God our shield, and look upon the face of thine anointed. For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

The figure a thousand is also employed in Psalm 50:10-11 saying, "For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Ecclesiastes 7:27-28 succinctly says, "one man among a thousand have I found."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

In the same vein, Job 33:23 declares, "If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to shew unto man his uprightness."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

The distinct contrast between one and a thousand is again found in Job 9:2-3, where Job declares, "I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God? If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

 

[WPM]

Every living creature upon the earth having the breath of life is a 'soul'.

Soul:

Strong's Hebrew Dictionary
5315. נֶפֶשׁ nephesh (nephesh)
Search for H5315 in KJVSL; in KJV; load in ESI.

נֶפֶשׁ nephesh, neh'-fesh - from H5314; properly, a breathing creature, i.e. animal of (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental):—any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, × dead(-ly), desire, × (dis-) contented, × fish, ghost, greedy, he, heart(-y), (hath, × jeopardy of) life (× in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortally, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, slay, soul, tablet, they, thing, (× she) will, × would have it.

Soul is not representative of natural "soulish" man. Because natural man shall not inherit the Kingdom of God in heaven.

Revelation 6:9 (KJV) And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Soul indicates being alive both physically and spiritually. While we are alive on earth, we are 'living souls' with both physical form (body of flesh), with spirit (breath of life) and when our physical body dies if we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit our physical body returns to the earth, but our spirit returns to God, and continues to be living soul in spiritual body without physical form. Like Christ has said to have part in the first resurrection that is the resurrection of Christ, we, belonging to the spiritual body of Christ shall NEVER die. This is what Paul means when he says when we die, we are absent from the body but present with the Lord, and when our natural body dies, we still belong to the spiritual body of Christ in heaven.

2 Corinthians 5:8 (KJV) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

John 11:26 (KJV) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

1 Corinthians 15:44 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (1Cor 15:35-44)



The Spirit does not resurrect our spirit, He cleanses our spirit. by giving us a new heart that is changed, no longer a stony heart of hardened flesh, desiring the things of this world, but a new heart that seeks after God. This is not a spiritual resurrection, rather it is likened to being born again, as a newborn babe no longer under bondage to the flesh that is destined to die. Changed from natural man to spiritual man no longer desiring to fulfill the lusts of our natural flesh.

Ezekiel 36:25-26 (KJV) Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

You avoided my key questions. Please address.

 

[WPM]

Every living creature upon the earth having the breath of life is a 'soul'.

Soul:

Strong's Hebrew Dictionary
5315. נֶפֶשׁ nephesh (nephesh)
Search for H5315 in KJVSL; in KJV; load in ESI.

נֶפֶשׁ nephesh, neh'-fesh - from H5314; properly, a breathing creature, i.e. animal of (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental):—any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, × dead(-ly), desire, × (dis-) contented, × fish, ghost, greedy, he, heart(-y), (hath, × jeopardy of) life (× in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortally, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, slay, soul, tablet, they, thing, (× she) will, × would have it.

Soul is not representative of natural "soulish" man. Because natural man shall not inherit the Kingdom of God in heaven.

Revelation 6:9 (KJV) And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Soul indicates being alive both physically and spiritually. While we are alive on earth, we are 'living souls' with both physical form (body of flesh), with spirit (breath of life) and when our physical body dies if we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit our physical body returns to the earth, but our spirit returns to God, and continues to be living soul in spiritual body without physical form. Like Christ has said to have part in the first resurrection that is the resurrection of Christ, we, belonging to the spiritual body of Christ shall NEVER die. This is what Paul means when he says when we die, we are absent from the body but present with the Lord, and when our natural body dies, we still belong to the spiritual body of Christ in heaven.

