It is what it shouldn't be

[Big Boy Johnson]

He’s just posturing to stir up the poop. I don’t think he believes that for one minute.

Drink the booze then and see where ya end up.

 

[ProDeo]

Celebrating "christmas" is not even remotely biblical.

Correct, so is celebrating Easter, Pentecost, Ascension day.

Is it therefore wrong?

1. Jesus birth was celebrated by the angels, why shouldn't we?
2. His death set the world free from sin, everybody is invited;
3. His resurrection, victory over death;
4. Pentecost, the Holy Spirit changing hearts all over the planet.

Four history changing events, the 4 most important events in the history of the world.

And people wanted to remember and celebrating, giving glory to God and Jesus.

Why on Earth would that be wrong?

 

[ProDeo]

Drink the booze then and see where ya end up.

So according to you, those people drinking a sip of wine while in devotion of Jesus during the Holy Last Supper will go to hell.

Did you have a drinking problem in your past ?

 

[GodsGrace]

He’s just posturing to stir up the poop. I don’t think he believes that for one minute.

His posts have proven that he believes that drinking wine is sinful.
And that those that do this are not believers and that they are most probably going to hell as a result.
I've stopped replying to that member since his position is rediculous and I tire of replying to rediculous posts.

 

[Lambano]

His posts have proven that he believes that drinking wine is sinful.
And that those that do this are not believers and that they are most probably going to hell as a result.
I've stopped replying to that member since his position is rediculous and I tire of replying to rediculous posts.

He’s just trolling. But notice he did manage to get folks to believe he was serious.

 

[Lambano]

Drink the booze then and see where ya end up.

Can I buy you a drink, Big Boy?

 

[Jay Ross]

Can I buy you a drink, Big Boy?

Probably if the sugar in the provided drink has not been fermented.

As a side note, the loaded sugar in the unfermented drink will also kill you as well if consumed in large quantities.

Even just drinking water in too large a quantity can also cause you to kick the bucket as well.

Like everything in life, practiced moderation helps us to live a more stable life.

Showing some skin to the sun is beneficial but too much showing of skin to the sun is not beneficial at all.

We are all required to life a balanced life in moderation. However, the balanced life for one person is not necessarily the same balance for another person. One size does not always fit everybody at all.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Jesus birth was celebrated by the angels, why shouldn't we?

Please post scripture references where the Lord or His Apostle instructed anybody to celebrate His birth.

And please post scripture references showing the punishment for those not celebrating His birth

Why on Earth would that be wrong?

None of the world's religious celebrations lead people to repentance to get born again and walk with the Lord so it's nothing but foolishness.

It's not necessarily "wrong" is a true Christian wants to have a little celebration to mark these events

But on the other hand, the Lord does not require of teach His people to celebrate these events

Most who do draw close to the Lord with their lips but their hearts are far from Him so they just wasting their time as these celebrations have become worldly events that have nothing to do with the Lord and don't lead people to repentance to get born again and walk with the Lord

So according to you, those people drinking a sip of wine while in devotion of Jesus during the Holy Last Supper will go to hell.

You cannot prove from scripture that they were drinking alcoholic beverages of any kind

You can speculate all you'd like but you cannot post any scripture that proves they were drinking the booze.


As already mentioned, we have proof now that ANY amount of alcoholic consumption is damaging to the body.
Just like we have proof that ANY amount of tobacco being ingested is damaging to the body.

There was a time when nobody knew tobacco was damaging to the body, but it was proven to damage the body and after that if one continues using tobacco knowing it damages the body, they are defiling the body which is sinful behavior.

In the past few years it has been proven that ANY amount of alcoholic consumption is damaging to the body so after that if one continues using alcohol knowing it damages the body, they are defiling the body which is sinful behavior.

Real Christians know and understand that they have been bought with a price and they are not their own and as such they understand they have no right before the Lord to defile their body because they belong to the Lord now and they following the leading of the Holy Spirit Who does NOT lead anybody to put toxic substances in their bodies such as alcohol and tobacco knowing it has been proven to be damaging to the body.

We know those that advocate for defiling the body are not being led by the Holy Spirit as these people don't believe they have been bought with a price and now belong to the Lord.

By their fruit ye shall know them!

 

[GodsGrace]

He’s just trolling. But notice he did manage to get folks to believe he was serious.

