Amil interpretation of 2 Peter 3:10-12 vs Genesis 9:15

[Earburner]

The meek cannot inherit the earth if what you're saying was true. You have no way around that, but you just ignore that.

From the beginning, the deepest desire of God has always been to permanently dwell within the earthen creature of mankind, that He created.

Unfortunately, that was severely detoured in the day that A&E DID NOT eat from the "Tree of Life" first, but rather from the "Tree of the K of G&E". In so doing, they immediately received God's Judgment of absolute death and was to be kept away from eating from the Tree of Life, lest they live forever (have Eternal life and Immortality).

Now, if A&E had eaten of the "Tree of Life" first, while they were still in their innocence, they would have received the permanent Gift of the Holy Spirit of God, of whom is the vehicle of the Gift of Eternal Life and Immortality.

So now I ask: upon Jesus' resurrection and Ascension, what did He inherit that no one else could??
Ans. Eternal life within His New Immortal body, aka His Immortal Earth-en vessel, in which God the Father now indwells also, with His Righteousness, which was NEVER BEFORE.

Yes!! In Eternal Spirit they are God in Three Persons, but now in Jesus' Physical Immortality, they are God in Three Persons STILL. In fact, they together are for the Saints..."The New Heavens", just as Rev. 21 describes it:
[1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
[2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem [of people], coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband [husbands don't marry buildings].
[3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
[4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
[5] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

[22] And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
[23] And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

[24] And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the [saved] kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
[25] And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
[26] And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
[27] And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but [only] they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

From the beginning, the deepest desire of God has always been to permanently dwell within the earthen creature of mankind, that He created.

Unfortunately, that was severely detoured in the day that A&E DID NOT eat from the "Tree of Life" first, but rather from the "Tree of the K of G&E", and therefore received God's Judgment of absolute death and was to be kept away from eating from the Tree of Life lest they live forever (have Immortality).

Now, if A&E had eaten of the "Tree of Life" first, while they were still in their innocence, they would have received the permanent Gift of the Holy Spirit of God, of whom is the vehicle of the Gift of Eternal Life and Immortality.

I don't know what you're trying to say. I think you are making things more complicated than they are. Do you have something against us dwelling on a literal new earth for eternity?

 

[rwb]

Again, for the past 2025 years Jesus has had no need of this planet earth, or any new planet like it to sustain Him.
Iows, is Jesus now eating earthly food and breathing Oygenated AIR?
Is He not Immortal? Will we not be LIKE HIM??
Rom. 6
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
1 John 3
[2] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be [like]: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

The earth isn't to sustain Christ, it is to sustain His people living upon it, who are now the sons/daughters of God who have the Kingdom of God within. Now, in this age of time the Kingdom of God is spiritual, but when He comes again the earth made new again shall be physically inhabited through our bodies of flesh resurrected immortal and incorruptible, given life through our eternal spirit that shall return with Christ, and once again man shall be whole prepared to live on the new earth with Christ forever where there shall be no more sin or death.

 

[WPM]

I have entertained that view often, and to a large degree, I have held to it most of my life, but recently in the past 10 years, I have come to understand that he NHNE is more on the spiritual application than it is on the physical.

Knowing that the risen and ascended Christ is both eternally Holy Spirit and visible Immortal flesh, having the ability to be in either form at will (the upper room event), I have concluded that since Jesus' Ascension, for 2025 years He has never needed to eat physical food, nor does he need this physical earth to dwell in.

The following verse shall explain my most vivid thoughts, of which will lead to many things of spiritual value that Jesus said in the gospels, namely the one verse you quoted: "the meek shall inherit the earth".

2 Cor. 4
[6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to GIVE the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in [through] the face of Jesus Christ.

[7] But we have this treasure in EARTHEN vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

My leading question is: which earth of God's dwelling did Jesus inherit? This physical planet, or that of His own "EARTH-then vessel"?

Secondly, in all the world, where HAS the Godhead longed to dwell since the beginning of Creation? On the face of this planet, or within us?

2 Peter 3
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, whereIN dwelleth righteousness.
So then, where does the Righteousness of God desire to dwell?
ON this earth, or withIN our earthen vessels?

Apparently, according to Jesus' present state of existence, the KoG does not require a planet at all!!