2 Corinthians 5:8 (KJV) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

John 11:26 (KJV) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

1 Corinthians 15:44 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (1Cor 15:35-44)



The Spirit does not resurrect our spirit, He cleanses our spirit. by giving us a new heart that is changed, no longer a stony heart of hardened flesh, desiring the things of this world, but a new heart that seeks after God. This is not a spiritual resurrection, rather it is likened to being born again, as a newborn babe no longer under bondage to the flesh that is destined to die. Changed from natural man to spiritual man no longer desiring to fulfill the lusts of our natural flesh.

Ezekiel 36:25-26 (KJV) Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Most of this I agree with. I told you: the new birth is a result of a person moving from death to life. But that only happens spiritually through resurrection. You skip around that and keep talking about what occurs after spiritual resurrection (the new birth). Regeneration involves the sovereign quickening work of the Spirit that breathes spiritual life into a spiritually dead, spiritually blind and spiritually deaf, individual. This produces spiritual life. We cannot attain that. The new birth that occurs produces a clean new heart. This brings holy desires.

1. You refuse to tell us what is dead within us before salvation.
2. You refuse to say what needs to be put to death after salvation.
3. You refuse to acknowledge the internal battle that goes on inside every believer between the soul and the spirit (flesh and Spirit).
4. You refuse to acknowledge that the Word cuts in between the soul and the spirit.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Uh-Oh = you made a mistake

GOD Says, 1,000 literal years = HE wrote it down for you to SEE

You sometimes warn about adding words to the book of Revelation, as it talks about in Revelation 22:18, yet what are you doing here? It does not say "1,000 literal years". You are adding the word "literal" to the sacred text. It says "the thousand years" or "a thousand years", not "1,000 literal years".

Do you think the word "thousand" is always used literally in scripture? It's not. Unless you think it's used literally in verses like these...

Deuteronomy 7:9 “Therefore know that the Lord your God, He is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and mercy for a thousand generations with those who love Him and keep His commandments;

Do you think this is talking about God keeping covenant and mercy for a thousand generations and no longer doing so for the 1,001st generation?

Psalm 50:10 For every beast of the forest is Mine, And the cattle on a thousand hills.

Is this verse saying that only the cattle on a thousand hills belongs to God, but not the cattle on the rest of the hills?

If you ever want to discuss these things honestly like an adult, let me know.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You have to duck around the setting of this time period, its figurative environment and the repeated symbolic use of the number in Scripture. Avoidance is the Premil MO online now. That is because the battle is long-won. The doctrine is dead. It is time to give it a decent burial like Pretrib.

Is the “one hour” that the beast reigns with the “ten kings” in Revelation 17:12 60 minutes?

Do you accept that the figure “a thousand” (including a thousand years) and ten thousand are repeatedly used in Scripture to denote a vast indeterminate amount or period of time?

Moses employs `a thousand' in Deuteronomy 7:9 saying, "Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

1 Chronicles 16:13-17 also states, "O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones. He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth. Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations; Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac; And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

A thousand and ten thousand are used together in Psalm 91, saying, "Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee" (vv 5-7).

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

A similar contrast between these two numbers or ideas is seen in Deuteronomy 32:30, where a rhetorical question is asked, "How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the Lord had shut them up?"

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Joshua affirms, on the same vein, in chapter 23, "One man of you shall chase a thousand: for the LORD your God, he it is that fighteth for you, as he hath promised you" (v 10).

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Isaiah the prophet similarly declares in Isaiah 30:17, "one thousand shall flee at the rebuke of one."

This incidentally is the only passage in Scripture that makes mention of the actual number "one thousand," albeit, the term is used to impress a spiritual truth.

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Psalm 84:9-10 says, "Behold, O God our shield, and look upon the face of thine anointed. For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

The figure a thousand is also employed in Psalm 50:10-11 saying, "For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Ecclesiastes 7:27-28 succinctly says, "one man among a thousand have I found."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

In the same vein, Job 33:23 declares, "If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to shew unto man his uprightness."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

The distinct contrast between one and a thousand is again found in Job 9:2-3, where Job declares, "I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God? If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Agree completely. Premils have to ignore a vast amount of scripture in order to keep their doctrine afloat. Why they choose to interpret the most highly symbolic book in the Bible as literally as they possibly can, I will never know.

