Trump has abandoned America First

[Riven]

The US would pay fair market value for the oil if murduro is gone.

This is precisely why a country like North Korea was so eager to acquire nuclear weapons. It's an effective deterrent.

Venezuela has lot of oil and the US need to import some of it's oil and our allies would like to buy some of their oil as well.

Then they can work out a trade deal. But the US wants to take it by force. This is classic imperialism. It's funny because when Russia does it, they're evil. But when the US does it, it's freedom and democracy.

So, NO we will not be stealing their oil. That's the false narrative of liberals who rejoice in killing innocent babies

Quite the contrary; we will steal their oil if Trump gives the order to invade. We'll involve ourselves in yet another quagmire and spend a few more trillion dollars that we don't have.

It's not our war and as such nothing humiliating for the US.

I suggest you look up the definition of a proxy war. What's happening in Ukraine today, is a NATO funded proxy war against Russia. The United States is the head of NATO.

If liberals had their way they would attack Russia directly forgetting that Russia would launch nukes because that's all they have left as they cannot win a ground war against NATO.

So liberal nutjobs seek to start WW3

What liberal is saying they want the US to directly attack Russia? Even if that were true, the current administration isn't liberal. The only heads of state that are currently speaking in these terms are the Europeans.

Trump is trying to work things out between Russia and Ukraine but he cannot force either side to do anything.

Yes, he can. He's the President of the United States. All he has to do is pull the plug on Ukraine and it's over. Which is what he should do because the war is no longer winnable. But he won't because he doesn't want to deal with the political blowback.

Er wrong again liberal boy.

I'm not a liberal.

The Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua is a vicious group of murderers and drug traffickers known to be bring in a lot of drugs in to the US and they can only be stopped with force

So should we also invade Mexico while we're at it? That country has a significant cartel presence that is a lot closer to home. If drugs are the primary concern, then why ignore Mexico in favor of Venezuela?

The liberals are soft on crime which is to be expected from those that celebrate murdering little babies (abortion)

Anybody that supports abortion and the gay agenda cannot be trusted as they are agents of the devil.

Which has nothing to do with United States foreign policy.

 

[Triumph1300]

A large amount of drugs is coming out of China.
Trump does not dare touching them.
A hypocrite, and a coward.
A big mouth draft dodger, calling the opposition in a Christmas message S c u m.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Then they can work out a trade deal.

WHY would we want to be friendly with a socialist such as maduro?

No, we need for him to go bye bye as the majority of those living in Venezuela want him gone as well

This is classic imperialism.

Actually it's protecting our hemisphere because Venezuela is friendly with Russia and China who seek to have a greater influence in South America so this is about national security

It started with President Monroe and is known as the Monroe Doctrine.

You should get educated rather than allowing liberal thought to continue to dumb you down.

e will steal their oil

That's what all you liberals said about Iraq and yet it never happened.

We'll involve ourselves in yet another quagmire

No, the majority of people in Venezuela want regime change so they just need a little help getting their regime change on.

The socialists in Venezuela will fall quickly, no need for the liberals to worry

I suggest you look up the definition of a proxy war. What's happening in Ukraine today, is a NATO funded proxy war against Russia. The United States is the head of NATO.

That goes all the way back to lies NATO promised to Russia when the Soviet Union fell perpetrated by democrats and republican presidents.

NATO promises Russia there would be no NATO membership for old Soviet nations on Russia's border and NATO lied seeking to push for NATO membership for Ukraine

This whole situation was caused by the west.

When the Soviets put nukes in Cuba it was a righteous act for the US to threaten all out war to force the Soviets to remove the nukes from Cube which is right in our back yard.

Russia is doing the same thing believing they are protecting their own national security

There's only two ways out - NATO attacking Russia directly leading to WW3 which is what liberals want.

OR, having Ukraine give up the territory that Russia has taken in order to stop the current war since trying to force Russia out is back to starting WW3

What liberal is saying they want the US to directly attack Russia?

