All things written may be fulfilled

[Davidpt]

Your Claim Is "False"

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

1 Thessalonians 3:13KJV
13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints(Jude 1:7) = the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints(1 Thessalonians 3:10) = the Lord my God shall come and all the saints with thee(Zechariah 14:5)

No one who is expected to be taken seriously would dispute any of that. But since some do dispute it, we therefore, undoubtedly know who not to take serious.

Yeah, right--our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints---does not = the Lord my God shall come and all the saints with thee. Why is that? Are some denying that 'my God' in Zechariah 14 is meaning the Lord Jesus Christ? Are some denying that both passages plainly state all the saints come with Him? Only JWs could deny that 'my God' in Zechariah 14:5 is meaning Jesus Christ.

JWs, for example, argue that there is nowhere in the Bible where it says that Jesus Christ is God. Yet it plainly says so in Zechariah 14:5 when interpreting Scripture with Scripture. Thus 1 Thessalonians 3:10 clearly identifies the God meant in Zechariah 14:5 as Jesus Christ.

our Lord Jesus Christ(1 Thessalonians 3:10) = God(Zechariah 14:5). It's that simple. It's that crystal clear.

 

[Davidpt]

Yes. The second coming of Christ itself is never specifically referenced in the OT. That is a NT prophecy.

Why do you flat out lie about things like that? You don't think anyone notices?

 

[claninja]

Jesus was talking about that event fulfilling all that was written in the Old Testament about the destruction of Jerusalem. Does context mean nothing to you? That does not preclude the fact that He will take vengeance on all unbelievers at His return as well. There's nothing written in Luke 21 that the only vengeance that can be taken would be when Jerusalem was destroyed and no other time.

I never argued that Luke 21 can't mean there is other vengeance. My argument was that the destruction of Jerusalem, as written in Luke 21:20-23, is labeled as "wrath against THIS people" and "the days of VENGEANCE to fulfill all that is written". In other words, the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad fulfills the OT oracles of God's vengeance specifically against Apostate Israel.

Your view requires that the destruction of Jerusalem would have to occur when the Jews living in Thessalonica were visiting Jerusalem. That's a very weak view.

Considering the book of Acts records multiple times where Jews from all over the Roman world travelled to Jerusalem for feasts, I would disagree that its weak.

Do you not think that them being cast into everlasting fire (the lake of fire) when Jesus returns in the future would be a case of them facing vengeance? They faced physical vengeance in 70 AD, but they have more judgment and vengeance to come when Jesus comes to judge all people (Matthew 25:31-46).

Why is the idea of them facing vengeance and wrath twice something that you can't allow? They faced physical vengeance and wrath in 70 AD. But, do you not believe that those unbelieving Jews will have to give an account of themselves to Jesus when He comes in the future, after which they will be cast into "everlasting fire" for "everlasting punishment" (Matthew 25:31-46)?

Yes, of course. Why can you not understand that? Jesus Himself said He will be coming with His angels and at that point all unbelievers from all time will have to stand before Him and give an account of themselves and then will be judged and face their eternal sentencing of "everlasting punishment" (Matthew 25:46). Why do you act as if history ended in 70 AD?

s. The second coming of Christ itself is never specifically referenced in the OT. That is a NT prophecy.

Does Jesus casting them into the lake of fire IN VENGEANCE (as you put it) fulfill this OLD TESTAMENT ORACLE of some waking to everlasting shame and contempt?

• "And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt"?

IF YES, then you have a problem—because Jesus explicitly said that the destruction of Jerusalem constituted “the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled” (Luke 21:22). That means the OT ORACLE of Daniel 12 cannot be pushed into a future, post 70ad vengeance without contradicting Jesus’ own time-marker.

IF NO, then it seems you believe the OT ORACLE in daniel 12 of those rising to shame and everlasting contempt then has nothing to do with Jesus coming in flaming fire and "vengeance" upon those that persecuted the thessalonians, nor revelation's lake of fire?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The gentile fulfillment didn't start in 70AD, this hasn't been ongoing for 2,000 years as you claim in filling the gap

The pre-millennials have their 2,000 year gap between the 69th-70th week of Daniel, you falsely place this gap at 70AD until the future second coming

It's pretty hard to have a (fulfilling of the gentiles) in 70AD as you claim, and you laughably claim its still ongoing today and will commence at the 2nd coming, "Fairy Tale"!

LOL. It's hilarious to me that you are convinced by your rambling gibberish. I guess you must think it's just a coincidence that what Jesus described in Luke 21:20-24a all happened in 70 AD just as He prophesied.