Wonder if @Big Boy Johnson looks like that??
LOL

Lambano, we can only know what folk print on these pages.
If BB would rather stir up the ......what you said...than have a serious convo...
then I stand by what I said...don't have time for silly statements that cause strife among members.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I've stopped replying to that member since his position is rediculous and I tire of replying to rediculous posts.

Those that advocate for intoxication and defiling the body will continue to do so at their own peril

Wonder if @Big Boy Johnson looks like that??

Here's a short video of you trying to think...

don't have time for silly statements that cause strife among members.

The strife is between those that advocate for intoxication and defiling the body and the Lord.

They are separating themselves from the Lord thru their carnal desires

So drink up!

 

[GodsGrace]

Those that advocate for intoxication and defiling the body will continue to do so at their own peril





Here's a short video of you trying to think...

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The strife is between those that advocate for intoxication and defiling the body and the Lord.

They are separating themselves from the Lord thru their carnal desires

So drink up!

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Here is some information for you:

I'm a rather cute girl....not a guy.

I don't get intoxicated - no one in my family does.
I do not advocate for intoxication - of any type.

You could continue to misrepresent me on my views on drinking wine or alcohol and/or whether or not what is mentioned in the bible is WINE or FRUIT JUICE...I really don't care.

Those that read my posts and have a brain to think most probably know I'm not the type to become intoxicated.
Those that can't tell are not important to me.

And if you want to believe that Jesus drank FRUIT JUICE instsead of wine, that's fine too - not going to debate it.

However, yes, the liquid being consumed at Cana was wine.
THIS is why it was said:
Most hosts serve the best wine first - (and the guestgs get a little tipsy)
and THEN they serve the lesser wine second (so the guests can't tell the difference).

If you want to believe this refers to FRUIT JUICE --- no problem.


John 2:3-10
3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to Him, "They have no wine."
4 And Jesus said to her, "Woman, what does that have to do with us? My hour has not yet come."
5 His mother said to the servants, "Whatever * * He says to you, do it."
6 Now there were six stone waterpots set there for the Jewish custom of purification, containing twenty or thirty gallons each.
7 Jesus said to them, "Fill the waterpots with water." So they filled them up to the brim.
8 And He said to them, "Draw some out now and take it to the headwaiter." So they took it to him.
9 When the headwaiter tasted the water which had become wine, and did not know where it came from (but the servants who had drawn the water knew ), the headwaiter called the bridegroom,
10 and said to him, "Every man serves the good wine first, and when the people have drunk freely, then he serves the poorer wine; but you have kept the good wine until now."


Just to add that there were no refridgerators way back when.
Grape does not have a long shelf-life.
Fruit juice would have lasted just a couple of days.
Sure would have been A LOT of work for some grape juice.

Fermented wine, OTOH, lasts a long time and is worth the work involved.
Hermeneutics always help with these topics too.

 

[ProDeo]

Please post scripture references where the Lord or His Apostle instructed anybody to celebrate His birth.

Luk 2:8 And in the same region there were shepherds out in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
Luk 2:9 And an angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were filled with great fear.
Luk 2:10 And the angel said to them, “Fear not, for behold, I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people.
Luk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
Luk 2:12 And this will be a sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped in swaddling cloths and lying in a manger.”
Luk 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying,
Luk 2:14 “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among those with whom he is pleased!”

We follow up the example of the angel of the Lord and the heavenly host.

Glory to God the Father for His Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

 

[Nancy]

Those that advocate for intoxication and defiling the body will continue to do so at their own peril





Here's a short video of you trying to think...

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The strife is between those that advocate for intoxication and defiling the body and the Lord.

They are separating themselves from the Lord thru their carnal desires

So drink up!

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NOBODY is "advocating for intoxication"! Show me ONE post that does. Stop lying.

 

[Nancy]

What definition do we see in God's Word concerning truth?

Please delete this post as you are INCORRECTLY have me saying something that I never said. It was Jay Ross who said that!

 

[Wrangler]

NOBODY is "advocating for intoxication"! Show me ONE post that does. Stop lying.

It's posts like BBJ made in this thread that explain why I put him on ignore a long time ago.

There are plenty of threads for debate and plenty of worthy topics to debate, like whether Jesus is the Anointed or not and what that means. Not every thread has to be a debate. I look at this thread as a lament, It is what it shouldn't be. We could all add so much to this lament. I did not see my granddaughter this Christmas. My wife worked too hard trying to make the celebration meet her ideal and she paid the price for days. Etc.

