WATER BAPTISM CAUSES DIVISIONS
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Why else would we be water baptized? It sure doesn't wash away sins.
1 Peter 3:21
21 There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
True, but I have no doubt that many are saved but not baptized. It's a learning process.
Jesus commanded the disciples to teach and baptize the nations NOT us
Jesus gives us his commands thru Paul............[1 Corinthians 14:37 KJV] "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord."
Please show me where Paul taught baptism
Please show me where Jesus commanded us to be water baptized
Matthew 28 doesnt say it applies to the millennial kingdom. The disciples didnt go to all nations and in fact decided not to go to the Gentiles...............[Galatians 2:9 KJV] "And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."..........they didnt fulfill what was commanded them and I think it will be fulfilled in the future. The most logical assumption is for the Gentile nations that they will teach and baptize to be in the millennial kingdom since they didnt go to the nations in their earthly ministry. They will be resurrected in the kingdom and fulfill Matthew 28. You dont have to give this any credence. If you think Matthew 28 is for you can I respectfully ask what nations have you taught and baptized?
We have our great commission here..............
[2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV] "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."
[2 Corinthians 5:20 KJV] "Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."
Are you saying Jesus and Paul taught the same thing?
Jesus came to Israel. He preached the gospel of the kingdom, that the millennial earthly kingdom was at hand. Paul didnt preach this gospel, he preached that Christ died for our sins and rose for our justification.
Jesus taught Israel about the kingdom, Paul didnt
Jesus fulfilled the law and taught it...................
[Matthew 19:17 KJV] "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."
[Matthew 19:18 KJV] "He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,"
If we love him I can adhere to some of his commandments such as.....................[Matthew 7:12 KJV] "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.".......I dont obey commandments not given to me such as Matthew 28:19
Paul restates all of the ten commandments except the Sabbath
Peter was writing to believing Jews. Israel was commanded to be baptized Paul nowhere tells us to be water baptized
To say we get baptized as a public confession of saints is manmade doctrine not scriptural
Fine, but just so you know, you said water baptism was just a declaration and now by citing Mark 16 you are saying it saves
Why won't you be baptized??? It is clearly NT. Jesus commanded it. His Apostles baptized! You're simply rebelling against God!
Here is the gospel and there is nothing about water baptism saving us. Paul said he was sent NOT to baptize.............[1 Corinthians 1:17 KJV] "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect."
THE GOSPEL
Total evasion! Water baptism is Christian / NT! Rebelling against God's COMMANDS is grievous SIN!
Ronald Nolette
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Well this shows your lack of study. There was no law for Jews to be baptized. No ordinance, no command and absolutely 0 in the Mosaic Law. You have failed. Rid yourself of this false teaching.
Ronald Nolette
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But He baptized many! And The Corinth church had set up camps. It was not baptism but people following that caused division. You are in disobedience.Paul stopped baptizing. He knew water baptism was causing divisions in the church..................
[1 Corinthians 1:11 KJV] "For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of Ce, that there are contentions among you."
[1 Corinthians 1:12 KJV] "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."
[1 Corinthians 1:13 KJV] "Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?".......................It was revealed to Paul that there is one baptism and that by the Spirit................[1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV] "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."
If baptism was, as you say, required for obedience, why didnt he baptize all? He said he was glad he didnt...............[1 Corinthians 1:14 KJV] "I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;"
Ronald Nolette
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YOu are wrong again! He did not speak in the future and tell the Apostles to wait until the Millennial kingdom ot make disciples! You have reinterpreted Scripture.
Ronald Nolette
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In regards to the law, water purified sin...........[Numbers 19:9 KJV] "And a man [that is] clean shall gather up the ashes of the heifer, and lay [them] up without the camp in a clean place, and it shall be kept for the congregation of the children of Israel for a water of separation: it [is] a purification for sin."
In regards to no command to be baptized.........[Mark 16:16 KJV] "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
[Acts 2:38 KJV] "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Paul baptized many?...............[1 Corinthians 1:14 KJV] "I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;"
[1 Corinthians 1:16 KJV] "And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other."
Why would Paul talk so much about baptisms if it wasnt part of their problem?
He didnt tell them it would be in the future, the kingdom was at hand, but rejected. If Jesus was received as their Messiah and the Son of God and they believed the gospel of the kingdom Matthew 28 would have been fulfilled. They rejected it so I say it wont be fulfilled til the kingdom is established.
The disciples partially fulfilled Mark 16:...........[Mark 16:16 KJV] "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
[Mark 16:17 KJV] "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;".........this was interrupted by our dispensation
The disciples decided not to fulfill Matthew 28 by deciding to not go to the Gentiles..........................[Galatians 2:9 KJV] "And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."..............the only logical place they could fulfill Matthew 28 would to go to the Gentiles in the millennial kingdom
If you are referring to this..................[Romans 6:3 KJV] "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?".........this isnt water baptism, its Spirit baptism
