A recent session I had with Chatgpt pertaining to some of the Discourse

[Zao is life]

On the contrary, the Olivet Discourse begins with the shocking prophecy that Jerusalem and the Temple will be utterly destroyed

It doesn't.Verses 1 & 2 were spoken on the Temple Mount and belong at the end of Matthew 23.

There's a literal valley between your statement and the Mount of Olives.

You should ignore the chapter and verses divisions inserted after the 12th century, and concentrate on context.

What lay ahead of Jesus as He was walking through that valley was the suffering He - the Sanctuary of God - was to endure for the sake of the New Testament Temple which would begin to exist from the coming down of the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost

- and the tribulation that would befall that New Covenant Temple - which is why He replied to their question by talking only about that New Testament Temple

- and saying NOTHING about the old defunct temple in Jerusalem again.

Jesus did not always answer His disciples' questions with an answer to their question but with the correct answer to the correct question they should have asked.

Only those who are obsessed with the Old Covenant are obsessed with the old temple, dragging it through the valley to the Mount of Olives with Jesus.

 

[Randy Kluth]

It doesn't.Verses 1 & 2 were spoken on the Temple Mount and belong at the end of Matthew 23.

There's a literal valley between your statement and the Mount of Olives.

You should ignore the chapter and verses divisions inserted after the 12th century, and concentrate on context.

What lay ahead of Jesus as He was walking through that valley was the suffering He - the Sanctuary of God - was to endure for the sake of the New Testament Temple which would begin to exist from the coming down of the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost

- and the tribulation that would befall that New Covenant Temple - which is why He replied to their question by talking only about that New Testament Temple

- and saying NOTHING about the old defunct temple in Jerusalem again.

Jesus did not always answer His disciples' questions with an answer to their question but with the correct answer to the correct question they should have asked.

Only those who are obsessed with the Old Covenant are obsessed with the old temple, dragging it through the valley to the Mount of Olives with Jesus.

You, of course, are entitled to your opinion. But to see things they way you see them you would have to massacre the text. The way the biblical authors detailed this account indeed has no chapter and verses. The account does begin in the Temple area, which is where Jesus initially spoke of the problems to come. That's where the Disciples remarked at how beautiful the temple buildings were.

But Jesus was asked more about his prophecy of the Temple's destruction up on the Mt. of Olives. That's where he reiterated what was to happen to the Temple in his generation. The entire Discourse that follows, then, is speaking with this in mind.

The preliminary signs--the birth pangs, if you will, were all preliminary warnings that the fall of Jerusalem was about to happen. The Abomination of Desolation, clearly, was the Roman Army, which was an "abomination" because they were pagans, and were "desolators" because they would come to destroy the Temple. Jesus said all of this would take place in his own generation.

You create an artificial gulf between what Jesus said in the Temple area and what he reiterated on the Mt. of Olives. I've walked this valley, and it's small! There would be no break in the conversation based on the geography, which you would know if you had been there as I have.

Matt 24.1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”
3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

 

[Randy Kluth]

The Judaean Christians fled, and were spared.

Yes indeed. However, my implication is that much of what Jesus predicted for Christians at that time was directed at Jewish believers who like the wicked Jews would suffer the loss of their homes and country. Even worse, they would suffer the persecution of wicked Jews and pagan Gentiles, bearing these sufferings on behalf of the Gospel.

 

[Davidpt]

On the contrary, the Olivet Discourse begins with the shocking prophecy that Jerusalem and the Temple will be utterly destroyed, leading to the worst punishment in exile the Jews have ever faced. The warning about deceivers relates back to the OT Scriptures where the Prophets had warned Israel that judgment was coming to Judah via the Babylonians. At that time the Hebrew people refused to believe that God was going to judge them, and false prophets predicted victory over their enemies.

But judgment did come to Israel via the Babylonians and the false prophets were exposed as deceivers, whitewashing the sins of Israel that had brought on this judgment. The same thing is happening here, according to Jesus. False prophets were rising to deceive Israel into thinking the Romans would be destroyed and that Messiah would come to deliver them.

