Amil interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10-12 vs Genesis 9:15

[ewq1938]

The Tree of Life will bear literal fruit to eat

Are the leaves also eaten?

 

[Truth7t7]

Are the leaves also eaten?

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

Revelation 22:2KJV
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

 

[ewq1938]

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

Revelation 22:2KJV
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

That's not an answer.

 

[Wish-it]

For how long do you think the meek will inherit the earth (Matthew 5:5)?

Probably 7 thousand years. Then NHNE.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It's A Completly New Creation. (Absolutely To Create)​

Lexicon :: Strong's H1254 - bārā'​

Strong’s Definitions
בָּרָא bârâʼ, baw-raw'; a primitive root; (absolutely) to create;

Gen 1:1 - In the beginning God created H1254 the heaven and the earth.

Isa 65:17 - For, behold, I create H1254 new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isa 65:18 - But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: H1254 for, behold, I create H1254 Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth.

For how long do you think the meek will inherit the earth?

I have no reason to pay any attention to anything you say unless you answer my simple question. This is the last time I'm going to ask it.

 

[WPM]

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth.

For how long do you think the meek will inherit the earth?

This is an eternal inheritance.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Probably 7 thousand years. Then NHNE.

What do you base that on?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This is an eternal inheritance.

Right. An eternal inheritance of the earth. But, he is claiming that the earth will be annihilated and replaced by a completely separate, new earth. So, if he answered the question according to his beliefs, he would have to admit that he doesn't believe that the meek will inherit the earth for even a second. But, they will inherit the earth for eternity. When Jesus comes He will renew this earth by fire, resulting in the new (renewed) earth that we will inherit for eternity, and it will be where only righteousness will dwell (2 Peter 3:13), and where there will be no more death, sorrow, crying or pain (Rev 21:4).

 

[WPM]

Probably 7 thousand years. Then NHNE.

Where do you get that?

 

[Earburner]

Let me be clear here. By Amil I'm not meaning every single Amil. I'm only meaning Amils falsely teaching these things, that God is literally going to engulf the entire planet in fire the same same way He literally engulfed the entire planet in water during Noah's flood.

I fully agree with Amil about the timing of 2 Peter 3:10-12 regardless that I'm Premil . I disagree with certain Amils that the entire planet is going to be literally engulfed in flames, therefore, burning to death infants, children, adults, the entire animal kingdom, etc.

And no, I'm not interested in hearing these Amils possibly argue that He is going to spare infants and children though, when these Amils know good and well He never spared them during Noah's flood. And since it is absurd that He would burn to death infants and children to begin with, let alone the entire animal kingdom, this tells any reasonable person He's not going to literally set the entire planet on fire to begin with.

Genesis 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.
17 And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.

Unlike certain Amils in this case, I believe what God said here. I do not think God is a liar here, but apparently they do.

If God plainly said that He is never going to do this ever again--- and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. We are to believe He has found a loophole, that He is going to do something a million times more profound, burn all flesh to death this time around?

Picture being on a small ship at sea that has caught on fire and that there is no way to put it out, that it is raging fiercer by the minute. What fate do you assume one might choose per that scenario? Staying aboard the ship risking being burned to death eventually? Or jumping overboard risking being drowned to death eventually?

Surely these Amils have heard of cases where people were trapped in buildings numerous stories up that have caught on fire. And that some of them literally jumped out of windows to their death below rather than choosing to be burned to death instead. Clearly, being burned to death is one of the most cruelest ways to die, otherwise, why would anyone jump out of a window to their death below instead of being burned to death? They are going to die either way, regardless.

These Amils seriously need to repent of not believing God when He said what He said in verse 15 above, just so that they can make their Amil view supposedly work. No habitable planet = no millennium can follow, right? Yet, once again, if He's never going to do that ever again, He certainly isn't going to do something a million times more profound instead.