The talking heads on CNN who are all liberals.

We know that Russia's conventional war capabilities on the ground is laughable seeing they cannot even take over Ukraine

So Russia knows if NATO attacks them in conventional warfare they would lose.

So, Russia would have no choice but to go ahead and launch nukes and the liberals are ignorant of what will happen.

Yes, he can. He's the President of the United States.

No, in order to FORCE Russia out of Ukraine the Prez would have to authorize and all out conventional war with Russia in which Russia knows they would lose which would lead them to launch nukes which is the start is WW3

News Flash - the US cannot force anybody to do anything.

Those connected with reality understand this.

All he has to do is pull the plug on Ukraine and it's over.

Trump's not going to do that which would enable Russia to take over all Ukraine eventually OR would lead the European nations to go ahead and attack Russia on their own which again Russia knows that cannot win resulting in them launching nukes and the start of WW3

Trump is correct. At this point, the best thing to do is to have Ukraine give up territory already lost and sue for peace

It's better than them losing their entire nation or having the European nations to go ahead and attack Russia on their own leading to WW3

I'm not a liberal.

Kinda leaning that way

So should we also invade Mexico while we're at it?

Mexico is very close to becoming a failed state becoming a nacro state.

If that happens, then YES we will have no choice but to invade Mexico and take over their entire nation for a time to root out all the narco terrorists for our own national security.

If we don't we can expect to eventually be invading ourselves by the Mexicans many of whom support the movement to take back large portions off the US southwest

The narco terrorists in Mexico are already getting military aid and training from numerous islamic countries who hope they can make the narco terrorists in Mexico strong enough to invade the US and of course the moslems would join in.

This is being spoken of freely by many Mexicans and has been for years. I'm surprised you aren't aware of this

It wouldn't take the US military maybe a month to invade and control the nation of Mexico and yes here in the states a lot of Mexicans will have to be taken in to custody to prevent internal terrorist attacks while all this is going on.

The US took over Mexico once before if you know your history. And we can do it again if Mexico falls to the narco terrorists.

If drugs are the primary concern, then why ignore Mexico in favor of Venezuela?

Trump has said as much to the Mexican government.

They either control themselves or we will come in and do the job for them.

The ball is in their court so we'll see how it goes.

Since Trump got in, the Mexican government has taken a much harder stance against the cartels and there's been numerous fights between them and the Mexican military so they've not fallen to the narco terrorists so far.

Which has nothing to do with United States foreign policy.

Sure it does because liberals are in favor of global governance

They are in favor of the coming one world government and would like to see the US Constitution used as toilet paper.

 

[ProDeo]

This is precisely why a country like North Korea was so eager to acquire nuclear weapons. It's an effective deterrent.

Yep, hedgehog politics then.

Then they can work out a trade deal. But the US wants to take it by force. This is classic imperialism. It's funny because when Russia does it, they're evil. But when the US does it, it's freedom and democracy.

True, but there is a difference, US conquers, set things straights (not always working), but then LEAVE whereas Russia STAYS.

I suggest you look up the definition of a proxy war. What's happening in Ukraine today, is a NATO funded proxy war against Russia. The United States is the head of NATO.

True, and US=NATO and NATO=US.

But nowadays Europe has to buy the weapons to fund the proxy war, the White House cash register is ringing, not really NATO any longer.

What liberal is saying they want the US to directly attack Russia? Even if that were true, the current administration isn't liberal. The only heads of state that are currently speaking in these terms are the Europeans.

Not sure what you are told in your media, Europe does not want war with Russia, they appreciate the tries of Trump, but they don't want to give up Ukraine to Russia, the 28 point plan of Trump comes down to that.

Yes, he can. He's the President of the United States. All he has to do is pull the plug on Ukraine and it's over. Which is what he should do because the war is no longer winnable. But he won't because he doesn't want to deal with the political blowback.