Yes you use the phony fairy tale 2,000 year gap in a desperate attempt to make your belief valid regarding the fulfilling of the gentiles, and connecting 70AD to the end in the second coming

I know exactly what your belief is and the 2,000 year gap, it's Malarkey and you know it

What I know is that your view is malarkey because you deny the obvious. Jesus said the temple buildings would be destroyed. The disciples asked Him when that would occur. You apparently think He didn't answer that question. But, He did. In Luke 21, the answer is found in verses 20 to 24. This is very obvious, but because you are blinded by a hyperfuturist perspective, you can't see it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your Claim Is "False"

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

That is not a reference to the day of the Lord's return. If Zechariah 14 is a reference to the second coming of Christ, then explain how you can reconcile it with Amillennialism? How can what is described in verses 16-21 occur after His return? If you want to be taken seriously, then explain that to me.

When Jesus returns He will usher in the new heavens and new earth. Does the following seem like a description of the eternal new heavens and new earth to you?

Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the [i]punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 20 In that day “HOLINESS TO THE LORD” shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in the Lord’s house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yes, [j]every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the Lord of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I never argued that Luke 21 can't mean there is other vengeance. My argument was that the destruction of Jerusalem, as written in Luke 21:20-23, is labeled as "wrath against THIS people" and "the days of VENGEANCE to fulfill all that is written". In other words, the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad fulfills the OT oracles of God's vengeance specifically against Apostate Israel.

I agree with that.

Considering the book of Acts records multiple times where Jews from all over the Roman world travelled to Jerusalem for feasts, I would disagree that its weak.

It's weak because it causes you to place a limit on when God could destroy Jerusalem. You say it had to occur during one of the feasts. I see no reason for that to be the case. Also, Jesus didn't return in 70 AD, anyway. It's utterly ridiculous to try to associate 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 with 70 AD.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

Tell me how exactly our Lord Jesus Christ was "glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe" in 70 AD on the day "when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ"? What day in 70 AD was that exactly when He was revealed?

Does Jesus casting them into the lake of fire IN VENGEANCE (as you put it) fulfill this OLD TESTAMENT ORACLE of some waking to everlasting shame and contempt?

• "And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt"?

IF YES, then you have a problem—because Jesus explicitly said that the destruction of Jerusalem constituted “the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled” (Luke 21:22). That means the OT ORACLE of Daniel 12 cannot be pushed into a future, post 70ad vengeance without contradicting Jesus’ own time-marker.

IF NO, then it seems you believe the OT ORACLE in daniel 12 of those rising to shame and everlasting contempt then has nothing to do with Jesus coming in flaming fire and "vengeance" upon those that persecuted the thessalonians, nor revelation's lake of fire?

LOL. You go way out of your way to deny the truth while trying to promote your false preterist doctrine. It's sad to see. The days of vengeance refer specifically to the physical destruction of Jerusalem. Judgment day when unbelievers are cast into the lake of fire has nothing to do with that. What Jesus was saying in Luke 21:22 related only to the physical destruction of Jerusalem, which we know occurred in 70 AD. There is no basis whatsoever for bringing the resurrection of the dead and the judgment into the discussion since they don't fit the context of what Jesus was talking about.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The Lord spoke of the temple of his body being destroyed, not a temple of stone that took 46 years to build in Jerusalem

Matthew Chapter 24 had absolutely no fulfillment in 70AD

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

John 2:19-22 is not part of the Olivet Discourse and has a completely different context from Matthew 24:1-2 (Mark 13:1-2, Luke 21:6-7). Matthew 24:1-2, Mark 13:1-2 and Luke 21:6-7 obviously refer to the physical temple buildings standing at that time.

Mark 13:1 Then as He went out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, “Teacher, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!” 2 And Jesus answered and said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone shall be left upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

When it says Jesus went out of the temple, do you think it's saying He went out of His body? When the disciples said "Teacher, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!", do you think they were talking about Jesus's body? When Jesus asked "Do you see these great buildings?" do you think He was referring to His body?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why do you flat out lie about things like that? You don't think anyone notices?

LOL. I didn't lie. How about you actually back up your accusation? You aren't foolish enough to think that anyone just takes your word for anything, are you? Zechariah 14 clearly cannot be about the second coming of Christ and you have utterly failed to prove otherwise many times, so where else do you think it is specifically mentioned in the Old Testament?

 

[Davidpt]

LOL. I didn't lie. How about you actually back up your accusation? You aren't foolish enough to think that anyone just takes your word for anything, are you? Zechariah 14 clearly cannot be about the second coming of Christ and you have utterly failed to prove otherwise many times, so where else do you think it is specifically mentioned in the Old Testament?

