Ammillennialism's illegitimate redefining and switching around of the meaning of Greek words and biblical concepts

[Zao is life]

Perhaps Zech 14 was partially fulfilled, because living waters did flow out from Jerusalem.....in the early believers who escaped the siege of Jerusalem and flowed out from there to other parts of the world with the gospel. "out of your belly will flow living waters". Interestingly I think I remember reading that they fled through a tunnel that had been built under the city to bring water to it...Hezekiah's tunnel. Jerusalem was left desolate because the possessors of the gospel had either been martyred or fled the city (as well as that the glory of the Lord had departed). That seems to be a pattern for what is happening with the church in the last couple of decades or so too. Many have fled churches because of false doctrines and also because the presence of the Lord has departed many churches....and they are receiving judgment in the form of deceptions......this house is being left desolate too now, sadly.

I take it that some part of some prophecies were fulfilled in type (ensample to the church) and some were partially fulfilled....but awaiting complete fulfillment in the end.

Well I thank you for discussing this subject peaceably with me. I can't tell who started all the arguing, as I haven't been able to keep up with the whole thread and all the posts. It is sometimes hard to know who started a fight anyhow, especially if it involves a kind of gradual rise in temperature. ;)

2Peter 3 clinched it for me...realizing that the thousand years is as a day in that passage is referring to the time of waiting for the Lord to return..it is this time of longsuffering which we are to account as salvation, and which was causing scoffers to mock and chide, where is the promise of His coming? And seeing that much of Revelation is a kind of summation and reiteration of the gospel in general, reiterating so much of the scripture that was written before Rev was given.

Psalm 90, where the thousand years is a day or watch in the night is mentioned....even reading it just this morning, seems to be likening that period on a personal level as the length of an individual's life. (In that, could we arguably say that He is coming for each of us in the end of our life here on earth..?) Our temporal bodies (dead because of sin) will be dissolved in the grave, and we look for a whole new life and "world" to come. And none of us know the day and hour of our deaths. I mean, that is what is most important anyhow, how we spend our lives while we are here to "attain" to the resurrection.....the vast preponderance of believers and all people who ever existed will not be alive on the earth at the end of this age and coming of the Lord to wind things up in a general corporate way. Only one generation out of all the generations who ever lived will be alive at that time, so I think that helps me to keep it in perspective. "It is appointed unto man but once to die and then the judgment." Judgment awaits everyone regardless of who is "alive and remains" in the end or not. There can be more than one layer of truth embedded in the word of the Lord, when He speaks......"one thing has He spoken, two things have I heard".

IMO the context of Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 is using a thousand years as a metaphor for any long period time. Revelation 20:1-10 is a different issue entirely because there, two things are spoken about as identifying a specific period of time - namely, the period of time being spoken of. I do not believe the Amillennial interpretation of either of those two things is biblical and in line with the rest of both the New Testament and the Revelation's statements about the same things.

 

[David in NJ]

If we agree, I don't know what we are arguing about then. :) I might be misunderstanding some of your posts. But I suspect both "sides" of this debate still has some ironing out to do. I suspect that more was fulfilled in the first century than we have yet cottoned on to. God is not limited to time/space. He says something once but that doesn't necessarily mean He is only talking about one incidence or manifestation of what He is talking about. Anyway, I like to discuss but not argue so much except about critical foundational things....sometimes the Lord reveals things in the course of discussing as we keep seeking and knocking on the door.

If we agree, I don't know what we are arguing about then

We agree as long as we stay on course with Scripture

The disagreement comes when you conflated John chapter 4 with Zechariah chapter 14

This is the ERROR of:
a.) pre-trib rapture
b.) amillenialism
c.) satans' little season is now
d.) and every false doctrine that props up

Few, very few on here have submitted to Christ's Commandments = Matthew 4:4 , Deut 4:2, Proverbs 30:5-6, Rev 22:18-19

'they' believe 'they' know better then God and have no need to be submitted unto the Authority of the Holy Spirit and neither do they desire the Holy Spirit

JESUS Warning = Matthew 25:1-13

 

[Zao is life]

Yes I agree, but I believe it may also be speaking to/depicting/alluding to other things which is the reason it was written down. I'm sure it wasn't written for purpose of giving us a bio of Adam's life for the sake of curiosity or mere historical "information".