 

[David in NJ]

You have to duck around the setting of this time period, its figurative environment and the repeated symbolic use of the number in Scripture. Avoidance is the Premil MO online now. That is because the battle is long-won. The doctrine is dead. It is time to give it a decent burial like Pretrib.

Is the “one hour” that the beast reigns with the “ten kings” in Revelation 17:12 60 minutes?

Do you accept that the figure “a thousand” (including a thousand years) and ten thousand are repeatedly used in Scripture to denote a vast indeterminate amount or period of time?

Moses employs `a thousand' in Deuteronomy 7:9 saying, "Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

1 Chronicles 16:13-17 also states, "O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones. He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth. Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations; Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac; And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

A thousand and ten thousand are used together in Psalm 91, saying, "Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee" (vv 5-7).

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

A similar contrast between these two numbers or ideas is seen in Deuteronomy 32:30, where a rhetorical question is asked, "How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the Lord had shut them up?"

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Joshua affirms, on the same vein, in chapter 23, "One man of you shall chase a thousand: for the LORD your God, he it is that fighteth for you, as he hath promised you" (v 10).

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Isaiah the prophet similarly declares in Isaiah 30:17, "one thousand shall flee at the rebuke of one."

This incidentally is the only passage in Scripture that makes mention of the actual number "one thousand," albeit, the term is used to impress a spiritual truth.

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Psalm 84:9-10 says, "Behold, O God our shield, and look upon the face of thine anointed. For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

The figure a thousand is also employed in Psalm 50:10-11 saying, "For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Ecclesiastes 7:27-28 succinctly says, "one man among a thousand have I found."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

In the same vein, Job 33:23 declares, "If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to shew unto man his uprightness."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

The distinct contrast between one and a thousand is again found in Job 9:2-3, where Job declares, "I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God? If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

You have to duck around the setting of this time period,

No, only 'quacks' do that

GOD decided it was best to tell us ahead of Time..................

 

[David in NJ]

You sometimes warn about adding words to the book of Revelation, as it talks about in Revelation 22:18, yet what are you doing here? It does not say "1,000 literal years". You are adding the word "literal" to the sacred text. It says "the thousand years" or "a thousand years", not "1,000 literal years".

In Genesis GOD foretold of the LITERAL 1,000 years

SIN prevented Adam from reaching 1,000 LITERAL years = Adam lived 930 LITERAL years

In Revelation, AFTER the First Resurrection, Satan is locked up, sent to prison and Sealed so that he cannot deceive the nations.

Uh- Oh = Satan is deceiving the nations RIGHT NOW as we speak = which shines LIGHT on amil ERROR

OK, now that we KNOW Satan walks about as a ROAMING lion seeking whom he may devour..........ROAMING the earth

Rev 20:4-6 = LITERAL First Resurrection as Prophesied by JESUS in His Gospel now to rule and reign for 1,000 years

Gotcha ya!!!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

In Genesis GOD foretold of the LITERAL 1,000 years

No, He did not. You are the only person in the world who would make such a ridiculous claim as this. I guarantee that you could never find another person who agrees with you about this.

SIN prevented Adam from reaching 1,000 LITERAL years = Adam lived 930 LITERAL years

LOL. Where does it say that sin prevented Adam or anyone else from living 1,000 literal years? Nowhere. And that has absolutely nothing to do with Revelation 20. You have to make things like this up to support your doctrine because you have no clear scriptures you can point to that support your doctrine.

In Revelation, AFTER the First Resurrection, Satan is locked up, sent to prison and Sealed so that he cannot deceive the nations.

Do you think Satan, a spirit being, can be literally chained up in a prison? Why do you take that passage within the most highly symbolic book in the entire Bible so literally? In Revelation 20 John is describing a dragon, that symbolically represents Satan, as being chained up in a prison. That SYMBOLICALLY represents the binding of Satan. Taking that literally is RIDICULOUS. A spirit being like Satan can't be literally chained up, but a physical creature like a dragon can be. Satan's binding is described symbolically, not literally.

