Just interested how many of my fairer skin brothers and sisters here IN CHRIST, have ever felt the need to apologize for being white?
JD Vance's Speech
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ScottA
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Thank you! from my Christian brothers and sisters that would be the response I expect. It has to be taught as part of the Gospel.
As a child, I was reared up in a Pentecostal Church with individuals that looked like me, as a child I viewed anybody not belonging to my church as on their way to hell, since at that time there were no other cultures there present, I thought all whites were going to hell. At some point I remember my grandmother taking me to a fellowship with a "white" Pentecostal church, and I remarked to her, "Oh here are the white folks that are going to Heaven" She looked at me in amazement, once home, she asked me why I said that? and I explained to her my mindset.
I will never forget her saying, baby God created us all, in His Spiritual image, we are all His Creation, and He loves us all.
I today would never expect anyone to apologize for what "color" they are! JD Vance is a hypocrite when he speaks of being a Christian and declare this statement from his mouth
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I didn't hear Vance's statement yet so can't comment.
I've always been color blind as were my parents. And I'm 75 years old so my parents were ahead of their time in not being prejudiced people.
I've always been color blind as were my parents. And I'm 75 years old so my parents were ahead of their time in not being prejudiced people.
ScottA
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I am not sure what hypocrisy you are referring to. I just read the transcript of JD Vance's speech and don't see it.
JD's GOP attempt to reach out at AmericaFest statement "was you don't have to apologize for being white anymore" no race should ever feel a need to apologize, now where the hypocrisy of that statement comes in, is the inuendo that "whites" were and are somehow discriminated against for being white. That is a KKK in a suit comment, and as you stated ANY race issue is not of God.
I read the transcript as well, and he did try to make an inclusive stand for all, but either him or his speech writers, dropped the ball, that comment was geared to a certain element of individuals, that do not possess the love of Christ, or maybe that was were the ball was intended to be caught?
No true Christian stormed the capitol, only a certain element that was manipulated by words.
ScottA
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It is unfortunate that you apparently have not perceived what has become a form of self-loathing--but not only self--a stereo type of those of European nationality or descent. It is real, as a form of reverse racism turned to self-loathing, just as apparent as any form of racism. Is it not strange to hear white people say, "I hate that I am white?" Because they do. Because of guilt, even if they had nothing to do with the original discrimination. That is what it has come to.
I hope that it helps you understand that most of us were also very much unaware and not able to perceive--not participating in--those original and greater forms of racism. Most bore no such hatred. And when we did become aware, we fought and died to put an end to it. Which we thought, having grown up learning the history--and coming to love everyone--that it was over.
Then it became an evil but useful political tool. Shame on them.
The first time the so-called white-hatred hit me as such, it made me think of that old makeup or shampoo commercial that said, "Don't hate me 'cause I'm beautiful." It's just a form of "calling good evil"--not because anyone was or is actually better, certainly not in God's eyes--but because God-given fortune has and does seem to smile upon some and not on others. So instead of blaming or hating God, it gives a hater someone else to hate, and gives them a scapegoat to blame for all other forms of misfortune and everything wrong in the world. Which, indeed has and does go both ways.
Again, this too is against God.
As for me--I descended from Falkirk, Scotland, meaning "speckled church" referring to a church built with different colored stones, and from the big sky country of Montana.
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I can appreciate what you state here. Please know that I understand as most that the hurdles we jumped and are still jumping came with the help of concerned ones filled with the love of God.I hope that it helps you understand that most of us were also very much unaware and not able to perceive--not participating in--those original and greater forms of racism. Most bore no such hatred. And when we did become aware, we fought and died to put an end to it. Which we thought, having grown up learning the history--and coming to love everyone--that it was over.
As for me--I descended from Falkirk, Scotland, meaning "specked church" referring to a church built with different colored stones, and from the big sky country of Montana.
Again we are all created in the Spiritual image of our Father, and He loves us all, However I remain still very concerned with the message JD gave to those who are looking for a reason to kill, steal and destroy. Be Blessed
ScottA
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Vance is the guy who said Trump may be America's Hitler, until it became politically advantageous for him to change his tune. He's just spouting maga talking points. I remember Trump saying the skies are now safe again after he nixed DEI; but since he took office, you can't turn on the news without hearing about the latest aviation disaster. He appointed Sean Duffy, a guy with no experience, as transportation secretary. I guess maga figures it's better to have a white guy with no experience than someone with dark skin who actually knows what they're doing.
To Scott- JD say specifically " ones did not have to apologies for being white" that makes me feel just like SavedInHim's post
ScottA
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I'm not following you. Do you mean the "not have to apologize for bein white?"
Do you think anyone should have to apologize for their race, or be blamed for any number of things because of their race?
No, as I previously stated earlier, no one should apologize for how much or the lack of melanin is in their body, JD's statement is a tool of the devil to cause confusion, that makes him a hypocrite! because God is not the author of confusion, and he CLAIMS to be a Christian.
ScottA
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How so? You're not making sense.