But Jesus was the Messiah and warned Israel that they would soon be judged for their many sins. All of this Discourse had to do with this coming judgment. And transporting warning about false prophets into the future of the Church age completely ignores the context and time to which Jesus is speaking. This was a Jewish judgment, with the Jews consisting of a large number of unbelievers and a relatively few number of believers. Both groups would suffer in this judgment. But each group would suffer for different reasons.

Maybe I wasn't being clear? I was meaning after the disciples asked Jesus their questions and that He then began answering them. He began in all 3 accounts answering in this manner---Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

This obviously has zero to do with why the city and temple would be destroyed in their near future. Not to mention, His warning is still applicable to us in our day and age. And that there is no literal temple that is going to be destroyed in our near future.


As to why I submitted my session with Chatgpt is because it's as if it could read my mind, argue what I would argue, reason these things how I would reason these things. I had very little input in that session, yet based on the little I did input, Chatgpt articulated my view to a T. How? I'm not sure? Unless you are logged in to Chatgpt, it does not recall any prior sessions with you. I was not logged in at the time, and everything I submitted in the OP was exactly how that session went down.

If nothing else, if some have failed to understand my view in the past, it should be crystal clear now. Assuming one has read the entire OP.

 

[rwb]

Yes, the destruction of Jerusalem was both a physical and spiritual event, representing God's physical and spiritual judgment upon apostasy, and signifying the passing of the old covenant to the New by the physical destruction of all physical vestiges of the former, and the spiritual eclipse of the old testament national economy by the New Testament Kingdom of God.

Fulfillment of the literal destruction came in 70 AD and over and done. But the spiritual fulfillment began to come to pass at the cross and has been on-going and shall continue until the last trumpet sounds that time given for building the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven as the gospel is proclaimed shall be no longer.

 

[rwb]

Maybe I wasn't being clear? I was meaning after the disciples asked Jesus their questions and that He then began answering them. He began in all 3 accounts answering in this manner---Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

This obviously has zero to do with why the city and temple would be destroyed in their near future. Not to mention, His warning is still applicable to us in our day and age. And that there is no literal temple that is going to be destroyed in our near future.


As to why I submitted my session with Chatgpt is because it's as if it could read my mind, argue what I would argue, reason these things how I would reason these things. I had very little input in that session, yet based on the little I did input, Chatgpt articulated my view to a T. How? I'm not sure? Unless you are logged in to Chatgpt, it does not recall any prior sessions with you. I was not logged in at the time, and everything I submitted in the OP was exactly how that session went down.

If nothing else, if some have failed to understand my view in the past, it should be crystal clear now. Assuming one has read the entire OP.

Yes, Jesus was more concerned about building the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven, but His disciples had a difficult time letting go of the Covenant of Old they had learned and obeyed for many generations. I believe that's why Christ told them to stop admiring all that represented the Old Covenant nation because it would be brought to physical ruin and was already brought to spiritual ruin. Christ had already declared "Behold your house is left unto you desolate". The first century Jewish disciples would not understand until they received power from on high from the Holy Spirit permanently in them.

 

[covenantee]

Fulfillment of the literal destruction came in 70 AD and over and done. But the spiritual fulfillment began to come to pass at the cross and has been on-going and shall continue until the last trumpet sounds that time given for building the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven as the gospel is proclaimed shall be no longer.

True. And 70 AD saw spiritual fulfillments which continued those begun at the cross, and which will continue to the Second Coming.

 

[covenantee]

This obviously has zero to do with why the city and temple would be destroyed in their near future.

In fact, Jesus was describing DECEIVERS who would appear during the years between His discourse and 70 AD.

Jesus was alerting His followers that these DECEIVERS did not yet signal the end of the old covenant age:

Matthew 24
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

DECEIVERS

Matthew: “And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you, For many shall come in my name saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many” (24:4,5).
Mark: “And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you; For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many” (13:5,6).
Luke: “And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived; for many shall come in my name saying, I am Christ, and the time draweth near; go ye not therefore after them” (21:8).

