Overview time line chart of the 7 years
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Ronald D Milam
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Yes, Satan has come down, and he is angry, but he is not delivering God's Wrath. Satan cannot kill Satan per se. Its not Satan killing those with the Mark of the Beast its God. The Woe from Satan is tht he wants to kill every Jews he can get at (he can not get at the 1/3 Jews who repent) hence it is a part of THE STORY of Revelation 12, Satan is angry, he's come to earth, and chases Israel into the Petra/Bozrah area. He HAS WRATH or ANGER (but not Righteous Wrath like unto God) and thus Israel gad better heed God's word to flee Judea. All these words are meant to get Israel to heed His warnings from the coming Two-witnesses. Of course he kills all he an get at who will not worship him as a defacto god, BUT........he is only over the E.U. and he only Conquers Israel and THE MANY (Mediterranean Sea Region) not the WHOLE WORLD, never ever was goin g to happen, PERIOD.
The Fourth Beast that received the "Mortal Wound" and thus the Beast System went under the sea metaphorically or went away, but why? Because the gates of hell could not overcome the church, Jesus told us this. We delivered the Mortal Wound to the Beast empires, but in the very end times the 10 horns (Complete Gov. Powers in the same Region) will arise out of the Fourth Beasts head, but the E.U. is not the Fourth Beast come again until they conquer Israel and THE MANY as Dan. 11:40-43 gives us a play by play of, it also shows the E.U./A.C. not being able to conquer Edom, Ammon and Moab, where Israel flees unto, so that is THE BATTLE that brings back The Beast or beast system, I can post a map that shows why this happens below. This battle "heals the wound" or brings back a beast over Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region or TH MANY (Israel plus Syria, Turkey, Lebanon, parts of Jordan, just not Petra, Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria and Libya).
The Blue is the E.U. Currently, the Orange are THE MANY I listed above who all currently (I joke not) have Seven (7) Year Agreements with the E.U. under the guise of the European Neighborhood Policy. Turkey has a different understanding with the E.U. but the King of the South will be Turkey & Egypt, the King of the North will be an E.U. Nation led led by a man born in Greece (fulfilling Dan. 8:9 and Dan. 7:7-8). So, when the Blue conquers the Orange and light blue you get the Rev. 13 Beast's Mortal Wound being HEALED. This is why he's said to come out of the Fourth Beasts Head. Papa Rome, the Son is the E.U. who conquers Israel and all of North Africa thus they rule the exact same land mass. Rome Revived. Better map below.
The Revived Roman Empire known as the Beast of Rev. 13 whose Mortal Wound is HEALED !!
So, the whole world will not be conquered by the AC and E.U. only the region in Brown and Light Blue.
The 7 Vials ARE THE 3rd Woe.
Ronald D Milam
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People conflate this, yes the Greatest Ever Troubles only last 1260 days, but Jesus told us that ALL TIMES on this evil earth is troubles, most do not comprehend that, thus in Rev. 7 when it says these came out of GREAT TROUBLE they can not grasp it is the Pre Trib. Raptured church and we indeed are living in troubles just not the GREATEST EVER TROUBLES, you see think guts you can have great troubles (see WW1/WW2) without it being the Greatest Ever Troubles, we all to often try to limit God's vocabulary. Those seen in White Robes in Rev. 7 came out of the Church Age which had GREAT TRIBULATION as in the early church were burned, as in Muslims murdered millions of Christians since 600-700 AD, modern liberals are attacking Christians at every turn. Our missionaries were killed in many cases.
John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
So, ALL TIME on this earth is Tribulation, because Satan is the god of this world Paul tells us. So, the church age is tribulation, the great tribulation the Saints in heaven (raptured Pre Trib.) came out of, the 70th week will thus also be Tribulation, and last but not least, the 1260 days will be the Greatest Tribulation ever seen by mankind, but that in no wise keeps the full church ae from being GREAT TRIBULATION.
No, the great tribulation will be 1335 days long based on Daniel 12:11-12. It will fit within the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 and Ezekiel 39:9.
