Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Christian Soldier]

free will an illusion?

here is what God says about it please read closely and let the Words of GOD SINK IN.

The Choice of Life and Death​

Deu 30:11 For this commandment I give you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach.

Deu 30:12 It is not in heaven, that you should need to ask, ‘Who will ascend into heaven to get it for us and proclaim it, that we may obey it?’

Deu 30:13 And it is not beyond the sea, that you should need to ask, ‘Who will cross the sea to get it for us and proclaim it, that we may obey it?’

Deu 30:14 But the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you may obey it.

Deu 30:15 See, I have set before you today life and goodness, as well as death and disaster.

Deu 30:16 For I am commanding you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, statutes, and ordinances, so that you may live and increase, and the LORD your God may bless you in the land that you are entering to possess.

Deu 30:17 But if your heart turns away and you do not listen, but are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them,

Deu 30:18 I declare to you today that you will surely perish; you shall not prolong your days in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess.

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you today that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Therefore choose life, so that you and your descendants may live,

Deu 30:20 and that you may love the LORD your God, obey Him, and hold fast to Him. For He is your life, and He will prolong your life in the land that the LORD swore to give to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

Jesus Obeyed and did his fathers Will so we must do the same because we Love him. But it is a choice that is put before us. What we decide determines the outcome, choose wisely.

There are many problems with your theory here. First of all, you took all of those verses out of their intended context. Those verses were directed at the Israelites, who lived 3400 years ago. They were under the old covenant, so you need to factor that into your theory.

The other thing you conveniently forgot to mention is the tens of thousands who God killed in the desert. He would kill thousands in a single day for their disobedience. He knew full well that not all of Israel were His elect or (chosen people) if you like.

God gave Moses the commandments in the Sini desert, knowing full well that nobody could keep them. This is why they had to keep slaughtering animals and burning them perpetually. They could never atone for their sins because it was impossible to keep the commandments, so they had to keep on repeating the same ritual shedding of blood all the time.

You will notice, no Christian has ever needed to sacrifice anything to earn salvation. God gives it to His elect for free, we don't need to keep a single commandment to be saved. So you will need to revaluate your theology and take these things into consideration.

The Lord Jesus has already paid for every single one of my past, present and future sins, so I can enjoy Him and life, without any fear of losing my salvation, or any condemnation or punishment t for all of my sin.
Your works based salvation theory is very sad news, but the true gospel is very good news.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I explain exactly what you do myself, I agree with you.

If Jesus was standing right next to you and explained something to you, would you take his advice?
Would you get your answers and direction from Jesus words or from some other source?

That's a silly question, for a few reasons. First of all, Jesus has nothing to say to me, He has already said what He wanted to say to me 2000 years ago. So if I rejected what he said back then, why should I believe Him now?

Jesus has not spoken to any person in the past 2000 years, and nobody can speak to Him because He has been in heaven for the past 2000 years.
Why would the Lord Jesus need to explain anything to me when He has outsourced teaching to our earthly Shepherds. Us dumb Sheep have to take the advice of our Shepherds, because they are responsible for teaching us and leading us and protecting us from the enemy.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Luke 19:10
New International Version
For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

Mark 21:17
Berean Standard Bible
On hearing this, Jesus told them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

Luke 5:32
New King James Version
I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”

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and also:

1 Timothy 1:15
New American Standard Bible
It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost.

1 John 2:1-2
Legacy Standard Bible
My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; 2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

That's a great big load of rubbish, where is the verse that says he came to save every single person Answer! NOWHERE!!! so please stop making this non existent rubbish up........

 

[Christian Soldier]

I am not trying to debate with you, I wish there was something in the Bible we could agree on.

Gods Word explains why we can't agree on anything

2 Corinthians 6:14, "Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?"

This passage emphasizes that believers (light/righteousness) should not have close, binding relationships with unbelievers (darkness/lawlessness) because they are fundamentally different, drawing parallels to Christ and Belial, and God's temple and idols.

 

[Christian Soldier]

- You just mentioned: That's right, He came to save people from every tribe and tongue.

- Then you say: But you would be lying to suggest that He came to save every single person as that is ridiculous.

First you say "that's right", then you say "that is ridiculous."