Yes, I'm just wondering because the Greeks didn't believe in God.....their use of the word zoe couldn't have been referring to the life of the Spirit as we know it. I think Chat GPT is probably tapping Christian resources to provide an answer here....I wonder if it has ancient Greek resources to be able to answer it from the Greek point of view and how they used those words back then.

ChatGPT is answering the question specifically from the point of view of the way the words are used in the New Testament because the words "New Testament" were specifically used in the question.

ChatGPT is not an Amillennialist so as to use things outside the New Testament to argue how words are used and what those words mean when used in the New Testament.

 

[WPM]

ChatGPT is answering the question specifically from the point of view of the way the words are used in the New Testament because the words "New Testament" were specifically used in the question.

ChatGPT is not and Amillennialist so as to use things outside the New Testament to argue how words are used and what those words mean when used in the New Testament.

And? Who cares?

You are now an advocate of ChatGPT? LOL. What a turnaround in just a few days ago:

"Your input to Chat GPT decides its output - and you weren't just using Chat GPT to help you with grammar - you posted its theological position - which was based on your input - and your argument in your post to me was based entirely on the fact that Chat GPT's theological position agreed with yours.

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In short, in its output Chat GPT's reply completely ignored the context of what Paul said in Romans 11:25-28 - because its output was based on your input

Just because you choose to use Chat GPT's opinions that are based on false information fed into it, doesn't mean I'm going to go to Chat GPT to correct your correction by first debating AI and getting AI to correct itself (which I know I can because I've done that a number of times before).

It's not right for you to base your argument upon AI's argument about "lexicon" when AI is ignoring the context of the passage that verse 28 is found in (besides basing its argument upon a word that does not exist in the original text), and then expect me to first debate with AI just so I can debate with you.

If I wanted to I could have got Chat GPT to admit that the two groups in verse 28 are based on Paul's statements: Some have been broken off and some are part of the elect remnant - and Gentiles have been joined to the elect remnant - making their covenants ours too.

Look at what your post says and see if you can see anything wrong with it or why you should not have expected me to have to debate with Chat GPT just to be able to debate with you:

The context allows it and if you challended Chat GPT long enough it would agree that the context allows it - but Chat GPT - unchallenged by you - is clearly deriving its reply from what it obtained from a Dispensatioalist type of interpretation produced by humans.

Stop wasting my time by making me go to chat GPT to get AI to argue with itself in these forums, I KNOW that it depends on how you phrase your questions and what argument you put forward OR FAIL TO PUT FORWARD OR POINT OUT - I have had a number of chats where its reply was disagreeing with what I believed and when I pointed out certain things, it changed it's mind - basically telling me about "how clever I was" to have seen this.

The questions you ask and the way you phrase those questions decides how Chat GPT will respond - so waste your own time by now going back again and pointing out to your intelligence - that you rely on instead of asking God for the understanding - that Paul had already begun by talking about SOME of the Jews as those who have been broken off, and about SOME of the Jews who have been saved (the remnant) BEFORE he said that PART OF Israel has been blinded.

Don't waste my time with debating with Chat GPT just because you expect me to by asking it questions without challenging its replies and then carrying its responses over into here before and without you even having challenged AI's replies yourself. You are being lazy.

Zao"

 

[David in NJ]

ChatGPT is answering the question specifically from the point of view of the way the words are used in the New Testament because the words "New Testament" were specifically used in the question.

ChatGPT is not an Amillennialist so as to use things outside the New Testament to argue how words are used and what those words mean when used in the New Testament.

Stay away from ChatGPT

SEEK the Baptism of the Holy Spirit = John 14:15-21

 

[Zao is life]

That reminds me of where Jesus said there would be "wars until the end."