I already backed it up per post # 121 and @Truth7t7 equally backed it up per post # 120. It is absurd that a passage in the OT and a passage in the NT say the exact same thing---that all of the saints come with Him--but is only meaning the 2nd coming in the NT but not in the OT. You never objectively compare Scripture with Scripture in cases like this. As if it is wrong to interpret Scripture with Scripture like both @Truth7t7 and I did per post # 120., 121, that we shouldn't be doing that.. Therefore, it is a lie that the 2nd coming was never recorded in the OT. You probably think the following doesn't pertain to the 2nd coming, either. Right? --------and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked(Isaiah 11:4 ) As if the very same event is not also recorded in Revelation 19.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I already backed it up per post # 121 and @Truth7t7 equally backed it up per post # 120.

LOL. You call that backing it up? One passage in the OT proves your claim? Give me a break. You have already shown that you are not able to prove that Zechariah 14 is about the second coming of Christ. You are utterly unable to show how you can reconcile Zechariah 14:16-21 with that claim. Is that all you have? If so, then you have backed up your claim with NOTHING as far as I'm concerned. Why would His second coming only be mentioned in one verse in all of the OT if it was God's intention to prophesy about that in the Old Testament? Surely, it would've been mentioned more than once if that was the case.

It is absurd that a passage in the OT and a passage in the NT say the exact same thing---that all of the saints come with Him--but is only meaning the 2nd coming in the NT but not in the OT.

It is absurd to look at Zechariah 14 as a whole and conclude that it has anything to do with the second coming. What is written in Zechariah 14 overall does not match any other passage of scripture about the second coming. But, that means nothing to you.

You never objectively compare Scripture with Scripture in cases like this.

That is a lie. Unlike you, I'm looking at all of Zechariah 14 to see if it fits what the rest of scripture says will happen when Jesus returns and it does not. So, what do you expect me to do, claim that Zechariah 14:5 is about the second coming, but the rest of Zechariah 14 is not? How would that make any sense? If Zechariah 14:5 is about the second coming, then the rest of the chapter would be as well. But, you have failed miserably when trying to show how the rest of the chapter could possibly be about the second coming of Christ.

As if it is wrong to interpret Scripture with Scripture like both @Truth7t7 and I did per post # 120., 121, that we shouldn't be doing that..

It's good to do that, but you can't just interpret one verse in isolation from the rest of the surrounding verses in Zechariah 14 like that. How can you relate the rest of Zechariah 14 to the second coming? Where is the scripture you can point to to help interpret scripture with scripture in relation to Zechariah 14:16-21? What is written there does not match any other scripture in relation to the second coming. But, you try to force it to be related to it, anyway.

Therefore, it is a lie that the 2nd coming was never recorded in the OT.

That is only in your useless opinion. A lie is something that someone does on purpose. I am sharing my opinion about this. If my opinion was wrong, that's not a lie. I'd be wrong, but not on purpose. You don't seem to even know what a lie is. You seem to think that someone being mistaken about something is a lie, regardless of whether they knew they were mistaken or not. That's not what a lie is. When someone is lying, they are purposely telling something that isn't true and they know it.

You base your entire doctrine on Zechariah 14 and twist many other scriptures to fit your understanding of that undeniably difficult passage of scripture. That is a very unwise approach to interpreting scripture.

You probably think the following doesn't pertain to the 2nd coming, either. Right? --------and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked(Isaiah 11:4 ) As if the very same event is not also recorded in Revelation 19.

You are misunderstanding what I said. I am saying that His second coming itself is never specifically mentioned in the Old Testament. I'm not saying that things that will occur in relation to His second coming are never mentioned in the OT. Obviously, the resurrection of the dead hasn't happened yet, but it is written about in the OT and we know that a resurrection of the dead will occur at His second coming, as revealed in the New Testament. But, a second coming of Christ is never explicitly taught in the Old Testament. While a passage like Daniel 12:2 references the resurrection of the dead, it does not say it would occur in direct relation to the second coming of Christ. A second coming of Christ is a NT revelation. His first coming is obviously referenced many times in the OT.

 

[Truth7t7]

That is not a reference to the day of the Lord's return. If Zechariah 14 is a reference to the second coming of Christ, then explain how you can reconcile it with Amillennialism? How can what is described in verses 16-21 occur after His return? If you want to be taken seriously, then explain that to me.

When Jesus returns He will usher in the new heavens and new earth. Does the following seem like a description of the eternal new heavens and new earth to you?

Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the [i]punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 20 In that day “HOLINESS TO THE LORD” shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in the Lord’s house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yes, [j]every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the Lord of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.