Tell me if I am wrong, nowadays the real deal is China and Gaza and Ukraine are just nasty time consuming obstacles he wants to fix so he can fully spend his time on China. He can't afford a new war on European soil. Read the timeline of Ukraine war in this document and read the demands of Putin to US months before the war started and Ukraine already was surrounded by 100.000 troops. Basically, back to the USSR situation of 1991. Restoration of the Sovjet Union in its ugly glory, east European countries out of NATO and so on. Ridiculous. Biden said no, Putin invaded. Europe knows when Ukraine falls other countries are next.

So should we also invade Mexico while we're at it? That country has a significant cartel presence that is a lot closer to home. If drugs are the primary concern, then why ignore Mexico in favor of Venezuela

Excellent question.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

But nowadays Europe has to buy the weapons to fund the proxy war

It's their back yard, let them fund Ukraine.

Europe knows when Ukraine falls other countries are next.

Meh, not so much.

Russia's ground war capabilities are laughable. Hilarious actually.

They can't even take over Ukraine so they certainly cannot take over the rest of Europe

Russia's military is pretty much the laughing stock of the world... expect for their ability to launch nukes

 

[ProDeo]

It's their back yard, let them fund Ukraine.





Meh, not so much.

Russia's ground war capabilities are laughable. Hilarious actually.

They can't even take over Ukraine so they certainly cannot take over the rest of Europe

Russia's military is pretty much the laughing stock of the world... expect for their ability to launch nukes

You are uninformed, you probably can't help since it's not a big topic in your media.

Let's do a test...

If Putin attacks one of the Baltic states and they call for article 5, do you really think Trump (or any other administration) will comply ??

I say no.

You ?

NATO is brain-death
-- Macron

I happen to agree with him.

 

[Riven]

WHY would we want to be friendly with a socialist such as maduro?

The same reason we're friends with Saudi Arabia and other countries that are different from us. Many of the European countries that are our allies are socialist or use a mixed model. We trade heavily with the Chinese, a communist country that also uses a mixed model.

No, we need for him to go bye bye as the majority of those living in Venezuela want him gone as well

Then they can be the ones to get rid of him. America cannot afford all of these wars anymore. We're broke.

Actually it's protecting our hemisphere because Venezuela is friendly with Russia and China who seek to have a greater influence in South America so this is about national security

Prior to the war, Germany was also economically friendly with Russia. Should we declare war on Germany as well? The United States is responsible for the rise of China as a peer competitor. Should US declare war on itself?

Lol at this being about national security. How in the world is Venezuela a threat to the United States of America?

It started with President Monroe and is known as the Monroe Doctrine.

You should get educated rather than allowing liberal thought to continue to dumb you down.

By this logic, America can invade and conquer any nation in the western hemisphere that it doesn't like. I'd prefer diplomacy over bankrupting the United States with endless war.

That's what all you liberals said about Iraq and yet it never happened.

It's what most people say because we did steal their oil and resources. Iraq was a good example of how these regime change wars always fail to produce the results the hawks in Washington want.

No, the majority of people in Venezuela want regime change so they just need a little help getting their regime change on.

The socialists in Venezuela will fall quickly, no need for the liberals to worry

Of course they'll fall quickly. Butt what happens after? Now you have a country without any leadership. Iraq post-Saddam was a disaster.

We know that Russia's conventional war capabilities on the ground is laughable seeing they cannot even take over Ukraine

They don't want to take over all of Ukraine. This is a war of attrition; one side is ultimately going to be forced to the negotiating table, and Putin knows this.

So Russia knows if NATO attacks them in conventional warfare they would lose.

So, Russia would have no choice but to go ahead and launch nukes and the liberals are ignorant of what will happen.

It won't happen.

No, in order to FORCE Russia out of Ukraine the Prez would have to authorize and all out conventional war with Russia in which Russia knows they would lose which would lead them to launch nukes which is the start is WW3

News Flash - the US cannot force anybody to do anything.

Those connected with reality understand this.