Uh- Oh = Satan is deceiving the nations RIGHT NOW as we speak = which shines LIGHT on amil ERROR

OK, now that we KNOW Satan walks about as a ROAMING lion seeking whom he may devour..........ROAMING the earth

This shows your lack of spiritual discernment and your lack of understanding of scripture overall.

Amil does not claim that Satan's general ability to deceive was ever taken away. So, don't try to argue against it as if we make that claim. That's a strawman argument and a waste of your time and proves nothing. Try addressing what we actually believe for once.

How do you interpret a passage like this...

Hebrews 2:14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

What effect do you think it had on the world when Jesus took away the power of death from the devil, Satan, long ago? I'll give you a hint. Read verse 15 above.

What effect do you think it had on Satan's activities when the power of death was taken from him?

How many people in the world have been saved in New Testament times relative to Old Testament times? Would you agree that MANY more people in the world have been saved in NT times compared to OT times? During which time period do you think most of the "great multitude that no one can count" from all nations are saved? Old Testament times or New Testament times? Do you think what Jesus did to Satan have anything to do with that?

Rev 20:4-6 = LITERAL First Resurrection as Prophesied by JESUS in His Gospel now to rule and reign for 1,000 years

Gotcha ya!!!

Why do you act so childish? I truly don't understand it. You act like we're playing a game here. This is not a game.

You are talking about a literal first resurrection? Scripture teaches that Christ's resurrection was the literal first resurrection. Do you accept that or do you only take things literally when it's convenient for you?

Acts 26:23 that the Christ would suffer, that He would be the first to rise from the dead, and would proclaim light to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles.”

 

[WPM]

No, only 'quacks' do that

GOD decided it was best to tell us ahead of Time..................

LOL. More avoidance!!!!!!!!!

You do realize people come here to ascertain who has answers to these important Bible issues?

Premils here definitely do not.

 

[rwb]

Do you believe we are tri-part beings – body soul and spirit?

You avoided my key questions. Please address.

If this is the question you mean, I answered with what is written. God formed man from the dust of the earth [body] breathed into his nostrils the breath of life [spirit] and man became a living soul. Two parts body and spirit together called living soul.

 

[WPM]

No, He did not. You are the only person in the world who would make such a ridiculous claim as this. I guarantee that you could never find another person who agrees with you about this.


LOL. Where does it say that sin prevented Adam or anyone else from living 1,000 literal years? Nowhere. And that has absolutely nothing to do with Revelation 20. You have to make things like this up to support your doctrine because you have no clear scriptures you can point to that support your doctrine.


Do you think Satan, a spirit being, can be literally chained up in a prison? Why do you take that passage within the most highly symbolic book in the entire Bible so literally? In Revelation 20 John is describing a dragon, that symbolically represents Satan, as being chained up in a prison. That SYMBOLICALLY represents the binding of Satan. Taking that literally is RIDICULOUS. A spirit being like Satan can't be literally chained up, but a physical creature like a dragon can be. Satan's binding is described symbolically, not literally.


This shows your lack of spiritual discernment and your lack of understanding of scripture overall.

Amil does not claim that Satan's general ability to deceive was ever taken away. So, don't try to argue against it as if we make that claim. That's a strawman argument and a waste of your time and proves nothing. Try addressing what we actually believe for once.

How do you interpret a passage like this...

Hebrews 2:14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

What effect do you think it had on the world when Jesus took away the power of death from the devil, Satan, long ago? I'll give you a hint. Read verse 15 above.

What effect do you think it had on Satan's activities when the power of death was taken from him?

How many people in the world have been saved in New Testament times relative to Old Testament times? Would you agree that MANY more people in the world have been saved in NT times compared to OT times? During which time period do you think most of the "great multitude that no one can count" from all nations are saved? Old Testament times or New Testament times? Do you think what Jesus did to Satan have anything to do with that?