We notice that all three accounts warn about deceivers. But Luke’s account explains WHEN these things would happen. Jesus Said: “And the time DRAWETH NEAR: go ye not therefore after them.” Jesus was not talking about something that would take place hundreds or thousands of years later. Jesus was warning his disciples about something that was drawing near in their time. This is plain.

Did such deceivers or false Christs arise and deceive many in those years before the destruction of Jerusalem? Yes.

According to Josephus, the noted Jewish historian, twelve years after our Saviour’s death, a certain impostor named Theudas persuaded a great multitude to follow him to the river Jordan which he claimed would divide for their passage. At the time of Felix (who is mentioned in the book of Acts), the country of the Jews was filled with impostors who Felix had put to death EVERY DAY — a statement which indicates that there were many of such in those days.

An Egyptian who “pretended to be a prophet” gathered 30,000 men, claiming that he would show “how, at his command, the walls of Jerusalem would fall down.”

Another deceiver was Simon, a sorcerer, who led people to believe he was the great power of God (See Acts 8). According to Irenaeus, Simon claimed to be the Son of God and creator of angels. Jerome says that he claimed to be the Word of God, the Almighty. Justin relates that he went to Rome and was acclaimed as a god by his magical powers.

Origen mentions a certain wonder-worker, Dositheus, who claimed he was the Christ foretold by Moses. Another deceiver in those days was Barchochebas who, according to Jerome, claimed to vomit flames. Bar-jesus is mentioned in Acts 13:6 as a sorcerer and false prophet.

These are examples of the deceivers of whom history says there were a great number, and of whom Jesus had prophesied that there would be “many.”

Great Prophecies of the Bible
Ralph Woodrow

 

[rwb]

We notice that all three accounts warn about deceivers. But Luke’s account explains WHEN these things would happen. Jesus Said: “And the time DRAWETH NEAR: go ye not therefore after them.” Jesus was not talking about something that would take place hundreds or thousands of years later. Jesus was warning his disciples about something that was drawing near in their time. This is plain.

This is true, but I don't believe Christ is limiting the warnings to first century Jewish disciples. The warnings are written as a warning to those disciples and every disciple that would come after them throughout the ages. The time that was drawing near is not reference to 70 AD. The time that draweth near is referring for many coming in the name of Christ. Thirty plus years does not meet the biblical definition of draweth near. It speaks of things approaching, and even at hand that was not a warning only for first century disciples. Because many have come and still come professing the name of Jesus, who are in fact liars and deceivers.

Luke 21:8 (KJV) And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

 

[Zao is life]

You, of course, are entitled to your opinion. But to see things they way you see them you would have to massacre the text. The way the biblical authors detailed this account indeed has no chapter and verses. The account does begin in the Temple area, which is where Jesus initially spoke of the problems to come. That's where the Disciples remarked at how beautiful the temple buildings were.

But Jesus was asked more about his prophecy of the Temple's destruction up on the Mt. of Olives. That's where he reiterated what was to happen to the Temple in his generation. The entire Discourse that follows, then, is speaking with this in mind.

The preliminary signs--the birth pangs, if you will, were all preliminary warnings that the fall of Jerusalem was about to happen. The Abomination of Desolation, clearly, was the Roman Army, which was an "abomination" because they were pagans, and were "desolators" because they would come to destroy the Temple. Jesus said all of this would take place in his own generation.

You create an artificial gulf between what Jesus said in the Temple area and what he reiterated on the Mt. of Olives. I've walked this valley, and it's small! There would be no break in the conversation based on the geography, which you would know if you had been there as I have.

Matt 24.1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”
3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

The temple Jesus answered them about was not the temple they asked about. In His reply He said nothing again about the temple in Jerusalem.

The apostles had a valid excuse for asking about the old temple - the last supper had not even occurred yet - it was just hours away. They had no way of understanding, no way of knowing yet about the Temple Jesus was answering them about.