This doesn't add up. This is stretching Scripture. The earth is the earth. Simple!

 

[Earburner]

I don't know what you're trying to say. I think you are making things more complicated than they are. Do you have something against us dwelling on a literal new earth for eternity?

I am explaining that which is more spiritual than what religion is able to teach by the "wisdom of men". Therefore, what I am saying may sound complicated, but only because it is contrary to those who have been steeped in the religious, physical interpretation for thousands of years.

The New Heavenly Jerusalem is PEOPLE, NOT building structures on a "dirt ball" earth again.
Why would an Eternal Immortal person dig in the dirt to raise food or build buildings?? Will they starve?? Will they need to be protected by building structures for safety??
Right at this moment, does Jesus need any of that? Nope! So then, why would we?
God's Righteousness [Himself] does NOT dwell in the planet earth, He dwells within His people, who are earthen [clay] vessels.
2 Peter 3
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, where-IN dwelleth [God's] righteousness.
2 Cor. 4
[6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
[7] But we have this treasure [of God Himself] [with]in [our] earthen vessels [mortal bodies], that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

 

[Earburner]

This doesn't add up. This is stretching Scripture. The earth is the earth. Simple!

Your understanding is simple to the mind of "the natural man".

Did God make the earth for Himself to dwell in alone, or did He make men out of the earth for Himself and His Righteousness to dwell in?

It's all about what God wants!

 

[Earburner]

The earth isn't to sustain Christ, it is to sustain His people living upon it, who are now the sons/daughters of God who have the Kingdom of God within. Now, in this age of time the Kingdom of God is spiritual, but when He comes again the earth made new again shall be physically inhabited through our bodies of flesh resurrected immortal and incorruptible, given life through our eternal spirit that shall return with Christ, and once again man shall be whole prepared to live on the new earth with Christ forever where there shall be no more sin or death.

If there is no more sin, or death, it sounds to me that we will be Immortal with Eternal life.
Since "we will be changed" into the likeness of how Jesus is now at this moment, will we be planting food for nourishment and build buildings for shelter, as would mortals do??

 

[WPM]

Your understanding is simple to the mind of "the natural man".

Did God make the earth for Himself to dwell in alone, or did He make men out of the earth for Himself and His Righteousness to dwell in?

It's all about what God wants!

This earth is real.

Gnosticism is heretical.

 

[WPM]

I am explaining that which is more spiritual than what religion is able to teach by the "wisdom of men". Therefore, what I am saying may sound complicated, but only because it is contrary to those who have been steeped in the religious, physical interpretation for thousands of years.

The New Heavenly Jerusalem is PEOPLE, NOT building structures on a "dirt ball" earth again.
Why would an Eternal Immortal person dig in the dirt to raise food or build buildings?? Will they starve?? Will they need to be protected by building structures for safety??
Right at this moment, does Jesus need any of that? Nope! So then, why would we?
God's Righteousness [Himself] does NOT dwell in the planet earth, He dwells within His people, who are earthen [clay] vessels.
2 Peter 3
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, where-IN dwelleth [God's] righteousness.
2 Cor. 4
[6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
[7] But we have this treasure [of God Himself] [with]in [our] earthen vessels [mortal bodies], that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Do you believe in reality? Do you believe that the physical exists? Do you believe the earth is real? How about the heavens? Does the sun physically exist? Are you real?

 

[ewq1938]

If there is no more sin, or death, it sounds to me that we will be Immortal with Eternal life.
Since "we will be changed" into the likeness of how Jesus is now at this moment, will we be planting food for nourishment and build buildings for shelter, as would mortals do??

Didn't you say the saved will be eating fruit from the tree of life, like mortals do with fruit? Most of the eternity found in the last 2 chp show a literal view of life on a literal planet and a literal and physical NJ.

 

[Earburner]

This earth is real.

Gnosticism is heretical.

You are denying scripture, I am not!
That which is falsely called as being heretical doesn't disagree with 2 Peter 3:10, 12, but much of Christendom DOES!