I try to keep in mind that ultimately it is the LORD who raises and lowers kings and kingdoms. Geopolitical affairs really are HIS business, not ours. Though of course we may pray concerning suffering and injustices etc. But our overall mandate as the church is the gospel, period full stop.

I agree. I should always qualify what I say in case my words are misconstrued to mean I have a bad attitude towards Jews who do not believe, and against their state - but I don't. When if comes to wars and the actions of humans fighting those wars, I believe the Word of God always:

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! -- Isaiah 5:20

I also believe and take the verse that follows verse 20 to heart:

21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

and the two verses that precede verse 20:

18 Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:
19 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it!

God was speaking once again to the Jews - who were His elect nation. Once again shows that whatever applied to them, still applies to us.

 

[WPM]

Stay away from ChatGPT

SEEK the Baptism of the Holy Spirit = John 14:15-21

He has changed his tune in a few days. He is all over the place.

 

[Zao is life]

Stay away from ChatGPT

SEEK the Baptism of the Holy Spirit = John 14:15-21

I agree and I was asking ChatGPT that question because I saw that @hazelponi had used AI for her post full of human wisdom about what the word life means and what the words live | alive mean when used in the New Testament.

I.e what the word zoe means and what the word zao means.

Only Christ has life in Himself. No other human spirit has life in itself. It is given IN CHRIST to those who are born of His Spirit. The source of all life is God. The New Testament says so - so the fact that the New Testament uses two different words for the two different concepts means that Christian theology should not conflate them when interpreting what certain passages and verses are saying.

You also conflate life with being alive bodily in your understanding of passages like John 11:23-26 - though both the word zoe and the word zao are used in Jesus' reply to Martha:

Jesus to Martha: (whose brother had just died): "Your brother shall rise again".
Martha: "I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day."

Jesus: "I am the Resurrection and the ZOE! (the life).

He who believes in Me, though he die, yet he shall be ZAO (he shall be alive again)."

(The resurrection of the dead renders the one who died alive again):

"And whoever is ZAO (alive) (again) and believes in Me shall never die." (John 11:23-26):

"I am the first and the last: I am he that ZAO (I am He that is alive) and was dead; and, behold, I am ZAO (alive) to the Ages of the ages [Greek the aeons of the aeons], Amen; and I have the keys of hades and of death." (Revelation 1:18).

 

[David in NJ]

I agree and I was asking ChatGPT that question because I saw that @hazelponi had used AI for her post full of human wisdom about what the word life means and what the words live | alive mean when used in the New Testament.

I.e what the word zoe means and what the word zao means.

Only Christ has life in Himself. No other human spirit has life in itself. It is given IN CHRIST to those who are born of His Spirit. The source of all life is God. The New Testament says so - so the fact that the New Testament uses two different words for the two different concepts means that Christian theology should not conflate them when interpreting what certain passages and verses are saying.

You also conflate life with being alive bodily in your understanding of passages like John 11:23-26 - though both the word zoe and the word zao are used in Jesus' reply to Martha:

Jesus to Martha: (whose brother had just died): "Your brother shall rise again".
Martha: "I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day."

Jesus: "I am the Resurrection and the ZOE! (the life).

He who believes in Me, though he die, yet he shall be ZAO (he shall be alive again)."

(The resurrection of the dead renders the one who died alive again):

"And whoever is ZAO (alive) (again) and believes in Me shall never die." (John 11:23-26):

"I am the first and the last: I am he that ZAO (I am He that is alive) and was dead; and, behold, I am ZAO (alive) to the Ages of the ages [Greek the aeons of the aeons], Amen; and I have the keys of hades and of death." (Revelation 1:18).

@Hazelelponi , we only desire for your Blessing in Christ

i have only offered love in the Truth and the Holy Spirit for her benefit = as i do for all

 

[Zao is life]

According to Scripture, whosoever believes Jesus is the Son of God are overcomers, because we have been born of God and have overcome the world. IOW our faith numbers us as overcomers.