Less than 36 hours later the curtain in the old temple between the holy of holies and the holy place (let the reader understand) was torn in two. 50 days later the Holy Spirit came down and filled His Temple.

The apostles had a valid excuse for asking about the old temple - but all saints whose salvation was bought by the blood of Christ when the old sacrificial system was made defunct have no excuse for massacring what Jesus said in His reply and twisting it into Jesus having spoken to them again about the old temple when He was on the Mount of Olives.

The apostles did not massacre what Jesus said in His reply the way the later church does - they faithfully recorded what He said about the persecution and tribulation that would be the experience of the living stones of the New Testament Temple, and did not add one more thing about the old temple - only later Christians would begin to do that by their own eisegesis.

The abomination of desolation in the holy place = 2 Thessalonians 2:4.

 

[ewq1938]

On the contrary, the Olivet Discourse begins with the shocking prophecy that Jerusalem and the Temple will be utterly destroyed

Neither is mentioned a single time in the OD.

 

[covenantee]

This is true, but I don't believe Christ is limiting the warnings to first century Jewish disciples. The warnings are written as a warning to those disciples and every disciple that would come after them throughout the ages. The time that was drawing near is not reference to 70 AD. The time that draweth near is referring for many coming in the name of Christ. Thirty plus years does not meet the biblical definition of draweth near. It speaks of things approaching, and even at hand that was not a warning only for first century disciples. Because many have come and still come professing the name of Jesus, who are in fact liars and deceivers.

Luke 21:8 (KJV) And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

The time drawing near was that of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. All of the evidence cited of false Christs and deceivers appeared during the years between Jesus' discourse and 70 AD.

Certainly the Church can draw spiritual lessons from any and all Scriptural history. But Jesus' predictions were clearly germane to His disciples and followers, and were clearly fulfilled in the period between His discourse and 70 AD.

 

[Zao is life]

Neither is mentioned a single time in the OD.

The old covenant temple is not mentioned in the OD but the gathering of armies around Jerusalem, and its destruction, is mentioned.

 

[ewq1938]

The old covenant temple is not mentioned in the OD but the gathering of armies around Jerusalem, and its destruction, is mentioned.

It's a moral/spiritual desolation as no trib part of Rev shows the city being destroyed. Commonly it is believed the beast rules from Jerusalem, so he does not destroy it physically but occupies it and has armies that cannot fit in the city so they are around it which reminds me of the camp of the saints that is likewise outside of the city as seen in Rev 20. I believe the AD70 destruction was a physical display and type of the coming spiritual desolation during the trib.

 

[Zao is life]

It's a moral/spiritual desolation as no trib part of Rev shows the city being destroyed. Commonly it is believed the beast rules from Jerusalem, so he does not destroy it physically but occupies it and has armies that cannot fit in the city so they are around it which reminds me of the camp of the saints that is likewise outside of the city as seen in Rev 20. I believe the AD70 destruction was a physical display and type of the coming spiritual desolation during the trib.

It's difficult (for me) to place Luke 21:20-24, and I don't place it necessarily only in one 'place' - but you could be correct:

Revelation 13
9 If anyone has an ear, he had better listen!
10 If anyone is meant for captivity,
into captivity he will go.
If anyone is to be killed by the sword, then by the sword he must be killed.
This requires steadfast endurance and faith from the saints.

Luke 21
24 They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led away as captives among all nations. Jerusalem will be trampled down by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Revelation 11
2 But do not measure the outer courtyard of the temple [naos - the sanctuary of God]; leave it out, because it has been given to the Gentiles, and they will trample on the holy city for forty-two months.
3 And I will grant my two witnesses authority to prophesy for 1,260 days, dressed in sackcloth.

The only city called the holy city in Revelation is new Jerusalem. It's contrasted with the city spiritually called Sodom and Gomorrah where the Lord was crucified.

Zechariah 14
2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to wage war; the city will be taken, its houses plundered, and the women raped. Then half of the city will go into exile, but the remainder of the people will not be taken away.
3 Then the LORD will go to battle and fight against those nations, just as he fought battles in ancient days.
4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives which lies to the east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, leaving a great valley. Half the mountain will move northward and the other half southward.