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I'm not saying that in the end every single person is going to be saved, Jesus explains many will be destroyed and few find the road that leads to life. [ The Gospel of Jesus, gives the hope of Salvation to everyone when they first learn about it, but each person has a choice, and it looks like the majority do not choose to put the words in the Bible into practice ] Luke 8:21, Mark 3:35

Matthew 7:13-14
New International Version
“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

More rubbish and false accusations. Where did I say He came to save every single person from every single tribe and tongue. Answer>>> Nowhere, you just made that trash up as usual.

 

[walter]

So if I rejected what he said back then

I just like to read Jesus words, like he is standing right next to me, I know this sounds a little silly, but I think Jesus words are Paramount.

That's a great big load of rubbish, where is the verse that says he came to save every single person Answer! NOWHERE!!! so please stop making this non existent rubbish up........

All I have is related scriptures to the subject, and I believe the scriptures are relevant to what we are talking about. Sorry you don't see it that way.

2 Corinthians 6:14, "Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?"

I do not understand why you are so hostile?

Didn't the Apostles talk to all kinds of people? Talking about the Bible is not Fellowship, otherwise why would the apostles have done it?

I am very sorry you have to take everything in such a negative way. / I do not feel a debate on the Bible subjects is a negative thing.

More rubbish and false accusations. Where did I say He came to save every single person from every single tribe and tongue. Answer>>> Nowhere, you just made that trash up as usual.

Sorry to speak incorrectly if I did.. Thanks for the conversation, I extend you, peace and joy and may you find more happiness each day, sorry for being disagreeable, I don't like debates.

I like to explain why I believe something with scriptures and look at the scriptures someone else has that supports what they believe.
That's all,

 

[LoveYeshua]

There are many problems with your theory here. First of all, you took all of those verses out of their intended context. Those verses were directed at the Israelites, who lived 3400 years ago. They were under the old covenant, so you need to factor that into your theory.

The other thing you conveniently forgot to mention is the tens of thousands who God killed in the desert. He would kill thousands in a single day for their disobedience. He knew full well that not all of Israel were His elect or (chosen people) if you like.

God gave Moses the commandments in the Sini desert, knowing full well that nobody could keep them. This is why they had to keep slaughtering animals and burning them perpetually. They could never atone for their sins because it was impossible to keep the commandments, so they had to keep on repeating the same ritual shedding of blood all the time.

You will notice, no Christian has ever needed to sacrifice anything to earn salvation. God gives it to His elect for free, we don't need to keep a single commandment to be saved. So you will need to revaluate your theology and take these things into consideration.

The Lord Jesus has already paid for every single one of my past, present and future sins, so I can enjoy Him and life, without any fear of losing my salvation, or any condemnation or punishment t for all of my sin.
Your works based salvation theory is very sad news, but the true gospel is very good news.

there are things you understand very well but others you miss completely. like the ten Commandments and the law of Moses are 2 different laws one is permanent the other transitory. the Ten Commandments are the Covenant and were placed Inside the ARK of the COVENANT , the rest of the law of Moses was placed outside the Ark. the sacrifices the Levites performed for sin offering was part of the Levetical laws and are no more today but the ten commandments are eternal and completely valid and to be obeyed fully today. this is why jesus said "if you Love me, keep the commandments" read also the rich young ruler story it has a lot to say.

Another thing, even then the israelites did welcome strangers or gentiles within their people, in the time of Moses , Jesus preached to the Jews first, his chosen people but also preached to gentiles when they were around ( Samaritan woman, gentiles at the sermon on the mount) all who came and will come to Him are always welcome. JESUS sent also His disciples to the ends of the world to teach all he did and said, he WAS teaching the ten commandments that are the Covenant. never learned this in your church? until you grasp this you wont understand A THING AND will remain in darkness. Jesus was teaching REPENT, I say the same to you for the Kingdom is coming our way and be ready! ( read the 10 virgin parable) time is short.

 

[LoveYeshua]

What you need to read is who Christ chose to teach salvation to believers today :-
Acts 9:15, Acts 15:6-25, Gal 2 :7-9, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16
Will you next claim that Job was saved by the 1 Cor 15:1-4 Gospel ?

First and it matters Peter was chosen by God to preach to the gentiles (Acts 17:7)before Paul ever did. you seem to think that going to the gentiles was only given to Paul and that is false, the other disciples of Jesus did the same as Jesus did ask them to teach all he did and said to all the world, this was a command of Jesus and they followed this.!(Matt 28:16-20)

Jesus never said that His words would stop mattering later, or that another teacher would replace Him. He said plainly, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away” (Matthew 24:35). If His words do not pass away, then they still judge, still teach, and still save.