In my case, Premil has nothing to do with why I initially reject the Amil literal interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10-12. I reject it because I have better common sense than these certain Amils do in this case, since I know full well, if God is never going to bring a flood upon the earth to destroy all flesh, He certainly isn't going to do something even more profound, burn all flesh to death via the entire planet being literally engulfed in flames the way the entire planet was literally engulfed in water during Noah's day.

Herein lies your entire problem of why
you don't understand that 2 Peter 3:10-15 is literally talking about the total destruction of the earth, and everything in this earth, of which will be completely replaced by the New heavens and New earth:
You completely misunderstand Gen. 2:7 and have believed the false lie fabricated by religious church-ianity. It has corrupted your entire interpretation of the Gospels, Epistles and the book of Revelation.
No? You don't believe it?
Then let the Holy Spirit explain it to you in detail in Gen. 2:7, 6:17, 7:22.

KJV Gen. 2[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a [mortal] living soul.
Man was NEVER given an eternally living immortal soul. In fact, man was not created or born with eternal existence of any kind.

KJV Lev. 17[11] For the life of the flesh is in the blood:.....[which is also known as Oxygenated air].

Gen. 6[17] And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

Gen. 7[22] All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
Please compare Gen. 2:7 and 7:22 and discover what it actually was that God breathed into the nostrils of both man and the land animals.

Now please go and correct ALL of your biblical misunderstanding about heaven, hell, this old earth and the New earth!!

Still not convinced?
Read and study Lev. 17:11 again, and then discuss it with YOUR medical Dr.

Edit: Not only is there the false religious belief about every person, both Jew and Gentile, possessing an eternally living soul, but there is also the religious lie that the Patriarchs, Prophets and all the faithful of OC. Israel lived and died having the permanent indwelling presence of God's Holy Spirit.
Such a false belief as that, is just as preposterous. Nothing of the sort could ever take place until AFTER the shedding of Christ's innocent blood.

Now, to understand all of that, one must study Malachi 3:16 and learn who they were of OC Israel, that were being held in God's Remembrance and why.

You can see them in Mat. 27:50-54 as being the MANY (not all) who rose out of their graves, being those who had died "under the altar" of the OC., but now, though they are "resting", they are eternally alive with Christ.

Quite literally they are the symbolic 144,000 of OC Israel. All of such are they who had lived and died, waiting for the Promise to come, who was Christ.
In Rev. 6:9-11 we can see them being Gifted with the permanent indwelling of God's Holy Spirit, aka a "white robe".

Let's conclude:
1. no one has ever been given an eternal soul, but rather have become a [mortal] living soul, and

2. no one under the OC ever received the permanent indwelling of God's Holy Spirit until after the crucifixion of Christ,

3. the symbolic 144,000 were of OC Israel.
NEVER is it that the 144k should be understood to take place under the NC, or in the far future.

The book of Revelation are the literal words of God the Father (Rev. 1:1), which are from His Eternal Mind, who alone is able to think in the past, present and future, all at the same time.

Also, the book of Rev. should NOT be read/understood in chronological order. John did not receive the visions as such, nor did he fully comprehend what he was writing about!! None of those words originated from HIS mind!

 

[Earburner]

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

Revelation 22:2KJV
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Would you have a clue as to who the "leaves" were/are for the healing of the nations?

They are called "born again Christians".
You know,.... that "nation" who were given the KoG (Mat. 21:43), that was taken away from that "abominable" (Prov. 6:16-19) nation, that pleaded for the curse of Christ's [innocent] blood to be upon them and their children (Mat. 27:25).

Do you see how it is that the book of Revelation is not to be understood solely in chronological order?

 

[Truth7t7]

Would you have a clue as to who the "leaves" were/are for the healing of the nations?

They are called "born again Christians".
You know,.... that "nation" who were given the KoG (Mat. 21:43), that was taken away from that "abominable" (Prov. 6:16-19) nation, that pleaded for the curse of Christ's [innocent] blood to be upon them and their children (Mat. 27:25).

Do you see how it is that the book of Revelation is not to be understood solely in chronological order?