Why can't Trump pull support for Ukraine? Why is direct conflict with Russia the only possibility in your mind?

Trump's not going to do that which would enable Russia to take over all Ukraine eventually OR would lead the European nations to go ahead and attack Russia on their own which again Russia knows that cannot win resulting in them launching nukes and the start of WW3

The European nations would never attack Russia. Their militaries are in a state of disrepair after decades of being neglected.

Trump is correct. At this point, the best thing to do is to have Ukraine give up territory already lost and sue for peace

Then why doesn't he use his leverage to make it happen? All he has to do is tell Zelensky it's over and that the US is walking away.

Kinda leaning that way

Why? Because I don't sound like Lindsey Graham or Sean Hannity?

Mexico is very close to becoming a failed state becoming a nacro state.

If that happens, then YES we will have no choice but to invade Mexico and take over their entire nation for a time to root out all the narco terrorists for our own national security.

If we don't we can expect to eventually be invading ourselves by the Mexicans many of whom support the movement to take back large portions off the US southwest

The narco terrorists in Mexico are already getting military aid and training from numerous islamic countries who hope they can make the narco terrorists in Mexico strong enough to invade the US and of course the moslems would join in.

This is being spoken of freely by many Mexicans and has been for years. I'm surprised you aren't aware of this

It wouldn't take the US military maybe a month to invade and control the nation of Mexico and yes here in the states a lot of Mexicans will have to be taken in to custody to prevent internal terrorist attacks while all this is going on.

The US took over Mexico once before if you know your history. And we can do it again if Mexico falls to the narco terrorists.

You have no idea what you're talking about. A US invasion of Mexico would be another disaster. Think about what you're saying. Invading and occupying two countries. We tried that in Iraq and Afghanistan and it was an absolute disaster that cost the United States trillions of dollars and achieved nothing.

Sure it does because liberals are in favor of global governance

They are in favor of the coming one world government and would like to see the US Constitution used as toilet paper.

Just ask the EU how well that's going for them. It turns out, it's actually rather difficult for all of these different nations to get along or agree on anything.

 

[ProDeo]

Xi, inspection of his troops as it is called, meanwhile the troops he passes by are chanting "Hail to the great leader" and more of such.

We have seen that before.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You are uninformed

That's what the false teachers claim, but they are ignorant of reality so they are to be ignored.

If Putin attacks one of the Baltic states and they call for article 5, do you really think Trump (or any other administration) will comply ??

I say no.

You ?

NATO is brain-death
-- Macron

I happen to agree with him.

I don't care one way or the other. I'm a citizen of the Kingdom of God, so I'm not from here and just passing thru

Putin is not completely stoopid because he knows if he attacks a NATO country then that's the start of WW3

Putin's ability to wage conventional warfare is a joke. You must have missed the fact that he can't even take Ukraine so Russia is in no position to be attacking any NATO nation.

Let's not forget that if NATO attacks Russia and starts WW3 then China, North Korea, and most islamic countries will come to the air of Russia. They are to axis of evil

Putin does have lots of nukes and if he is corned with no way out he will certainly use them. Russia and China also have the ability to take out all or most of out satellites as they have weapons in space and the US way way behind on that front so the west is at a major disadvantage there.

That's the part the liberals don't understand if if they were in charge they would force Putin in to a corner so to speak and set off WW3 which pleases the liberals because they are all about burning down society which is what their father the devil is trying to lead them to accomplish

Their father the devil love him some stealing, killing, and destruction.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The same reason we're friends with Saudi Arabia and other countries that are different from us. Many of the European countries that are our allies are socialist or use a mixed model. We trade heavily with the Chinese, a communist country that also uses a mixed model.

Venezuela is in our back yard and they have been inviting China and other bad actors in to our back yard

If we do not act now we will lose our hemisphere to the communists and islamic terrorists

Venezuela is a threat to our national security

Then they can be the ones to get rid of him. America cannot afford all of these wars anymore. We're broke.

