How many former Catholics are here?

[lforrest]

I think i figured it out . apples said you said Catholics are in contradiction to the scriptures .
IF YOU wrote that david
IF YOU actually said such a thing . THEN AMEN . CAUSE THEY ARE , but so too is much of protestantville .
THIS people has one t hing in common
THEY TWIST the scrips unto their own destruction

Except Apples is not looking to discuss scripture and denominations. But he is trying to Justify himself before his fellow man by diminishing Christianity. And I think he argues that it is hypocritical for Christians to believe they know God's will when they interpret scripture, using the divisions as evidence that one can not interpret scripture reliably.

 

[David in NJ]

Did you read what i just read .
Apples actually wrote , and i missed this the first time
That a christain cannot be in contradiction to scripture
cause scriptures does not command something be Done .
Er what bible be he reading . MY WORDS are SPIRIT and THEY ARE LIFE
and i see commands all over the place on what one ought to do and what one ought not to do .
Didnt JESUS say
MY WORDS WILL BE YOUR JUDGE on the last day .

See Posts 491, 494 and 510 as my responses to applesauce

 

[David in NJ]

Except Apples is not looking to discuss scripture and denominations. But he is trying to Justify himself before his fellow man by diminishing Christianity. And I think he argues that it is hypocritical for Christians to believe they know God's will when they interpret scripture, using the divisions as evidence that one can not interpret scripture.

See Posts 491, 494 and 510 as my responses to applesauce

 

[bdavidc]

You are just incoherently babbling.

Calling God’s Word “babbling” doesn’t make it false. It just shows contempt for truth. Scripture says, “He that despiseth the word shall be destroyed” ~Proverbs 13:13. When people don’t want truth, mockery is usually what comes next ~2 Peter 3:3.

I didn’t give opinions. I quoted Scripture. Jude says the faith was once delivered ~Jude 1:3. Paul says anyone who adds to the gospel is cursed ~Galatians 1:8–9. Jesus said tradition can make the Word of God of no effect ~Matthew 15:9. Those verses don’t disappear because you sneer at them.

If Scripture sounds incoherent to you, the Bible already explains that too. “The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God… for they are foolishness unto him” ~1 Corinthians 2:14. That’s not a Bible problem. That’s a heart problem.

Truth doesn’t bow to insults. God’s Word stands whether you respect it or not.

 

[bdavidc]

No, I am judging Christians who are being malicious and hypocritical. If you want to address that, please do so. I do not play the bible game where you have 50 verses memorized and try to force it into a religious discussion.

I realize in your religious tradition it makes it seem like you know the bible. Most people just turn off from addressing people playing that game.

Quoting Scripture isn’t a religious tradition. It’s how truth is known. God never told us to trust tone, credentials, or opinions. He said man lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God ~Matthew 4:4. When people “turn off” at Scripture, that doesn’t expose a problem with the Bible. It exposes exactly what Scripture warned about: they will not endure sound doctrine ~2 Timothy 4:3.

Knowing the Word is not a game and you are the one playing a game. It’s obedience. God gave Scripture to teach, rebuke, correct, and train in righteousness ~2 Timothy 3:16–17. Elders are commanded to hold fast to it and refute error with it ~Titus 1:9. Rejecting Scripture because it cuts too close isn’t discernment. It’s resistance.

Christianity is not defined by comfort levels or popular reaction. It is defined by God’s Word. When Scripture speaks, excuses don’t matter.

You don’t get to sneer at Scripture and then pretend you’re exposing hypocrisy. God’s Word is not a trick or a prop. Jesus said His Word will judge every man on the last day ~John 12:48. Dismissing it isn’t insight. It’s rebellion.

You are not the authority on Christianity. Christ is. And He said plainly that only those who continue in His Word are His disciples ~John 8:31. Scripture already explains why people attack the Bible and those who quote it ~2 Timothy 4:3–4.