As the scriptures say, Why are you "being willfully ignorant"?? 2 Peter 3:5-7
I never said that planet earth is not real. I am saying that the God the Father and God the Son say that it has an END.
2 Peter 3
[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass AWAY with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the EARTH also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Gnosticism doesn't believe that Jesus is the 2nd person of the Godhead, nor does it believe that Jesus, God the Son, came in the likeness of our flesh through the virgin birth.
So please stop with the false accusations, and begin accepting the responsibility for correcting your own erroneous understandings.

 

[Earburner]

Didn't you say the saved will be eating fruit from the tree of life, like mortals do with fruit? Most of the eternity found in the last 2 chp show a literal view of life on a literal planet and a literal and physical NJ.

I never said that at all.
How is Jesus at the moment?
He is not requiring any food for nourishment, nor is he dwelling on any earth type of a planet. There isn't even a New Heavenly Jerusalem that has buildings. The New Heavenly Jerusalem is about God's PEOPLE.

 

[Earburner]

Do you believe in reality? Do you believe that the physical exists? Do you believe the earth is real? How about the heavens? Does the sun physically exist? Are you real?

Try to understand through the mind of the Holy Spirit within you, how it is that YOU really are already a NEW creature (creation) of God.
1 John 5:13 ".....that ye may know that ye [now] have eternal life..."

In the DAY of His Glorious return in flaming fire, and your own "changing" into His likeness of Immortality, you will no longer need the food you eat, the buildings you live in, this planet you live on, or for that matter any future planet earth, whether made over, or altogether brand New.
WHY?
Because, at this present moment, ever since the past 2025 years, Jesus Himself has needed nothing of any kind of a planet earth at all. Therefore, in that Day of His return,....we won't either!!

1 Cor. 15
[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed [Jesus glorified in us. 2 Thes. 1:7-10],
[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible [immortal], and we shall be changed [into his likeness].

1 Thes. 4
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord IN THE AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
> Sound familiar? It should, see Acts 1:9
[9] And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
1 Thes. 4[18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Surely you didn't believe that you were GOING to "a mansion"?....No, No, No!!
Because of God's Holy Spirit within you, YOU ARE "a mansion" [being one of many], that has now been placed within Jesus' Father's House!! (all should do a word study/comparison on the word "mansion").
John 14
[2] In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
[3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Do you not see how the religion of church-ianity has corrupted your thinking??

 

[rwb]

I never said that at all.
How is Jesus at the moment?
He is not requiring any food for nourishment, nor is he dwelling on any earth type of a planet. There isn't even a New Heavenly Jerusalem that has buildings. The New Heavenly Jerusalem is about God's PEOPLE.

Do you believe when time given this earth and all things are made new, God's people will be as God?

In the DAY of His Glorious return in flaming fire, and your own "changing" into His likeness of Immortality, you will no longer need the food you eat, the buildings you live in, this planet you live on, or for that matter any future planet earth, whether made over, or altogether brand New.
WHY?

In the beginning when God created man we were created in His likeness and image, and until the Holy Spirit departed them when man sinned, we were immortal and had we not brought sin, and death through sin into creation, man would have continued to be immortal forever on this earth without sin and death. Even in our immortal state God provided nourishment for us that grew from the earth. If in the beginning when all things God created were very good, why wouldn't the new earth again be like it was in the beginning? That is immortal humans, but without the serpent to deceive us and cause all that God created very good to be marred by sin and death?

 

[rwb]

Surely you didn't believe that you were GOING to "a mansion"?....No, No, No!!

Because of the Holy Spirit within you, YOU ARE "a mansion" [one of many], that has now been placed within Jesus' Father's House!! (all should do a word study/comparison on the word "mansion").
John 14
[2] In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
[3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

I believe a mansion must be without defect both on the inside and outside. Now, believers have eternal life through the Spirit of Christ dwelling in our natural spirit. But eternal spiritual life is not enough, because we have to be outwardly without defection also, made from mortal body to immortal body to be wholly without mar or defection by sin and death. That's why Christ tells us that now we walk/live by faith and not by sight. But when Christ comes again and we are once again eternally as well as immortally alive with eternal spirit + immortal body we shall be made new ready to live with Christ forever without sin and death on the new earth.