Why do you act so childish? I truly don't understand it. You act like we're playing a game here. This is not a game.

You are talking about a literal first resurrection? Scripture teaches that Christ's resurrection was the literal first resurrection. Do you accept that or do you only take things literally when it's convenient for you?

Acts 26:23 that the Christ would suffer, that He would be the first to rise from the dead, and would proclaim light to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles.”

They make it up as they go, or they hear some online expert stating such nonsense and they repeat it.

 

[WPM]

If this is the question you mean, I answered with what is written. God formed man from the dust of the earth [body] breathed into his nostrils the breath of life [spirit] and man became a living soul. Two parts body and spirit together called living soul.

1. You refuse to tell us what is dead within us before salvation.
2. You refuse to say what needs to be put to death after salvation.
3. You refuse to acknowledge the internal battle that goes on inside every believer between the soul and the spirit (flesh and Spirit).
4. You refuse to acknowledge that the Word cuts in between the soul and the spirit.

 

[amigo de christo]

@Marty fox @Lizbeth @Archie @Hazelelponi @VictoryinJesus

Matt 27:51-53
Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

What is MISSING in the Picture given here to us of these saints???

Also, i notice a very very sad behavior of many who will run and stick there head in the sand when shown God's words do not approve of doctrines that speak against His words.

Where did we SEE that before??? = GENESIS 3:10
“I heard Your voice in the garden,” he replied, “and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself.”

Let no man , woman or child ever sit in an ecumenical wonderland .
For he who does has en tered a house built on sand .
And beleive me , ITS ALL coming down on the DAY OF THE LORD .
Time for an exodus from all t hings contrary to Christ
and an entrodus for all back into the holy book called the bible .
ITs feasting time in the house my friends .

 

[amigo de christo]

THE Answer you will Find
when you look at the Divine
Apostle John, yea he knew
i suggest you SEE from his View
now here is the Clue:
"Light that gives to each man that lives"

And yet time for another clue
for the answer is no longer found in many a pew
From whence leaders of the flock do fleece
and all who sit under them shall have no peace
And though these leaders cloaked in wool
sounding ever wise do only fool
Fool themselves and all who sit under their lips
for f rom the cup of the LORD does a lamb only Sip .
And in one book they sure love to read
and unto those words do they take heed .
BIBLE TIME in the building and in the land
for anything contrary is but sinking sand .
Truth is the meat of those who are his
and the cup of a harlot to a sheep smells like whiz
They shall not sip , they shall not drink
for the cup of a harlot does surely stink .

 

[rwb]

Most of this I agree with. I told you: the new birth is a result of a person moving from death to life. But that only happens spiritually through resurrection. You skip around that and keep talking about what occurs after spiritual resurrection (the new birth). Regeneration involves the sovereign quickening work of the Spirit that breathes spiritual life into a spiritually dead, spiritually blind and spiritually deaf, individual. This produces spiritual life. We cannot attain that. The new birth that occurs produces a clean new heart. This brings holy desires.

1. You refuse to tell us what is dead within us before salvation.
2. You refuse to say what needs to be put to death after salvation.
3. You refuse to acknowledge the internal battle that goes on inside every believer between the soul and the spirit (flesh and Spirit).
4. You refuse to acknowledge that the Word cuts in between the soul and the spirit.

It's not that I haven't answered, you simply don't agree or like the answers given you. Man does not move from death to life. Man destined to die goes from being destined to die in his sins to possessing eternal life through the Spirit of Christ within them when they are born again, not spiritually resurrected.