1 John 5:4-5 (KJV) For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

According to Dan/Acts Christ inherited the Kingdom after He arose from the dead and ascended up to heaven.

Acts 1:2 (KJV) Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

Acts 1:9-11 (KJV) And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Daniel 7:13-14 (KJV) I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

This passage from Mt is speaking of the Son of man coming AGAIN as judge as He sits upon the throne of His glory He received when He ascended to heaven.

Matthew 25:31-33 (KJV) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

When you read the context of Mt in the following, Christ is speaking of this present age as He sits upon the throne, His Church also sit upon twelve thrones (signifying fullness) judging the nations through the gospel of the Kingdom of God proclaimed. His Word brings eternal life for all who believe, or is the source of condemnation for all who remain in unbelief.

Matthew 19:28-30 (KJV) And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

Good post and it's true that the above is ongoing and has been since Jesus ascended into heaven - but there is still a day of judgment that awaits. That there may be an age that awaits in the first part of the ages of the ages following Christ's return - even in the new heavens and new earth - is what few understand because they do not understand the reason for it.

"You will not surely die" (the first words used in the lie).

Adam believed the source of his life [zoe] was in himself and so he would live [zao] forever.

Adam rebelled in the Garden of Eden while he was still living | alive [zao] forever (ie immortal). He lost the source of his life - the life [zoe] which is in God alone. So Adam died.

Christ came, died for our sins and rose again from the dead.

The next and the final rebellion of immortal human beings will be in a new heavens and earth and result in fire coming down from God and devouring those who believed Satan's deception - Gog and Magog. God is able to destroy both soul and body in gehennah.

The first lie and the last lie are the same: "you will not surely die".

Adam believed the source of his life [zoe] was in himself and so he would live [zao] forever.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If this is the question you mean, I answered with what is written. God formed man from the dust of the earth [body] breathed into his nostrils the breath of life [spirit] and man became a living soul. Two parts body and spirit together called living soul.

How do you explain John seeing the souls of believers whose bodies were dead in Revelation 6:9-11 and Revelation 20:4? He didn't say he saw living souls made up of body and spirit, he said he saw the souls of those who had been martyred. That means he was talking about a part of them called the soul that he saw apart from their bodies. He couldn't have seen their bodies because they were physically/bodily dead and they have not yet been changed to put on bodily immortality.

Also, how do you interpret this verse...

1 Thessalonians 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul spoke of the spirit, soul and body as separate parts of a person. The word "soul" has more than one meaning. It can refer to a whole person (a living soul), but also to the part of a person called the soul that is differentiated from a person's spirit and body.

 

[Zao is life]

@Hazelelponi , we only desire for your Blessing in Christ

i have only offered love in the Truth and the Holy Spirit for her benefit = as i do for all

Good that it helped you. I got hostility and 'you're not my teacher' because I disagreed with her post and gave her a challenge + many likes and loves on her behalf of the posts of others when they were full of insults and arrogance and derision - mainly from the two other usual culprits for those sorts of posts. There was a vibe of hostility and conceit, which she joined in with. Reminded me of a few well-educated theologians in a High Anglican church.

 

[David in NJ]

How do you explain John seeing the souls of believers whose bodies were dead in Revelation 6:9-11 and Revelation 20:4? He didn't say he saw living souls made up of body and spirit, he said he saw the souls of those who had been martyred. That means he was talking about a part of them called the soul that he saw apart from their bodies. He couldn't have seen their bodies because they were physically/bodily dead and they have not yet been changed to put on bodily immortality.

Also, how do you interpret this verse...

1 Thessalonians 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul spoke of the spirit, soul and body as separate parts of a person. The word "soul" has more than one meaning. It can refer to a whole person (a living soul), but also to the part of a person called the soul that is differentiated from a person's spirit and body.

Great Post EXCEPT for the one BIG ERROR = "He couldn't have seen their bodies because they were physically/bodily dead and they have not yet been changed to put on bodily immortality."