 

[Earburner]

I believe a mansion must be without defect both on the inside and outside. Now, believers have eternal life through the Spirit of Christ dwelling in our natural spirit. But eternal spiritual life is not enough, because we have to be outwardly without defection also, made from mortal body to immortal body to be wholly without mar or defection by sin and death. That's why Christ tells us that now we walk/live by faith and not by sight. But when Christ comes again and we are once again eternally as well as immortally alive with eternal spirit + immortal body we shall be made new ready to live with Christ forever without sin and death on the new earth.

You are close! But you didn't do the word study/comparison like I suggested.
Using the "Strongs Concordance", here is some help:
Compare-
G3438- mansions- John 14:3
G3438- abode- John14:23

Did you figure who/what the mansions are??
Whose presence within us causes/makes one to be a mansion?

 

[Earburner]

Do you believe when time given this earth and all things are made new, God's people will be as God?


In the beginning when God created man we were created in His likeness and image, and until the Holy Spirit departed them when man sinned, we were immortal and had we not brought sin, and death through sin into creation, man would have continued to be immortal forever on this earth without sin and death. Even in our immortal state God provided nourishment for us that grew from the earth. If in the beginning when all things God created were very good, why wouldn't the new earth again be like it was in the beginning? That is immortal humans, but without the serpent to deceive us and cause all that God created very good to be marred by sin and death?

One problem. Mankind was never created with eternal existence of any kind, nor did God make them to be Immortal.

Before their fall into sin, they were mortal and innocent, having no eternal existence of any kind.
God NEVER GAVE to Adam an eternal living soul.
However, in Adam's creation, he did "become a [mortal] living soul".

For all that is biblical, if that which is learned about Creation IS NOT CORRECT, every avenue of doctrinal thinking down line, through our understanding, will be corrupted to the core, or it will be extremely BLESSED.
The "pagan view", that Adam was GIVEN an eternally living soul, is that corruption that taints and stains everything in error, right to the end of understanding the book of Revelation.
Please see my post #110 for the depth of my understanding in what/how a soul is.

 

[rwb]

One problem. Mankind was never created with eternal existence of any kind, nor did God make them to be Immortal.

Then why did God tell them they would die ONLY if they disobeyed Him and ate of the forbidden tree? After breathing into man the breath of life, the Spirit in them would never have left them if evil had not been found in them. With a body of flesh that was not marred by sin and death, and life from the Spirit in them, you don't agree they were created immortal.

 

[WPM]

Try to understand through the mind of the Holy Spirit within you, how it is that YOU really are already a NEW creature (creation) of God.
1 John 5:13 ".....that ye may know that ye [now] have eternal life..."

In the DAY of His Glorious return in flaming fire, and your own "changing" into His likeness of Immortality, you will no longer need the food you eat, the buildings you live in, this planet you live on, or for that matter any future planet earth, whether made over, or altogether brand New.
WHY?
Because, at this present moment, ever since the past 2025 years, Jesus Himself has needed nothing of any kind of a planet earth at all. Therefore, in that Day of His return,....we won't either!!

1 Cor. 15
[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed [Jesus glorified in us. 2 Thes. 1:7-10],
[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible [immortal], and we shall be changed [into his likeness].

1 Thes. 4
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord IN THE AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
> Sound familiar? It should, see Acts 1:9
[9] And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
1 Thes. 4[18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Surely you didn't believe that you were GOING to "a mansion"?....No, No, No!!
Because of God's Holy Spirit within you, YOU ARE "a mansion" [being one of many], that has now been placed within Jesus' Father's House!! (all should do a word study/comparison on the word "mansion").
John 14
[2] In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
[3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Do you not see how the religion of church-ianity has corrupted your thinking??

Keep your false accusations to yourself. I have given evidence as to the earth being regenerated when Jesus comes. You have avoided it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I am explaining that which is more spiritual than what religion is able to teach by the "wisdom of men".

You are equating interpreting things literally or to be about physical things with the wisdom of men. That is ridiculous. Spiritual discernment has to do with discerning what is literal and what is figurative. What is spiritual and what is physical. You seem to think that having a spiritual interpretation means you are using spiritual discernment. No, I believe I'm using spiritual discernment by discerning that the new earth is a new literal planet earth that we will literally dwell on.

Therefore, what I am saying may sound complicated, but only because it is contrary to those who have been steeped in the religious, physical interpretation for thousands of years.

Nonsense. You are just trying too hard. Sometimes, things are simple and there's nothing wrong with that.