Jesus also said, “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17), and “He who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life” (John 5:24). He did not say this only for one group of people or for one short time. He spoke to all who would hear Him.

You point to Acts, but Acts does not replace Jesus. In Acts 15, the final judgment was not given by Paul. It was given by James, and it agreed with the prophets and with what Jesus already taught. Peter also spoke there, and Peter said that God made no difference between Jews and Gentiles, purifying their hearts by faith, not by changing the teaching of Jesus.

Jesus commanded His apostles, “Teach them to observe all things that I have commanded you” (Matthew 28:20). He did not say, “Teach them something new later.” He said to teach what He Himself taught.

As for Job, Job lived by faith in God and obedience to the light he was given. Jesus Himself said, “Abraham rejoiced to see My day” (John 8:56). Salvation has always been by trusting God and walking in His ways, not by knowing a future written formula.

The real question is simple. If Jesus is Lord, why would His words be set aside? He said, “The word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day” (John 12:48). That means His words are still the standard.

Following Jesus is not rejecting anyone. It is simply refusing to place anyone above Him. So you Know Paul said he himself followed Jesus.

 

[Fillan]

Yes.
Salvation is a gift and is to be treasured and taken care of.
We can know right now, at this moment, that we are saved.
There is no way to be sure that we will be saved at the time of our death.

Hello! I would say that is where assurance of salvation comes in. This is an interesting scripture, Jesus speaking:

John 5:24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned but has crossed over from death to life"

Whoever hears the word of the Lord and believes has eternal life (present tense), will not be condemned (future tense), but has crossed over from death to life (past tense). So yes you can be sure that you will be saved, thank you Jesus. God Bless You

 

[LoveYeshua]

Hello! I would say that is where assurance of salvation comes in. This is an interesting scripture, Jesus speaking:

John 5:24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned but has crossed over from death to life"

Whoever hears the word of the Lord and believes has eternal life (present tense), will not be condemned (future tense), but has crossed over from death to life (past tense). So yes you can be sure that you will be saved, thank you Jesus. God Bless You

What does the word "believe" here mean in this context? simply believe Jesus exist and all he said is good and true and you are saved? or does it mean to do as he did and follow him, and do as he asks us to do? do you think it requires an action on our part or simply passively believe?

“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? (Luke 6:46 NKJV)

 

[Fillan]

What does the word "believe" here mean in this context? simply believe Jesus exist and all he said is good and true and you are saved? or does it mean to do as he did and follow him, and do as he asks us to do? do you think it requires an action on our part or simply passively believe?

“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? (Luke 6:46 NKJV)

Hello! Thank you for your reply and for your question. Here is the context:

John 5: 24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. 25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.

28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. 30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

v25 The dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. v28 Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

As the Lord Jesus already said in v24 that those who believe will not be condemned, the v 29 'those who have done good' are those who believe. John 6:29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” I don't think believing is passive, nor is it trusting in our own works for salvation.

God Bless You

 

[Rightglory]

That's a great big load of rubbish, where is the verse that says he came to save every single person Answer! NOWHERE!!! so please stop making this non existent rubbish up........

In my Bible there are several texts that say He came to save every single person.
Here are some texts that clearly show God's will and desire to call all men to Himself.

I Tim 1:15 "He came into the world to save sinners. Who in your theology are sinners?
Rom 5:6 "in due time Christ died for the ungodly."
I Tim 2:4.. "who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth
I Tim 2:6 "who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time
Acts 17:30, Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent.
Titus 2:11, For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men.
Mark 2:17, " I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance".

For additional help these texts all refer to belief as central to becoming a member of His Kingdom. I am still looking but I have yet to find any text that says salvation cannot be lost. I find no text regarding the concept of election, in regard to believers. There are texts that point out one is of the elect if one believes. The only way I see to be saved is through faith. In every case believe is always in present tense, active. It is never in the past tense or static. I see no guarnantee anywhere that it is impossible for any believer to lose faith "salvation".
Mark 13:
II Cor 2:15,
Rom 2:6-8,
John 1:12,
John 1: 7,

 

[LoveYeshua]

Hello! Thank you for your reply and for your question. Here is the context:

John 5: 24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. 25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.

28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. 30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

v25 The dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. v28 Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

As the Lord Jesus already said in v24 that those who believe will not be condemned, the v 29 'those who have done good' are those who believe. John 6:29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” I don't think believing is passive, nor is it trusting in our own works for salvation.