And we certainly don't need to get into silly, false or made up debates, like pretending some are advocating to get intoxicated! Antagonizing is not the fruit of the Spirit.

 

[Wrangler]

I don't like the OP and others that lack a thesis statement. Just a bunch of pasted screen shots where we are left to make up if what we will.

I prefer Post #2 about what we know. However, the OP implies obsession and fanaticism. I know I am older than my sister but you don't see me creating thread after thread and trying to convince the common man of this truth. Regarding religious persuasion, is this the way? I doubt it.

 

[GodsGrace]

I don't like the OP and others that lack a thesis statement. Just a bunch of pasted screen shots where we are left to make up if what we will.

I prefer Post #2 about what we know. However, the OP implies obsession and fanaticism. I know I am older than my sister but you don't see me creating thread after thread and trying to convince the common man of this truth. Regarding religious persuasion, is this the way? I doubt it.

LOL
I didn't really understand the OP and was just replying to a poster.
However, I have noticed that the OP has disappeared.

You also didn't like a thread of mine for lack of a thesis.

How could an OP NOT have a thesis?
It's someone making a statement (an idea) to which we can add, agree, deny, etc.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Luk 2:8 And in the same region there were shepherds out in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
Luk 2:9 And an angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were filled with great fear.
Luk 2:10 And the angel said to them, “Fear not, for behold, I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people.
Luk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
Luk 2:12 And this will be a sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped in swaddling cloths and lying in a manger.”
Luk 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying,
Luk 2:14 “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among those with whom he is pleased!”

We follow up the example of the angel of the Lord and the heavenly host.

Glory to God the Father for His Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

You forgot to include verses that specifically instruct Christians to celebrate Jesus' birth or show verses that tells us it's sinful to not celebrate His birth.

I do not advocate for intoxication - of any type.

Did you realize that as little as one ounce of alcohol changes how the brain functions and is the point in which intoxication begins?

Did you realize that medical science has proven that any amount of alcohol consumption is unhealthy and damages the body?

If a person is serious about living for the Lord recognizing they are not their own having been bought with a price and their body is the temple of the Holy Spirit - WHY would they want to put toxic substances in their body known to be damaging to the body?

Those who are NOT serious about belonging to the Lord would willingly defile their body with toxic substances. Sad for them.

NOBODY is "advocating for intoxication"! Show me ONE post that does. Stop lying.

Those advocating in favor of drinking the booze are in fact advocating for intoxication.

New Flash - the booze makes those drinking it intoxicated.

These people claiming to be Christians who drink the booze think they aren't engaging in intoxication unless they drank so much that their speech is slurred and they can hardly walk. They like to get their buzz on which is why they drink the booze.

It's very suspect and suspicious that they argue so hard for drinking the booze and get all upset when anybody says Christians should not drink the booze. These people behaving like addicts.

Please delete this post as you are INCORRECTLY have me saying something that I never said. It was Jay Ross who said that!

You said "Some of us actually "know" what the truth is" in your reply to Jay Ross.

I asked the simple question "What definition do we see in God's Word concerning truth?"

If you do not know what definition God's Word provides concerns what Truth is, then just say so.

I didn't say anything wrong, just asked a simple question.

 

[ProDeo]

You forgot to include verses that specifically instruct Christians to celebrate Jesus' birth or show verses that tells us it's sinful to not celebrate His birth.

That's an argument from silence brother.

First, arguments from silence can be used to draw contradictory conclusions. For example, one can say that Jesus never mentions homosexuality, abortion, the environment or capital punishment for murder so those issues must not have been important to him. That is one conclusion, to be sure. But someone can also conclude from silence that because Jesus never mentions the issues he must have simply agreed with the Judaism of his day that homosexual practice was immoral and abortion was, in most cases (with some exceptions), prohibited, stewardship of creation was assumed as a duty in Judaism as well as execution for murder. So which one is it, and how can your argument from silence demonstrate which one it is? LINK

 

[ProDeo]

@Big Boy Johnson

Google question : eating hamburgers unhealthy?

Yes, hamburgers can be unhealthy, primarily due to high levels of saturated fat, sodium, calories, and refined carbs, increasing risks for heart disease, high blood pressure, and diabetes, especially when from fast-food chains; however, moderation and healthier preparation (leaner meat, whole-wheat bun, lots of veggies) make them a protein source rather than a health hazard.

So now and then I eat a burger, according to your understanding of Scripture, is it a sin?