Daniel 12:11-12
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Here is the 1335 days of the great tribulation on the table. And also the time/times/half time of Satan's persecution to take place during the third woe.
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More nonsense. This argument collapses only if one insists on wooden literalism where Scripture itself uses symbolic language.
The 1,260 days of Revelation 12:6 and the “time, times, and half a time” of Revelation 12:14 are the same period, expressed in different symbolic forms—just as Scripture consistently does (cf. Daniel 7:25; 12:7). These numbers do not represent a literal 3½ or 7-year tribulation, as premillennialism falsely asserts, but the entire New Testament era in which the Church lives, suffers, and proclaims the gospel in a dry thirsty world.
This is the period Jesus Himself defined when He said the gospel would be preached “to all nations” before the end (Matthew 24:14), and when the Church would experience tribulation (John 16:33; Acts 14:22). Scripture nowhere teaches a future, isolated 3½-year escape plan for the Church.
The woman of Revelation 12 is not national Israel.
She is the one covenant people of God, first represented by Old Testament Israel, from whom the Messiah came (Romans 9:5), and then continuing as the New Testament Church after the Cross (Galatians 3:28–29; Ephesians 2:14–16). Scripture is explicit: there are not two peoples of God, but one (Romans 11:17–24). Selah.
After the Cross, the woman flees into the wilderness—not a literal desert, but the spiritually barren world (Isaiah 35:1; Jeremiah 2:13). Just as the Old Testament Israel was sustained in the wilderness with manna and water from the rock (Exodus 16–17), so the Church is now nourished by the Word of God and the living water of the gospel (John 4:14; 6:35).
This wilderness period is not defeat—it is mission, safe from Satan's harm until the building of the church is finished.
The Church dwells among the nations, preserved by God, proclaiming Christ, until the end of the age (Matthew 28:19–20). To reduce this rich, covenantal, Christ-centered imagery to a future newspaper prophecy about Israel, your fantasy Jewish King, and few years of blood bath for Jews and "tribulation Saints" who refuse to receive the literal mark of the beast is to strip Revelation of its biblical depth and unity!
Premillennialism does not read Revelation through Scripture—it reads Scripture through a system.
Jerusalem will be trampled for 1260 days:
Rv 11:2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.(1260 days)
The two witnesses will prophesy 1260 days
Rv 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Israel will be protected 1260 days
Rv 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
The Antichrist will only hold power for 1260 days
Rv 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.(1260 days)
Why not 1335? Could it be this?
Mt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
However, even if there are 1335 days it doesn't back your view that the woe in Rev 12 is the third one. Nor does it dispute that fact that Jesus returns at the 7th Trumpet in Rev 11.
This is an excellent point on why the woe in Rev 12 cannot be the 3rd one.
This looks like some old Hal Lindsey "Late Great Planet Earth" kinda stuff. It is worthy to note that all of the nations that come against Israel are of middle eastern origin. The revived Roman empire is the 7th but the 8th empire is the Revived Greek empire of Alexander.
Rv 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
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What Jerusalem is this? And who are the Gentiles in God's eyes?
Who are the Two Witnesses, exactly? 1,260 days? Literal or symbolic period?
Who Israel is this woman represented? Feed her with what?
Wrong. Per context, the power was given to the beast, not antichrist. The beast is not one man antichrist as you think. You need to find God's definition of the beast here. You can't say, "Oh the beast must be the antichrist". Do your homework with your Bible first.
You need to do some homework on your manners. Your tone is presumptuous and insulting. Your attitude is arrogant and demeaning to all that disagree with you. Maybe you should forego the study of prophecy for a while and work on Christian character.
Do a study on these verses.
Jas 3:13-17
Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
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The tone of my previous post is fine. You decided to whine BECAUSE clearly you cannot answer the questions biblically and do not want to do the research with God’s Word.
Got it.
I was just trying to help you. I see that as more of a priority than continuing a discussion filled with childish insults. You can consider it or reject it.
It says 42 months, not 1260 days. Although many say mathematically 42 months is the same as 1260 days.
What a person needs to do to understand where those events take place in the 7 years - is to match all of the like time expressions together.