IMO it's possible that the above in Zechariah 14 is where the spiritual fulfillment you mentioned meets the literal fulfillment - because His feet are standing on the Mount of Olives. After the above occurs (not before it occurs) the resurrected saints will be gathered into the land - which IMO is in a new heavens and new earth - because He will make all things new.

The events described in Luke 21:20-24 and especially verse 24 have so many parallels in history and in prophetic scripture that it's difficult (for me) to know where and how to place it - because it was also fulfilled in literal Jerusalem in 70 AD - which as you say, is indeed a type of any future fulfillment

- but those who butcher Jesus's reply to the disciples' question on the Mount of Olives ignore the fact that He spoke only about the persecution and tribulation that would befall the living stones of the New Testament Temple, and instead they have Him talking again about the old covenant temple.

 

[claninja]

Neither is mentioned a single time in the OD.

Grammatically, the antecedents to the demonstrative pronoun "these things" in the disciples' question, as found in vs 3, refer to the temple destruction in vs 1-2. In vs 4, Jesus "answers" them. So contextually, the OD contains at least in part answer to the disciples' question about when the temple will be destroyed.

Appealing to Thayer's, since I don't speak the original koine greek language, the lexicon has the meaning of the greek word's "holy place" in vs 15 as referring to the temple.

• ἅγιος (holy) : a. of things which on account of some connection with God possess a certain distinction and claim to reverence, as places sacred to God which are not to be profaned, Acts 7:33; τόπος ἅγιος the temple, Matthew 24:15
• τόπος (place) : a. an inhabited place, as a city, village, district: Luke 4:37; Luke 10:1; Acts 12:12; Acts 16:3; Acts 27:2, 8; 1 Corinthians 1:2; 2 Corinthians 2:14; 1 Thessalonians 1:8; Revelation 18:17 (G L T Tr WH); τόν τόπον καί τό ἔθνος, the place which the nation inhabit, i. e. the holy land and the Jewish people, John 11:48 (cf. 2 Macc. 5:19f); τόπος ἅγιος, the temple (which the Sept. of Isa. Ix. 13 calls ὁ ἅγιος τόπος τοῦ Θεοῦ), Matthew 24:15.

Arguing it is not found in the OD a single time, is simply not true. It's only not found because your theological framework demands it not be found.

 

[claninja]

This obviously has zero to do with why the city and temple would be destroyed in their near future. Not to mention, His warning is still applicable to us in our day and age. And that there is no literal temple that is going to be destroyed in our near future.

The preterist position is that matthew 24:4-14 consists of events that occur in the years PRIOR to and leading up to the destruction of the temple and city. I don't think any preterist would argue vs 4-14 explain why the city and temple were destroyed.

As to why I submitted my session with Chatgpt is because it's as if it could read my mind, argue what I would argue, reason these things how I would reason these things. I had very little input in that session, yet based on the little I did input, Chatgpt articulated my view to a T. How? I'm not sure? Unless you are logged in to Chatgpt, it does not recall any prior sessions with you. I was not logged in at the time, and everything I submitted in the OP was exactly how that session went down.

If nothing else, if some have failed to understand my view in the past, it should be crystal clear now. Assuming one has read the entire OP.

Are you aware that ChatGpt is designed to present responses and information in way that feels affirming to the users point of view, and in a non-confrontational way?

 

[Zao is life]

That's a big red flag to me. It sounds like an echo chamber.

Much love!

It agreed 100% with me also and I never even went to ChatGPT but to God asking Him to give me the understanding of His Word - and my understanding took a while to develop because that's the way it is with us fallible humans - the Holy Spirit has to gradually reveal more and more.

The difference between one group and another among saints is that the group I belong to always holds the scriptures as the authority over our understanding so that when scripture reveals our misunderstanding, we immediately acknowledge it, with gratitude to God that He showed us what we were missing

- unlike all those who have willingly crawled into one or other box with a label like Preterism, Pre-Tribulationism, Partial Preterism, Amillennailism, Post-Millennialism, Dispensationalism, Historic Premillennialism (which has the new heavens and earth following the thousand years - which has the thousand years following the return of Christ - but is not Dispensationalism), etc etc.