This isn’t correction. It’s strife. And Scripture is clear about that too ~Titus 3:10–11. God’s Word stands, whether people like you hear it or not.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You do not explain how that verse is relevant to your point.

I said -
Well, they don't know the Lord and they don't have the Holy Spirit so the catholics have to make stuff up to help them "think" they are on the right path.

You said -
I do not believe that is an appropriate statement.

Then I said -
Well you believe wrong. Only those led by the Holy Spirit are the sons of God (Romans 8:14)

My point is IF tthey had the Holy Spirit and were being led by the Holy Spirit then they would not be following false doctrine

What part of this do you have a problem understanding exactly?

I did not know that there was a Real Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.

Those who don't know the Lord or His Word wouldn't

I believe in the Resurrection.

Good for you - so does the devil.

If Catholics actually knew that Lord-
They would understand your isms and idioms. From the fountain of random empty statements.

Yeah, the tares among us claim what God says in His Word are "random empty statements"

You did not with a random quote that should force me to accept however illogical your statements were.

Yeah, the tares don't understand God's Word.

There is a thing called science. Disproven in snake shaker church.

That "science" is faulty

1 Timothy 6:20
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain speech, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

If I ignore all of Christian history and find myself in a frenzy, I will follow Joseph Smith, plant my seed money,, and drink Flavor-Aid?

Don't forget to get yourself a nice tin foil hat to complete your ensemble!

So you can determine who "has the Holy Spirit?

Jesus said we could:

Matthew 7:16
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

The first sign someone is a tare (fake christian) is when they don't accept what God says in His Word and instead follow religions that claim to be Christian such as catholicism, reformed theology, mormons, JWs, etc, etc.

 

[bdavidc]

What you mean is that when you quote one or more of your fifty verses you have dropped the microphone and if a person disagrees with what you stated prior to your fifty verses, they are arguing with God.

First, you say you are “not blaming Christians,” yet your entire argument is built on attacking Christians you dislike, mocking their use of Scripture, and judging Christianity by bad examples. Scripture explicitly warns against that. The failures of men do not redefine the truth of God ~Romans 3:3–4. Christianity is defined by obedience to Christ, not by who embarrasses you.

Second, calling Scripture a “game” exposes your problem. God never told His people to minimize His Word to avoid annoying others. He commanded us to live by every word that proceeds from His mouth ~Matthew 4:4. When Scripture is treated as irritating or excessive, the Bible already explains why: people will not endure sound doctrine ~2 Timothy 4:3. That is not insight. It is diagnosis.

Third, your complaint about “emotional Christians” proves nothing. Scripture warned there would be false converts, shallow believers, and frauds ~Matthew 7:21–23, ~2 Peter 2:1. Counterfeits do not invalidate the real thing. They confirm it. That is what you failed to understand when you asked, “They don’t disprove what?” They don’t disprove Christianity. They prove Scripture’s warnings were accurate.

Fourth, you object to the statement that the Holy Spirit does not produce “new truth.” Scripture is clear. The faith was once delivered ~Jude 1:3. The Spirit guides into truth already revealed, not ongoing doctrinal development ~John 16:13. Claiming “truth is revealed over time” does not mean doctrines evolve. It means God revealed truth progressively in Scripture, which is now complete ~Hebrews 1:1–2.

Fifth, saying I don’t understand the word contradict is empty rhetoric. Scripture defines contradiction clearly. If something adds another mediator, it contradicts ~1 Timothy 2:5. If something redirects prayer away from God, it contradicts ~Matthew 6:9. If something adds practices Scripture never commands as spiritual necessities, it contradicts ~Colossians 2:8. That is not semantics. That is obedience.