God Bless You

Jesus never taught that believing is only something in the mind. When He speaks of believing, He always connects it to listening, following, and doing.

Jesus said, “He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me” (John 14:21, NKJV). Love for God is shown by obedience, not just by agreement. If belief had no action, Jesus would not have tied love to keeping His words.

In the parable of the two builders, Jesus said, “Whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man… But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man” (Matthew 7:24–26, NKJV). Both heard His words. The difference was action. One acted, the other did not. Only one stood firm.

Like I mentionned in the previous post, Jesus said, “Why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46, NKJV). This shows clearly that calling Him Lord and believing in Him without obedience is not enough.

In Matthew 25, Jesus described the final judgment. The sheep are welcomed because they fed the hungry, helped the weak, and showed mercy. The goats are rejected because they did nothing. Jesus did not say these actions earned salvation, but they revealed the heart. Those who loved Him naturally acted in love.

Even in John 5:29, Jesus Himself says, “Those who have done good will rise to the resurrection of life” (NKJV). Jesus does not separate believing from doing. Doing good is the fruit of true faith, not a replacement for it.

So belief is not passive. True faith listens to Jesus, loves Him, and wants to follow Him. Actions do not save us, but they show that our faith is alive and that we truly love God. Just as Jesus taught, a good tree bears good fruit.

 

[LoveYeshua]

That's a great big load of rubbish, where is the verse that says he came to save every single person Answer! NOWHERE!!! so please stop making this non existent rubbish up........

“And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.” (1 John 2:2)

“The Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.” (1 John 4:14)

“The bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.” (John 6:51)

“For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.”(John 3:17)

“Look to Me, and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other.” (Isaiah 45:22)

 

[GodsGrace]

Hello! I would say that is where assurance of salvation comes in. This is an interesting scripture, Jesus speaking:

John 5:24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned but has crossed over from death to life"

Whoever hears the word of the Lord and believes has eternal life (present tense), will not be condemned (future tense), but has crossed over from death to life (past tense). So yes you can be sure that you will be saved, thank you Jesus. God Bless You

Yes sir Fillan.
Jesus certainly knew what He was teaching.

Let's look at your verse again:

John 5:24 Your exact verse from whatever version you're quoting (which really makes no difference)
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned but has crossed over from death to life"


Jesus is teaching this:

WHOEVER hears HIS voice ---- this would be a saved person.
AND
believes in Him who sent Jesus (this would be God) ---- whoever believes/follows/trusts/obeys/etc.
has eternal life ----- the believer that trusts and obeys God has eternal life.

So...we learn that BELIEVE is in the present tense....
we must be believing at the time of our death.

And we learn that we must believe....believe in the Greek meant much more than we understand today; I'm sure you must know that BELIEVE means to follow/to learn from/to trust/to obey/to do as one is taught.

So we must be believing at the time of our death.
NOWHERE does Jesus teach that we are assured salvation if we do NOT do as He taught.

IOW,,,,what if we stop believing?

 

[GodsGrace]

Outside of Paul (Rom-Philemon) were does Scripture teach that anyone else has the Christ given Acts 9:15 role of Rom 11:13 Apostle & Rom 15:16 Minister to the Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11, Gal 6:15 believers ?
Just the verses Walter, let them do the talking :)

rvmb
If @walter posted scripture the way YOU do...there would not be much to talk about.

Please post SCRIPTURE,,,,chapter and verse -written out like it's supposed to be....
to make your point so that others could reply to you without having the NT in front of them.

You mentioned Acts 9:15, Romans 11:13 and other verses.


So let's let the verses do the talking.
POST THEM!

And it should also be explained WHY you're posting them.

 

[walter]

one scripture says believe in Jesus and get Everlasting life. John 3:16
one scripture says get baptized and you'll be saved. Mark 16:16
one scripture says salvation is a free gift. Ephesians 2:8-9
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matt 7:21
one says "works of the law" do not give salvation. Galatians 2:16
one says Jesus is the author of Salvation for all those obeying him. Hebrews 5:9
one says observe all the things that I have commanded you. Matthew 28:20
one says salvation does not come from any works. Titus 35
one says always have plenty to do in the work of the Lord. 1 Corinthians 15:58
one says faith without works is dead. James 2:14-26
one says my brother and my sister are the ones that read the word of God and put it into practice. Luke 8:21
By their fruits you will recognize them. Matthew 7:16
Let us not become weary in doing good... Galatians 6:9
But he who endures to the end shall be saved. NKJV Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13, Hebrews 10:36, Revelation 2:10

Would you say that each scripture is "A Piece of Truth" that we should include in our understanding?