The 42 months matches the 42 months in Revelation 13:5 of the beast's rule. See how the like time expressions are color coded the same on the table ?
I have noticed that when the Lord's side is referenced it measures it as "days" and when the dark side is referenced it is measured as "months" However, the time span is the same.
The main thing is to take the like time expressions and group those together. And place the group in either the first half or second half of the 7 years.
Don't do conversions. Just stick with the time expressions as given in the text.
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See how the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 and the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14, when combined, make up the 7 years ?
See how the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 and the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14, when combined, make up the 7 years ?
Ronald D Milam
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Yes, Satan has come down, and he is angry, but he is not delivering God's Wrath. Satan cannot kill Satan per se. Its not Satan killing those with the Mark of the Beast its God. The Woe from Satan is tht he wants to kill every Jews he can get at (he can not get at the 1/3 Jews who repent) hence it is a part of THE STORY of Revelation 12, Satan is angry, he's come to earth, and chases Israel into the Petra/Bozrah area. He HAS WRATH or ANGER (but not Righteous Wrath like unto God) and thus Israel gad better heed God's word to flee Judea. All these words are meant to get Israel to heed His warnings from the coming Two-witnesses. Of course he kills all he an get at who will not worship him as a defacto god, BUT........he is only over the E.U. and he only Conquers Israel and THE MANY (Mediterranean Sea Region) not the WHOLE WORLD, never ever was goin g to happen, PERIOD.
The Fourth Beast that received the "Mortal Wound" and thus the Beast System went under the sea metaphorically or went away, but why? Because the gates of hell could not overcome the church, Jesus told us this. We delivered the Mortal Wound to the Beast empires, but in the very end times the 10 horns (Complete Gov. Powers in the same Region) will arise out of the Fourth Beasts head, but the E.U. is not the Fourth Beast come again until they conquer Israel and THE MANY as Dan. 11:40-43 gives us a play by play of, it also shows the E.U./A.C. not being able to conquer Edom, Ammon and Moab, where Israel flees unto, so that is THE BATTLE that brings back The Beast or beast system, I can post a map that shows why this happens below. This battle "heals the wound" or brings back a beast over Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region or TH MANY (Israel plus Syria, Turkey, Lebanon, parts of j
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Partially correct, the 1290 is indeed 1290 days BEFORE the 2nd coming ends all of these wonders, the 1335 comes first, 1335 days before the 2nd coming, and the AC Conquers Israel and The Many (or nations of the Mediterranean Sea Region/MSR) at the 1260 to become The Beast over Israel and the MSR, so your timing is correct. But you get the timing of the 7 Vials all wrong, all because you think (I guess) that Revelation 11 is a real time event, its not, the 7th Trump is indeed the 7 Vials, but they take place in Rev. 16, Rev. 11 is a Parenthetical Citation Chapter, Woe #3 happens in Rev. 16 just like Woe #2 happens in Revelation 9, not in Rev. 11, but is only mentioned there because it is a part of the 1260 Day Ministry of the 2 Witnesses, so their ministry overlaps the 1260 day Wrath of the Lord almost day for day, but they do die at the 2nd Woe whilst the Beasts 1260 days ends at the 7th Vial (end of the 3d Woe) as Jess returns, Jesus is THE 7TH VIAL !!! Hes not there for the first 6 Vials however.
They do, but you have it all reversed, you think Jesus comes back and then the 7 Vials take 45 days, but the 7 Vials take 45 days and I know this, because the 2 Witnesses die after their 1260 day Ministry, which STARTS 75 DAYS BEFORE THE 1260 Middle of the Week, at the 1335, each number is THAT MANY DAYS until the 2nd coming ENDS ALL OF THESE WONDERS. The 1335 comes BEFORE the DOTL (1260) not after the 2nd Coming of Jesus.
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I see how you are reading this into the text. You have to make the tribulation 7 years for your view. The "time, times and half a time" are the same as the 1260 days.
I agree that there is a possibility that the Trumpets and vials are the same thing at the same time. It's a bit like Pharaohs dream in Genesis. In fact, I held that view for years.
Ge 41:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.(Rev 1?)
Rv 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
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