Sixth, you say, “Christians of the ancient churches do not pray to the dead. They pray to God, in whom they are glorified. I believe in the Resurrected.” Rewording the practice doesn’t change the problem. Scripture never authorizes directing prayer or requests to anyone except God ~Matthew 6:9. Whether saints are called “dead” or “glorified,” they are never presented as hearers of prayer or mediators. The Bible says there is one mediator, Jesus Christ ~1 Timothy 2:5, and that He alone intercedes ~Hebrews 7:25. The resurrection does not assign new roles. Scripture does.

Finally, your last accusation is revealing. Yes, when Scripture is quoted correctly and in context, disagreement is no longer with me. Scripture itself says God’s Word judges every man ~John 12:48. That is not arrogance. That is authority. Christianity is not decided by who finds Scripture impressive or annoying. It is decided by what God has spoken.

 

[amigo de christo]

a.) The Lord Jesus Christ was a hypocrite?

b.) The Apostles were hypocrites?

c.) The Holy Spirit is hypocritical?

d.) all of the above is true

e.) none of the above is true

EEEEEEEEEEE. a big Fat EEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

[Apples]

i never said anything about any color or any shirt .
Folks are free to wear such clothes as the please .

Where in scripture is it said you can wear such clothes?

That is not in scripture.

 

[Apples]

post five hundred and six is lonley and i would like to hear you input on it

I do not understand your statement.

 

[Apples]

#1 - You, in fact, did bring into question the authenticity of Scripture and of the Lord, the Apostles and the Holy Spirit

Why would I do that? You call into question I would not call into question.
I have not questioned these.

It is a strawman where I should question your question.
Where did I call into quesiton the "authenticity of Scripture and of the Lord, the Apostles and the Holy Spirit"

No where.

You can very easily respond.

#2 - In FACT, God will do BETTER then a "gold star on my forehead" = Revelation 3:12-13

He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’

Yes, yes, I hear the word of your ambiguous nonsensical preaching directly from the WORD.

YES LORDY LORDY. I done hear it.

If anything fundamentalist believed was true, they would be in agreement.

I know, I know you know the bible. So quote the scriptures I have no seen you quote that will prove you are of Jesus.

#3 - Satan has a "gold star" to place on your forehead = make sure you say "No" = Revelation 14:9-10

I appreciate your thoughtful explanation.

Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation.

I got the mark, maybe, is it the covid, or the 386 ibm? I lost out of the God changed his mind memo

 

[Apples]

Except Apples is not looking to discuss scripture and denominations.

If that were the case, why would I have responded to this thread?

he is trying to Justify himself before his fellow man by diminishing Christianity.

I am responding in a logical way to your Christianity. I have not said one thing against Christ or Christianity.

And I think he argues that it is hypocritical for Christians to believe they know God's will

The issue is that right in front of you. You play fifty verses and Holy Spirit told me. Christianity is not a joke. God is not a joke.

when they interpret scripture, using the divisions as evidence that one can not interpret scripture reliably.

If Pastor Paisley yells and screams about the bible....
If a person can interpret 6000 years perfectly, then perhaps your tradition (and it is manmade tradition) is imperfect.

 

[Apples]

EEEEEEEEEEE. a big Fat EEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Please explain. Use words

 

[Apples]

First, you say you are “not blaming Christians,” yet your entire argument is built on attacking Christians you dislike,

Yes, I point out flaws in Christians for their flaws. I do not attack Christians I dislike. I do not make up garbage like they don't wear hats on Sunday, that is against the bible

mocking their use of Scripture,

I do not mock the use of scripture.

I know the game. You know the game.

and judging Christianity by bad examples. Scripture explicitly warns against that. The failures of men do not redefine the truth of God ~Romans 3:3–4. Christianity is defined by obedience to Christ, not by who embarrasses you.

Second, calling Scripture a “game” exposes your problem. God never told His people to minimize His Word to avoid annoying others. He commanded us to live by every word that proceeds from His mouth ~Matthew 4:4. When Scripture is treated as irritating or excessive, the Bible already explains why: people will not endure sound doctrine ~2 Timothy 4:3. That is not insight. It is diagnosis.