The leaves on the tree of life are for healing/medicine, your claim the leaves represent Christians is laughable

 

[Earburner]

The leaves on the tree of life are for healing/medicine, your claim the leaves represent Christians is laughable

The Salvation of God, through faith in Christ, which is delivered to the nations through his "church", being that of His born again saints, is not His Way of Healing?
Which is better:
1. Physically healed people who die without having Christ?
2. Spiritually healed people who die having Christ?

Edit:
By the way, it's too bad that you don't have any comment of understanding for the three scripture references I posted in #111.

 

[Earburner]

Right. An eternal inheritance of the earth. But, he is claiming that the earth will be annihilated and replaced by a completely separate, new earth. So, if he answered the question according to his beliefs, he would have to admit that he doesn't believe that the meek will inherit the earth for even a second. But, they will inherit the earth for eternity. When Jesus comes He will renew this earth by fire, resulting in the new (renewed) earth that we will inherit for eternity, and it will be where only righteousness will dwell (2 Peter 3:13), and where there will be no more death, sorrow, crying or pain (Rev 21:4).

I have entertained that view often, and to a large degree, I have held to it most of my life, but recently in the past 10 years, I have come to understand that he NHNE is more on the spiritual application than it is on the physical.

Knowing that the risen and ascended Christ is both eternally Holy Spirit and visible Immortal flesh, having the ability to be in either form at will (the upper room event), I have concluded that since Jesus' Ascension, for 2025 years He has never needed to eat physical food, nor does he need this physical earth to dwell in.

The following verse shall explain my most vivid thoughts, of which will lead to many things of spiritual value that Jesus said in the gospels, namely the one verse you quoted: "the meek shall inherit the earth".

2 Cor. 4
[6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to GIVE the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in [through] the face of Jesus Christ.

[7] But we have this treasure in EARTHEN vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

My leading question is: which earth of God's dwelling did Jesus inherit? This physical planet, or that of His own "EARTH-then vessel"?

Secondly, in all the world, where HAS the Godhead longed to dwell since the beginning of Creation? On the face of this planet, or within us?

2 Peter 3
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, whereIN dwelleth righteousness.
So then, where does the Righteousness of God desire to dwell?
ON this earth, or withIN our earthen vessels?

Apparently, according to Jesus' present state of existence, the KoG does not require a planet at all!!

 

[Truth7t7]

When Jesus comes He will renew this earth by fire, resulting in the new (renewed) earth that we will inherit for eternity

100% "False"

Jesus will return in fire dissolving this earth to its very elements, the New Heavens and Earth will be a completely "New Creation" as you've been shown several times in your denial

2 Peter 3:10-12KJ
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

"For, Behold, I Create"​

It's A Completly New Creation. (Absolutely To Create)​

Lexicon :: Strong's H1254 - bārā'​

Strong’s Definitions
בָּרָא bârâʼ, baw-raw'; a primitive root; (absolutely) to create;

Gen 1:1 - In the beginning God created H1254 the heaven and the earth.

Isa 65:17 - For, behold, I create H1254 new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isa 65:18 - But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: H1254 for, behold, I create H1254 Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

 

[Earburner]

100% "False"

Jesus will return in fire dissolving this earth to its very elements, the New Heavens and Earth will be a completely "New Creation" as you've been shown several times in your denial

2 Peter 3:10-12KJ
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

"For, Behold, I Create"​

It's A Completly New Creation. (Absolutely To Create)​

Lexicon :: Strong's H1254 - bārā'​

Strong’s Definitions
בָּרָא bârâʼ, baw-raw'; a primitive root; (absolutely) to create;

Gen 1:1 - In the beginning God created H1254 the heaven and the earth.

Isa 65:17 - For, behold, I create H1254 new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isa 65:18 - But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: H1254 for, behold, I create H1254 Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Yes, the first part of 2 Peter 3:10-12 you do have correct. There will be nothing left or remaining of this present earth.
But....we are looking for a NEW Earth.
What that is many are not sure.