TRUTH = Rev 20:4-6 is the Resurrection of the 'dead' bodies of the Saints

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection.
Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

 

[David in NJ]

Good post and it's true that the above s ongoing and has been since Jesus ascended into heaven - but there is still a day of judgment that awaits. That there may be an age that awaits in the first part of the ages of the ages following Christ's return - even in the new heavens and new earth - is what few understand because they do not understand the reason for it.

"You will not surely die" (the first words used in the lie).

Adam believed the source of his life [zoe] was in himself and so he would live [zao] forever.

Adam rebelled in the Garden of Eden while he was still living | alive [zao] forever (ie immortal). He lost the source of his life - the life [zoe] which is in God alone. So Adam died.

Christ came, died for our sins and rose again from the dead.

The next and the final rebellion of immortal human beings will be in a new heavens and earth and result in fire coming down from God and devouring those who believed Satan's deception - Gog and Magog. God is able to destroy both soul and body in gehennah.

The first lie and the last lie are the same: "you will not surely die".

Adam believed the source of his life [zoe] was in himself and so he would live [zao] forever.

Do you understand that the OT Saints who were Saved = were Born-Again

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

And where it says a thousand years is as a day to the Lord, and vice versa, is telling us it is not literal.

I don't personally see any direct relation between 2 Peter 3:8 and Revelation 20 because 2 Peter 3:8 relates to how long it is taking Jesus to return. Some say He is taking a long time to return, but from the Lord's eternal perspective, He is not being slow to return because a day and a thousand years (and any length of time) makes no difference to Him. I don't see that as being related directly to the thousand years of Revelation 20, though I do agree it is not a literal thousand years.

"Thousand" in so many instances means "a great many" or maybe we could sometimes even take it to mean "all"...or really both are true. He owns the cattle on ALL the hills, which are a great many hills. And He is coming on the last day at the end of the "thousand years"....that is a great many years as well as all the years until the last of them.

Agree. Premils don't seem to understand this. When this gets brought up to them we get nothing but silence in return. They don't seem to be willing to acknowledge that the word "thousand" is sometimes used figuratively in scripture.

 

[WPM]

Good that it helped you. I got hostility and 'you're not my teacher' because I disagreed with her post and gave her a challenge + many likes and loves on her behalf of the posts of others when they were full of insults and arrogance and derision - mainly from the two other usual culprits for those sorts of posts. There was a vibe of hostility and conceit, which she joined in with. Reminded me of a few well-educated theologians in a High Anglican church.

You are an expert at projection. You are describing yourself. It is you that is spewing out bitereness on those who disagree with you.

your bosom buddy @Spiritual Israelite who you have such a close bromantic relatonship with in these forums, always one another for almost everything you say, and who is another mouthpiece for Satan

TROLL

If I ask you ONE question, would you answer it?

Do you still now believe In Jesus and that you are a sinner whose sins He bore in His own body, and have you ever believed?

the same sort of thinking the Pharisees had. Completely lost in religiosity, not knowing the things of which they speak, but believing they do.

The reality is: anyone who challenges your Premil thesis is a "mouthpiece for Satan," "unsaved," "a troll," full of "religiosity," “the same sort of thinking the Pharisees had” and twisting Scripture?

 

[Zao is life]

Do you understand that the OT Saints who were Saved = were Born-Again

Only because of the blood of Christ for our sins and His resurrection from the dead. Our Savior came in the fullness of time and His death and resurrection counts for all time, since Adam, till now - because we are all the seed of Adam, hence in Adam. Genesis 3:15.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Great Post EXCEPT for the on BIG ERROR = "He couldn't have seen their bodies because they were physically/bodily dead and they have not yet been changed to put on bodily immortality."

That is not an error at all. You like to claim that you read the text as is and accept it for what it literally says, but you're not doing that here. John said that he saw their souls when they were dead. He never says that he sees their bodies.

TRUTH = Rev 20:4-6 is the Resurrection of the 'dead' bodies of the Saints

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection.
Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Read Revelation 20:6 carefully. It's talking about the time when the second death has no power over believers and when they are priests of God and of Christ.