You need to check your information better before making assumptions and accusations. Read your statements above and then read the statement from God's word below:
"And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. 7 Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” 8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city." Genesis 11:6-8
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1Corinthians 14:33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace, as in all the congregations of the Lord's people, I live under the New Testament
It is sad that you can't see the enemy's strategy, but my brother you do not have to ashamed of having less melanin in your body and I am definitely not ashamed of having more in mine, because spiritually we are all created in the image of God. Be Blessed
ScottA
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But I do see--I see you accusing a brother and a race of people for feeling the very real blame against them based merely on their skin color and speaking out against it. In addition to prejudice, reverse prejudice is also very real.
The point is, while racism has greatly waned, reverse racism is at an all time high. Those former generations that were indeed guilty of racism deserved the backlash. But those generations are almost all dead and gone, and it is this generation that learned to love every one regardless of race are now suffering the blame. Christians are not supposed to respond in kind. Both are equally wrong--both of the devil. And if you don't see all of what Vance said and I have tried to explain...then it is you who are not seeing things as they now are.
Reversed racism is a myth!
Racism and prejudice are often confused, but the distinction matters. Prejudice is personal bias. Racism is systemic inequity. Personally self-respect and pride has to be taught in the home.
I don't want JD to apologize for the color of his skin. I want him to apologize for the content of his character.
If he and whomever else is experiencing a self-loathing behind what "generations almost dead and gone" did, I pray that they take it to the Lord in prayer, if not reconciled there, the self-loathing will always foster prejudice.
Racism and prejudice are often confused, but the distinction matters. Prejudice is personal bias. Racism is systemic inequity. Personally self-respect and pride has to be taught in the home.
I don't want JD to apologize for the color of his skin. I want him to apologize for the content of his character.
If he and whomever else is experiencing a self-loathing behind what "generations almost dead and gone" did, I pray that they take it to the Lord in prayer, if not reconciled there, the self-loathing will always foster prejudice.
At my dads 60th I said to one old Danish dude in his 80's, Their is X and he said that dude is a Norwegian ! so he did not like Norwegian's ?
I had no Idea of such nonsense ! but found out it had to do with a Danish Norwegian War and also WW2. me at 35yo I knew nothing of such, nor could give a rats about such.
I remember that my Danish Grand dad always called him Pin Head, when translated in English.
I found that The Danish people in Australia totaly hated the Germans because of WW2, even moreso than Danish in Denmark in say the 1990's.
My Mum was total nut in hatred regards Germans, but such rantings never had any influence on me, I remember as very young keeping an eye on them, but everyone of them I was impressed with their workmanship and quality and not stupid ignorant slob filthy people at all.
I have heard lefty people always play games with nonsense, like demanding that ones mum and dad breed the stupid racism ? Maybe that is true with stupid people ? like leftys who are clearly easy led by such pathetic stupidity.
But I never had any dealings with Blacks that I thought about, had one black kid in class from grade 1 to 3 but he was always well dressed never an issue with him at all.
But then I went to a small country place with plenty of Abo's that were clearly Not nice people at all in fact ! It was like dealing with a Mafia ! shocking people always wanting to fight in Gangs and dominate over all ! even within their own Mob and to other types of blacks.
My elder sister boy friend was an Indan and when he came to our lovely area he would be bashed by such as the Abo Mob in a heart beat going out at night.
Not to mention a lot of white grubs as well mainly such as some boofhead type footballers and drug type people.
The next nearest 2 towns would not go their at night for fear of getting bashed up.
The Cops would not bother with the Blacks for fear of the Leftys Media and gutless Legal court system that the Abos knew how to play the system, for they boasted all to me time and time again. all such as their Idear of doing a Job was stealing !
So the era has a lot to do with the issues ! go to the same place nowadays and their is no such as that in what has become a Town.
I moved to another Town and the majority of whites clamed that the Abo's were bad their ? I had to laugh ! saying you have no idea ! this abo's are nothing like where I once lived, thank God !
So their were places all over Australia that if you were white, you had to look out ! they would steal the eye out of a needle ! and the Cops would do nothing !
Why because they had to cook the books, so as not to make them type of people out to be as bad ! or the Media would come playing their filthy cunning games !
Times are a changing tho.
Not for the good in regards the Media that's still the same old Satanic Whore !
I remember The Abo's would be pissing themselves laughing at the pathetic stupidity of most white peoples outright ignorance .
And that type of stupidity of white fools was not for the good of the Abo's at all, but a curse in fact, for it lead them to a life of crime ! and lack of pride in themselves to have true dignity ! Not that the Leftys would understand such as the value in such.
Any white person who I have seen that is on that trip of guilt is pathetic ! many are to wealthy to know any better ! so they live in a dream world ! way off with the pixies ! because they never had a life of having to deal with reality.
Just as it is with people who work for a wage job ? live in pixie land for they are so fed and looked after that they are just like a Pet cat or Dog being cared for 24/7 !
The real world is not like such at all in fact !
Such people complain about their job but do they ever loose money because of the system is set against you ? like one would say they had a bad day ? I say did you get payed ?
Well come to me if you lost the day with no pay ! or a case of the whole years earnings !
Nowadays such people have days off for issues of mental stress related issues Mental Health ? so serious nowadays you know.
But looking at my dad he never had time to have issues with such nonsense because he could not afford it ! he had to work 7 days a week never had holidays. because of low lifes.
More to the point how many people need to apologize for clearly being a outright bastard ! that's the real issue in fact !
One would think if one does the right thing by others all is good ! but no ! their are people who do nothing but wrong regardless because they think they can get away with such.
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