No. they are pieces of Truth in the Bible and should be included in our understanding, shouldn't they?

1. I believe in the first place, salvation is a free gift, Jesus is the one that paid the price for our Salvation.
2. and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him. NIV Hebrews 5:9

I have revised my comments adding the corresponding scriptures.

"that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" John 3:16
"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved" Mark 16:16
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" Ephesians 2:8-9
"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven" Matt 7:21
"a person is not justified by the works of the law" Galatians 2:16
"and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him" Hebrews 5:9
"teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you" Matthew 28:20
"he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy" Titus 3:5
"Always excel in the work of the Lord" Berean Standard Bible 1 Corinthians 15:58
"faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead" James 2:17
"He replied, “My mother and brothers are those who hear God’s word and put it into practice.” Luke 8:21
"By their fruit you will recognize them" Matthew 7:16
"Let us not become weary in doing good" Galatians 6:9
"but whoever rejects the Son "will not see life" John 3:36, Matthew 7:14
"But the one who endures to the end will be saved" NKJV Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13, Hebrews 10:36

Question: Could it be possible?
1. Salvation is a free gift, for believers, and it is not earned by any work, Jesus paid the price for everyone!
2. "he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him" Hebrews 5:9, "He replied, “My mother and brothers are those who hear God’s word and put it into practice.” Luke 8:21, "teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you" Matthew 28:20
3. Should we pick a few scriptures, or should we include all the scriptures relevant to get a more complete understanding?

 

[Berean]

In that post I asked you :-
""List the verses from Paul that :-
He was worried about losing his Salvation.
A Saint today can become UNsaved :)""
**
No diversions just list the verses from Paul that answers those 2 simple questions.

Yes, and I asked are we limited to the writings of the Apostle Paul? because you wanted a list of verses from Paul, not the Bible in general.

 

[rvmb]

Yes, and I asked are we limited to the writings of the Apostle Paul? because you wanted a list of verses from Paul, not the Bible in general.

""Yes, and I asked are we limited to the writings of the Apostle Paul?""
The request was for verses, your inability to supply them confirms there are none.
Conclusion :-
- Paul was not worried about losing his Salvation
- Paul does not teach a saint today can become unsaved.

 

[rvmb]

First and it matters Peter was chosen by God to preach to the gentiles (Acts 17:7)before Paul ever did. you seem to think that going to the gentiles was only given to Paul and that is false, the other disciples of Jesus did the same as Jesus did ask them to teach all he did and said to all the world, this was a command of Jesus and they followed this.!(Matt 28:16-20)

Jesus never said that His words would stop mattering later, or that another teacher would replace Him. He said plainly, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away” (Matthew 24:35). If His words do not pass away, then they still judge, still teach, and still save.

Jesus also said, “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17), and “He who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life” (John 5:24). He did not say this only for one group of people or for one short time. He spoke to all who would hear Him.

You point to Acts, but Acts does not replace Jesus. In Acts 15, the final judgment was not given by Paul. It was given by James, and it agreed with the prophets and with what Jesus already taught. Peter also spoke there, and Peter said that God made no difference between Jews and Gentiles, purifying their hearts by faith, not by changing the teaching of Jesus.

Jesus commanded His apostles, “Teach them to observe all things that I have commanded you” (Matthew 28:20). He did not say, “Teach them something new later.” He said to teach what He Himself taught.

As for Job, Job lived by faith in God and obedience to the light he was given. Jesus Himself said, “Abraham rejoiced to see My day” (John 8:56). Salvation has always been by trusting God and walking in His ways, not by knowing a future written formula.

The real question is simple. If Jesus is Lord, why would His words be set aside? He said, “The word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day” (John 12:48). That means His words are still the standard.

Following Jesus is not rejecting anyone. It is simply refusing to place anyone above Him. So you Know Paul said he himself followed Jesus.

""First and it matters Peter was chosen by God to preach to the gentiles (Acts 17:7)before Paul ever did.""
Acts 17:7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, one Jesus.
Try again LY with the right verses so we can discuss your concerns STEP by STEP