We've been deeply in debt since WW2

That's no reason to lay down and let the evil of this world take us over.

Unless of course one is liberal then that's what they want is one world governance.

How in the world is Venezuela a threat to the United States of America?

The slow ones are ignorant of how

By this logic, America can invade and conquer any nation in the western hemisphere that it doesn't like. I'd prefer diplomacy over bankrupting the United States with endless war.

If a nation becomes a threat to our national security, then we do have the right to self defense.

We've been deeply in debt since WW2

It's what most people say because we did steal their oil and resources

That's a lie.

Iraq went and made deals to sell oil to other nations not the US

The liberal mind just cannot stop lying just like their father the devil

Of course they'll fall quickly. Butt what happens after?

Venezuela has robust opposition ready to take over right now.

All we gotta do is topple their nut job socialist leader who was not actually elected so the opposition can take over.

They don't want to take over all of Ukraine.

Only because they aren't strong enough to do so.

It won't happen.

Speculate all you want.

Putin is a nutjob and if he is left with no options he will launch nukes and WW3 is on like donkee kong.

Why can't Trump pull support for Ukraine? Why is direct conflict with Russia the only possibility in your mind?

If he does, then the European nations will be in the driver's seat and they will drive the situation in to becoming WW3

Think man, think!

The European nations would never attack Russia. Their militaries are in a state of disrepair after decades of being neglected.

Speculate all you want. Some in Europe want all out war with Russia

The military might of the European nations is superior to Russia's military

We know that because the US has been selling them all kinds of advanced military hardware

And we know conventional military capabilities is the laughing stock of the world.

They're no better then third world nations!

Then why doesn't he use his leverage to make it happen? All he has to do is tell Zelensky it's over and that the US is walking away.

Trump or any other US president cannot force any nation to do anything.

If we back out of the situation all together the European nations will be in the driver's seat and they will drive the situation in to becoming WW3

It's a tall order to tell the leader of another nation to give up a large3 chunk of territory and lay down and play dead.

That's basically what Trump would have to talk Zoolenski into doing in order to end the war.

Reckon Trump should tell the CIA to whack Zoolenski to see if we have better luck with whoever replaces him?

That may be on the table. I'm sure they'll make it look like an accident, like cell phone plugged in to the wall charging falls in to his bathtub or something

A US invasion of Mexico would be another disaster.

OK, so you're in favor of allow Mexico to become a narco state that grows in strength to the point they attack us first and only after they invade the US and kill thousands and thousands of people only then we step up and start defending ourselves.

This is why I said earlier you are leaning liberal.

Just ask the EU how well that's going for them. It turns out, it's actually rather difficult for all of these different nations to get along or agree on anything.

News Flash - God's Word teaches there will be a one world government and a one world leader.

Once the devil gets done deceiving the nations, they'll all come together in agreement that there must be a one world government.

Hide and watch homie, they've been calling for a one world government for wall over a century and it will happen.

 

[Riven]

Venezuela is in our back yard and they have been inviting China and other bad actors in to our back yard

If we do not act now we will lose our hemisphere to the communists and islamic terrorists

Venezuela is a threat to our national security




We've been deeply in debt since WW2

That's no reason to lay down and let the evil of this world take us over.

Unless of course one is liberal then that's what they want is one world governance.




The slow ones are ignorant of how




If a nation becomes a threat to our national security, then we do have the right to self defense.

We've been deeply in debt since WW2




That's a lie.

Iraq went and made deals to sell oil to other nations not the US

The liberal mind just cannot stop lying just like their father the devil




Venezuela has robust opposition ready to take over right now.

All we gotta do is topple their nut job socialist leader who was not actually elected so the opposition can take over.




Only because they aren't strong enough to do so.




Speculate all you want.

Putin is a nutjob and if he is left with no options he will launch nukes and WW3 is on like donkee kong.




If he does, then the European nations will be in the driver's seat and they will drive the situation in to becoming WW3

Think man, think!