They all block the Holy Spirit from enabling them to think out of their own respective boxes and show them what they have been missing.

Even when the Spirit of our Lord tries to show them what they have been missing, they stubbornly refuse to think out of their box.

 

[Zao is life]

The OP is rather lengthy. Will have to post it over numerous posts. I want to further demonstrate how one my sessions with Chatgpt typically go. Pretty much everything Chatgpt has concluded is already my position to begin with. Except it can obviously articulate these things a thousand times better than I ever could.
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Me:

I don't know why some interpreters insist that the destruction of the city and temple was the main focus throughout the Discourse? Most of the Discourse is not even focusing on the destruction of the city and temple. It is focusing on the fate of the church while Christ is away.

For example, look how Jesus begins all 3 accounts.

Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Mark 13:5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:
6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.


From the very git go the main focus is on the church not the 2nd temple and the destruction of Jerusalem. What does any of the above have to do with why the Romans attacked their city and destroyed it with their temple, and destroyed the ones that refused to leave the city before it was to be attacked? Why did Jesus begin the Discourse in that manner? Is one going to argue, and expect to be taken seriously, that what Jesus warned about in the verses above, that that warning is not meant for us today as well?

In the Discourse maybe 5% or less of it is focusing on what happened in 70 AD, the rest of it has more important things to focus on since these things begin affecting things on a global scale.
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Chatgpt:

I didn't read all ChatGPT replied till now, being tempted once again to see if it disagreed with what I already understood - and it agreed 100% with my understanding.

I find ChatGPT's lengthy replies quite irritating though because it repeats itself even more than I do - and repeats the same things using different words and different arguments.

I praise God that He gives me understanding of His Word and personally, I will be very reluctant to go to ChatGPT to get my understanding "confirmed" by an intelligence that is artificial

- because as you and I already discovered, it can give you and me a very different answer - such as the answer it first gave you, and then gave me when I challenged its reply regarding Matthew 5:25 - of which the context is Matthew 5:24-28.

I would naturally say to you "well done and good work" regarding this thread - but obviously I would not say that if the replies you got disagreed with my own understanding.

Not really fair to cite ChatGPT

- instead of using its wording and making it your own wording without saying where you got your wording from

- because it tempts those who do not agree with its answers into feeling obliged to go and challenge its replies

- like I did for an answer it gave you confirming your view of one verse in one very short passage.

This one is a very lengthy passage and it would take even a lot more time for those who disagree with our understanding to sit with ChatGPT challenging its replies.

I really don't care if ChatGPT's replies agree with my understanding or not - citing ChatGPT is still just not fair, IMO.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Christ came in the Kingdom of God that is not physical but spiritual. Christ most often, in fact commonly uses physical things to convey a greater spiritual picture of fulfillment that points us to the spiritual Kingdom of God that cannot be physically seen. When Jesus says, "See ye all these things" do you not believe He is using physical things (city, temple, stones) to convey a spiritual reality of the Kingdom of God He came in?

What exactly would the temple buildings represent in a spiritual sense?

Mark 13:1 Then as He went out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, “Teacher, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!” 2 And Jesus answered and said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone shall be left upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

So, Jesus and the disciples were in the physical temple and they went outside of it. First, the disciples told Jesus to look at the stones and the buildings of the temple. They were impressed by the appearance of the temple buildings and stones. But, Jesus was not impressed. He referred to the physical temple buildings standing at the time and then said not one stone of the temple buildings would be left upon another. There is no indication or even any hint at all given there that Jesus was speaking about anything besides the physical temple buildings and their physical destruction. And, His prophecy was fulfilled exactly according to He said would happen. The temple buildings were indeed destroyed in 70 AD with no stone left upon another. There is no reason at all to spiritualize this text. We should instead be touting the accuracy of Christ's prophecy.