1 Samuel 15:23KJV
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Zechariah Chapter 14 Is The (Eternal Kingdom)

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

[Truth7t7]

That is not a reference to the day of the Lord's return. If Zechariah 14 is a reference to the second coming of Christ, then explain how you can reconcile it with Amillennialism? How can what is described in verses 16-21 occur after His return? If you want to be taken seriously, then explain that to me.

When Jesus returns He will usher in the new heavens and new earth. Does the following seem like a description of the eternal new heavens and new earth to you?

Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the [i]punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 20 In that day “HOLINESS TO THE LORD” shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in the Lord’s house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yes, [j]every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the Lord of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.

Zechariah 14:16 Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?​

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Revelation 21:24-27KJV
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[Truth7t7]

I already backed it up per post # 121 and @Truth7t7 equally backed it up per post # 120. It is absurd that a passage in the OT and a passage in the NT say the exact same thing---that all of the saints come with Him--but is only meaning the 2nd coming in the NT but not in the OT. You never objectively compare Scripture with Scripture in cases like this. As if it is wrong to interpret Scripture with Scripture like both @Truth7t7 and I did per post # 120., 121, that we shouldn't be doing that.. Therefore, it is a lie that the 2nd coming was never recorded in the OT. You probably think the following doesn't pertain to the 2nd coming, either. Right? --------and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked(Isaiah 11:4 ) As if the very same event is not also recorded in Revelation 19.

I Agree 100%

Stubborn Rebellion To God's Words Of Truth, Simple, Clear, Easy To Understand

 

[Truth7t7]

LOL. I didn't lie. How about you actually back up your accusation? You aren't foolish enough to think that anyone just takes your word for anything, are you? Zechariah 14 clearly cannot be about the second coming of Christ and you have utterly failed to prove otherwise many times, so where else do you think it is specifically mentioned in the Old Testament?

You've clearly been shown God's words of truth, Zechariah 14:1-12 sees the second coming (Day Of The Lord) taking place, you're in complete rebellion and denial to God's simple words of truth, man's pride in willful stubbornness to God's truth

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

That is not a reference to the day of the Lord's return. If Zechariah 14 is a reference to the second coming of Christ, then explain how you can reconcile it with Amillennialism? How can what is described in verses 16-21 occur after His return? If you want to be taken seriously, then explain that to me.

When Jesus returns He will usher in the new heavens and new earth. Does the following seem like a description of the eternal new heavens and new earth to you?

Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the [i]punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 20 In that day “HOLINESS TO THE LORD” shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in the Lord’s house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yes, [j]every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the Lord of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.

The Lord's Second Coming (The Day Of The Lord)

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

1 Thessalonians 3:13KJV
13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

1 Samuel 15:23KJV
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Zechariah Chapter 14 Is The (Eternal Kingdom)

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

I asked you about verses 16-21. How do you make those verses fit with Amil? Zechariah 14:16-21 is about the same time period as the verses you quoted here.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You've clearly been shown God's words of truth, Zechariah 14:1-12 sees the second coming (Day Of The Lord) taking place, you're in complete rebellion and denial to God's simple words of truth, man's pride in willful stubbornness to God's truth

Jesus Is The Lord

What is the reason you are ignoring my request to show how you reconcile Zechariah 14:16-21 with Amil? Does your Bible stop at verse 12 in Zechariah 14?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I Agree 100%

Stubborn Rebellion To God's Words Of Truth, Simple, Clear, Easy To Understand

Congratulations on agreeing with Premils in how to interpret Zechariah 14. Way to go, buddy.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Zechariah 14:16 Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?​

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Revelation 21:24-27KJV
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Weak response.

Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

If only the righteous are left at this point, then why does this talk about people being punished for not keeping the feast of tabernacles? The righteous would not disobey God like that. And why would anyone even need to keep the feast of tabernacles at that point? That would require animal sacrifices and sin offerings, which were made obsolete by the blood sacrifice of Christ long ago.

 

[Douggg]

And why would anyone even need to keep the feast of tabernacles at that point? That would require animal sacrifices and sin offerings, which were made obsolete by the blood sacrifice of Christ long ago.

Zechariah 14 takes place in Jerusalem.

The feast of tabernacles (Sukkot) is a annual memorial event which the Jews for 7 days simulate the 40 days that they were in the wilderness during their exodus from Egypt. tabernacles (Sukkot) for that event is a name for temporary small booth-like shelters that the Jews lived in - in their journey to the promised land.

What the memorial shelters are made of - you can look up on the internet.

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Speaking of quickly put together shelters as tabernacles, look at these verses when the mount of Transfiguration took place....

Matthew 17:
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.