Tell me, does the second death have any power over any saved believer right now, whether they are physically dead (but spiritually alive in heaven) or physically alive? No, it does not. The second death only has power over unbelievers who have the second death as their destiny if they don't repent. So, believers have all had part in the first resurrection because we've all spiritually had part in the resurrection of Christ. Do you not know that Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection?

Acts 26:23 that the Christ would suffer, that He would be the first to rise from the dead, and would proclaim light to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles.”

Having part in the first resurrection is to have part in Christ's resurrection. This is how we have part in Christ's resurrection...


Colossians 2:12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

Notice in Revelation 20:6 that those who have part in the first resurrection are priests of God and of Christ. Do you somehow not know that believers are priests of God and of Christ right now? It says so in these verses...

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

Notice this says we ARE a royal priesthood. Present reality.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

This passages indicates that Jesus Christ is "the ruler of the kings of the earth" now and has been for a long time. That means He has already been reigning for a long time. And this passage says He "has made us kings and priests to His God and Father", so believers have been priests of God and of Christ for a long time already. You should take that into account when interpreting Revelation 20, but you clearly do not.

 

[amigo de christo]

Again the Truth is that which JESUS Commanded us = Matt 4:4

ABC's of TRUTH = according to the Word of God

A.) If you believe every word that God has Spoken, then Adam lived a LITERAL 930 years!!!

B.) If, you believe every word that God has Spoken, then at His 2nd Coming is the Resurrection into Eternal Glorified Bodies.

C.) Eternal Glorified Bodies never die!!! = therefore 1,000 LITERAL years is just the Beginning of so much MORE that GOD has in STORE

@Lizbeth and all who call upon the Name of the LORD = Believe His every word!!!

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them.
Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.
And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection.
Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,
and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Important: "shall"

"shall" determines the event is FUTURE

shall /shăl/

auxiliary verb​

1. Used before a verb in the infinitive to show.
2. Something that will take place or exist in the future.
   "We shall arrive tomorrow."
3. An order, promise, requirement, or obligation.
   "You shall leave now. He shall answer for his misdeeds. The penalty shall not exceed two years in prison."

many have denied the very RESSURECTION HIMSELF .
Oh yes , JESUS IS THAT RESSURECTION my friend .
but many now deny the dire need to even have had to have beleived on him .
They throwing out the original gospel of YE MUST beleive
for a fat broad path that includes the false religions and sins .
You might think , oh but this is just a very few . NO SIR
YOU ASK them . YOU ASK them and tell them point blank
It dont ma tter how much so called good works and fake love one had
THAT IF THEY DID NOT BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST , THEY PERISH . YOU SEE what gets said .
Folks are falling for a lie and its gonna get only worse my f riend .
WHY do you think we have so many , who though they might not agree with the doctrines of another,
THEY DO and are all beginning to ag ree on a lie . A lie that somehow implants
that if one loved G od and his neighbor , WELL EVEN IF THEY didnt beleive on JESUS
they are still under the spirit of GOD and still serving the same God .
ONLY , YOO HOO EVERYONE , ITS IMPOSSIBLE to have LOVED GOD when one rejected HIS CHRIST , BELEIVED NOT ON
HIS CHRIST . they got no idea my friend that the devil can say
OH J UST L OVE GOD and YOUR NEIGHBOR but then adds the idea like even unbeleivers do this . WHAT A CROCK that one is .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are an expert at projection. You are describing yourself. It is you that is spewing out bitereness on those who disagree with you.

The reality is: anyone who challenges your Premil thesis is a "mouthpiece for Satan," "unsaved," "a troll," full of "religiosity," “the same sort of thinking the Pharisees had” and twisting Scripture?

He has no self awareness whatsoever. Obviously, neither of us are fans of his, but we would never claim that he is not saved. Yet, look at the kind of things he says about us. That's pure hatred. Does he somehow not know that we will be judged by the same measure that we judge others? He's putting himself in danger by judging us the way he does.