Don't you know that we who are born again of God's Holy Spirit, are all the new creatures of God's New creation?
2 Cor. 5
[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Gal. 6
[15] For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

Let's repeat and confirm that:
All who are born again of God's Holy Spirit, ARE A NEW CREATION, aka a NEW creature.
Be sure to read my rececent post #114

 

[rwb]

Apparently, according to Jesus' present state of existence, the KoG does not require a planet at all!!

To a point I agree. But God created the earth to be inhabited by physical living breathing creatures. Though the Kingdom of God is within us when we have been born again, for His Kingdom to be fully manifested as it was in the beginning, man would have to become immortal physical beings. Immortal clothed in flesh, which is why we shall be bodily resurrected immortal & incorruptible to inherit everlasting life on the new earth that shall be forever. That would require a new planet earth that will never be corrupted by sin and death.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I have entertained that view often, and to a large degree, I have held to it most of my life, but recently in the past 10 years, I have come to understand that he NHNE is more on the spiritual application than it is on the physical.

Knowing that the risen and ascended Christ is both eternally Holy Spirit and visible Immortal flesh, having the ability to be in either form at will (the upper room event), I have concluded that since Jesus' Ascension, for 2025 years He has never needed to eat physical food, nor does he need this physical earth to dwell in.

The following verse shall explain my most vivid thoughts, of which will lead to many things of spiritual value that Jesus said in the gospels, namely the one verse you quoted: "the meek shall inherit the earth".

2 Cor. 4
[6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to GIVE the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in [through] the face of Jesus Christ.

[7] But we have this treasure in EARTHEN vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

My leading question is: which earth of God's dwelling did Jesus inherit? This physical planet, or that of His own "EARTH-then vessel"?

Secondly, in all the world, where HAS the Godhead longed to dwell since the beginning of Creation? On the face of this planet, or within us?

2 Peter 3
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, whereIN dwelleth righteousness.
So then, where does the Righteousness of God desire to dwell?
ON this earth, or withIN our earthen vessels?

Apparently, according to Jesus' present state of existence, the KoG does not require a planet at all!!

I think you are way overthinking this. I completely disagree with you on this. I believe the new earth will be this earth renewed and we will literally walk on it with our changed bodies. Of course, we will be immortal at that time and won't have the limitations that our bodies currently have, but I see no reason to believe that the new earth will be a literal planet earth (renewed earth) and the meek shall inherit it forever.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

100% "False"

Jesus will return in fire dissolving this earth to its very elements, the New Heavens and Earth will be a completely "New Creation" as you've been shown several times in your denial

2 Peter 3:10-12KJ
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

"For, Behold, I Create"​

It's A Completly New Creation. (Absolutely To Create)​

Lexicon :: Strong's H1254 - bārā'​

Strong’s Definitions
בָּרָא bârâʼ, baw-raw'; a primitive root; (absolutely) to create;

Gen 1:1 - In the beginning God created H1254 the heaven and the earth.

Isa 65:17 - For, behold, I create H1254 new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Isa 65:18 - But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: H1254 for, behold, I create H1254 Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

The meek cannot inherit the earth if what you're saying was true. You have no way around that, but you just ignore that.

 

[Earburner]

To a point I agree. But God created the earth to be inhabited by physical living breathing creatures. Though the Kingdom of God is within us when we have been born again, for His Kingdom to be fully manifested as it was in the beginning, man would have to become immortal physical beings. Immortal clothed in flesh, which is why we shall be bodily resurrected immortal & incorruptible to inherit everlasting life on the new earth that shall be forever. That would require a new planet earth that will never be corrupted by sin and death.

Again, for the past 2025 years Jesus has had no need of this planet earth, or any new planet like it to sustain Him.
Iows, is Jesus now eating earthly food and breathing Oxygenated AIR?
Is He not Immortal? Will we not be LIKE HIM??
Rom. 6
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
1 John 3
[2] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be [like]: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.