Where can I find this internal battle within every man that goes on between the soul and spirit? I find in Scripture a spiritual battle that goes on within every man between the new man we have become and the old man that we shall have as long as we live in natural flesh.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Sin, even in we who have been born again still exist in our natural flesh. Paul describes this spiritual battle within man's heart and mind, as battling against doing good when evil is present with him. Why do we still battle against evil when we are indwelt with the Spirit of God when we have been born again? It is because sin still dwells in us, as Paul says, "that is, in my flesh" where there is no good thing. When we are born again we desire to do good, but as long as we live in the flesh a spiritual battle between our born again spirit seeking to do good, and our natural flesh that still longs to fulfill the desires of the flesh. It's not a battle between soul and spirit, its a spiritual battle raging in our hearts and minds. That's why Paul longs to be free of his natural body of flesh, and thanks God through Christ that he will one day be free of the law of sin that rages within him.

Romans 7:14-25 (KJV) For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

As I've already said, being a soul is to be alive or have life. There are several verses that define psychḗ (soul) as 'life'. Christ encourages saints not to fear those who kill the body, rather we should fear Him that shall destroy both soul and body in hell. The life of mankind consists of more than our body. When the body is killed there is nothing more to fear, but the living soul cast into the lake of fire is of far greater fear than suffering the death of our flesh because the suffering there shall be forever.

Matthew 10:28 (KJV) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Luke 12:4-5 (KJV) And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

In his prayer, Paul desires saints be wholly sanctified, preserved blameless on the day of Judgment, praying for the whole man consisting of body and spirit as living soul.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 (KJV) And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 13:20-21 (KJV) Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

The word of God is able to judge between the spirit in souls, discerning thoughts and intents of the heart. To those who are saved the Word is a sweet savour of Christ, and to them that perish the savour of death.

Hebrews 4:12 (KJV) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

2 Corinthians 2:15-17 (KJV) For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

 

[WPM]

It's not that I haven't answered, you simply don't agree or like the answers given you. Man does not move from death to life. Man destined to die goes from being destined to die in his sins to possessing eternal life through the Spirit of Christ within them when they are born again, not spiritually resurrected.

Where can I find this internal battle within every man that goes on between the soul and spirit? I find in Scripture a spiritual battle that goes on within every man between the new man we have become and the old man that we shall have as long as we live in natural flesh.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Sin, even in we who have been born again still exist in our natural flesh. Paul describes this spiritual battle within man's heart and mind, as battling against doing good when evil is present with him. Why do we still battle against evil when we are indwelt with the Spirit of God when we have been born again? It is because sin still dwells in us, as Paul says, "that is, in my flesh" where there is no good thing. When we are born again we desire to do good, but as long as we live in the flesh a spiritual battle between our born again spirit seeking to do good, and our natural flesh that still longs to fulfill the desires of the flesh. It's not a battle between soul and spirit, its a spiritual battle raging in our hearts and minds. That's why Paul longs to be free of his natural body of flesh, and thanks God through Christ that he will one day be free of the law of sin that rages within him.

Romans 7:14-25 (KJV) For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

As I've already said, being a soul is to be alive or have life. There are several verses that define psychḗ (soul) as 'life'. Christ encourages saints not to fear those who kill the body, rather we should fear Him that shall destroy both soul and body in hell. The life of mankind consists of more than our body. When the body is killed there is nothing more to fear, but the living soul cast into the lake of fire is of far greater fear than suffering the death of our flesh because the suffering there shall be forever.

Matthew 10:28 (KJV) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Luke 12:4-5 (KJV) And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

In his prayer, Paul desires saints be wholly sanctified, preserved blameless on the day of Judgment, praying for the whole man consisting of body and spirit as living soul.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 (KJV) And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 13:20-21 (KJV) Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

The word of God is able to judge between the spirit in souls, discerning thoughts and intents of the heart. To those who are saved the Word is a sweet savour of Christ, and to them that perish the savour of death.

Hebrews 4:12 (KJV) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

2 Corinthians 2:15-17 (KJV) For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

Answer my queries please. Scripture nowhere teaches "the whole man consisting of body and spirit as living soul." That is you! 1 Thessalonians 5:23 teaches: "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Of course "being a soul is to be alive or have life."

The unsaved who are cast into hell only have a living soul and body. They are spiritually dead. That is what needs quickened, resurrected and empowered. Not our soul who is sinful.