Third, your complaint about “emotional Christians” proves nothing. Scripture warned there would be false converts, shallow believers, and frauds ~Matthew 7:21–23, ~2 Peter 2:1. Counterfeits do not invalidate the real thing. They confirm it. That is what you failed to understand when you asked, “They don’t disprove what?” They don’t disprove Christianity. They prove Scripture’s warnings were accurate.

Fourth, you object to the statement that the Holy Spirit does not produce “new truth.” Scripture is clear. The faith was once delivered ~Jude 1:3. The Spirit guides into truth already revealed, not ongoing doctrinal development ~John 16:13. Claiming “truth is revealed over time” does not mean doctrines evolve. It means God revealed truth progressively in Scripture, which is now complete ~Hebrews 1:1–2.

Fifth, saying I don’t understand the word contradict is empty rhetoric. Scripture defines contradiction clearly. If something adds another mediator, it contradicts ~1 Timothy 2:5. If something redirects prayer away from God, it contradicts ~Matthew 6:9. If something adds practices Scripture never commands as spiritual necessities, it contradicts ~Colossians 2:8. That is not semantics. That is obedience.

Sixth, you say, “Christians of the ancient churches do not pray to the dead. They pray to God, in whom they are glorified. I believe in the Resurrected.” Rewording the practice doesn’t change the problem. Scripture never authorizes directing prayer or requests to anyone except God ~Matthew 6:9. Whether saints are called “dead” or “glorified,” they are never presented as hearers of prayer or mediators. The Bible says there is one mediator, Jesus Christ ~1 Timothy 2:5, and that He alone intercedes ~Hebrews 7:25. The resurrection does not assign new roles. Scripture does.

Finally, your last accusation is revealing. Yes, when Scripture is quoted correctly and in context, disagreement is no longer with me. Scripture itself says God’s Word judges every man ~John 12:48. That is not arrogance. That is authority. Christianity is not decided by who finds Scripture impressive or annoying. It is decided by what God has spoken.

When scripture agrees with me I am free to use my man made traditions. The question is if you are fooling yourself.
If you believe in the bible and know it, you do not do what you are doing.

Fifty verses.

 

[Apples]

Calling God’s Word “babbling” doesn’t make it false.

You are babbling. It is part of your tradition. You say things that are vomit speech and finish it with one or more fifty verses. The worst part of people like you is that they generally know what they are doing.

It just shows contempt for truth. Scripture says, “

I am going to stop you there and your game.

Where did I show contempt for truth?

 

[Apples]

See Posts 491, 494 and 510 as my responses to applesauce

I read the bible once.

 

[Debp]

Oh but it can be said . I see many that are in direct contradiction to scriptures all the time .
But when it is said , The one who says it NEEDS to bring the scripture to prove their error , contradiction of said scriptures .
but again i am highly interested in your response to post five hundred and six .
You made a darn good claim when you said OSTEEN and MEYERS are frauds .
I NEED TO KNOW what you think about what i said .

@Apples He's saying look at post #506 and give a response. Posts are numbered in upper right corner.

 

[Debp]

They do things differently, which means they are wrong, because obviously you are not.

How is one in fellowship with the Lord? Christians generally state they are in fellowship with other Christians, not with God. In every moment, God makes existence possible. Fellowship is a collection or collaboration.

In case you missed my previous post with the reply.

2the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us— 3that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. 4And these things we write to you that your joy may be full.
1 John 1:2-4

5This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 6If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
1 John 1:5-6

9God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 Corinthians 1:9

 

[David in NJ]

I read the bible once.

i like applesauce = grew up on it as a kid since we were poor

Goes great with potato latkes = try it sometime

applesauce is a great nickname as it tastes great and most everyone has some in their cabinet or fridge

 

[David in NJ]

I read the bible once.

Keep reading and do what i do = PRAY before, during and after you read