Speculate all you want. Some in Europe want all out war with Russia

The military might of the European nations is superior to Russia's military

We know that because the US has been selling them all kinds of advanced military hardware

And we know conventional military capabilities is the laughing stock of the world.

They're no better then third world nations! View attachment 76476





Trump or any other US president cannot force any nation to do anything.

If we back out of the situation all together the European nations will be in the driver's seat and they will drive the situation in to becoming WW3

It's a tall order to tell the leader of another nation to give up a large3 chunk of territory and lay down and play dead.

That's basically what Trump would have to talk Zoolenski into doing in order to end the war.

Reckon Trump should tell the CIA to whack Zoolenski to see if we have better luck with whoever replaces him?

That may be on the table. I'm sure they'll make it look like an accident, like cell phone plugged in to the wall charging falls in to his bathtub or something




OK, so you're in favor of allow Mexico to become a narco state that grows in strength to the point they attack us first and only after they invade the US and kill thousands and thousands of people only then we step up and start defending ourselves.

This is why I said earlier you are leaning liberal.




News Flash - God's Word teaches there will be a one world government and a one world leader.

Once the devil gets done deceiving the nations, they'll all come together in agreement that there must be a one world government.

Hide and watch homie, they've been calling for a one world government for wall over a century and it will happen.

You have primitive understanding of geopolitics.

 

[rockytopva]

Merry Christmas courtesy of free Venezuelan oil!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You have primitive understanding of geopolitics.

Reality called and would like to get back in touch with you

Merry Christmas courtesy of free Venezuelan oil!

Bad actors need to have their oil taken away so they cannot sell it and use their profits to engage in terrorism

 

[Riven]

Where is the United States Congress? The power of the executive branch must be reigned in. If any other country did this to us, we would view it as an act of war.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You have primitive understanding of geopolitics.

You're really going to dislike the way Jesus rules during His 1000 Year Reign.

He's going to rule with a hand of iron!

Where is the United States Congress? The power of the executive branch must be reigned in. If any other country did this to us, we would view it as an act of war.

Relax, Trump is not doing anything other Presidents have not done.

It's odd that you would be standing with gang bangers bringing tons of drugs in to the US that are killing so many.

Romans 13:3,4
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

These gang bangers are evil doers and Trump is just pouring out a little wrath

It's about time!

 

[David in NJ]

Where is the United States Congress? The power of the executive branch must be reigned in. If any other country did this to us, we would view it as an act of war.

Smuggling drugs fetnayl and other very dangerous drugs that murder and kill our citizens is an Act of War upon the USA.

 

[quietthinker]

Smuggling drugs fetnayl and other very dangerous drugs that murder and kill our citizens is an Act of War upon the USA.

I guess pharmaceutical companies are exempt from this charge!

 

[Riven]

Smuggling drugs fetnayl and other very dangerous drugs that murder and kill our citizens is an Act of War upon the USA.

Then Trump should ask the Congress to formally declare war. They US constantly whines about countries like Mexico not respecting it's sovereignty while it's violating the sovereignty of other countries with air strikes.

Don't you find it strange that the US is in a constant state of war? We're close to $40 trillion dollars in debt, and yet we act as if we can keep borrowing forever. The invasion and occupation of Venezuela, if it does happen, will last for years. It'll add trillions of dollars to the national debt. Money we don't have.

The government will print money, inflation will skyrocket, and the US may not be able to pay the interest on it's debt. If that happens, any country still trading in dollars will see a huge economic downturn.

But we don't have real leadership in this country that understands that the days of Empire are going away. That's why we're in a constant state of war. Like every empire that came before it, the American empire is attempting to use it's military to slow the rate of decline.

But that strategy is a double edged sword, because the military isn't a free asset. Wars in foreign lands, especially occupations, are very expensive.

I think what American leadership needs to do is look inward and focus on things here at home. We have many issues that have been neglected for decades because of this desire to play empire all over the world.

I think it would be better for us to do this voluntarily than be forced to do it when the rug gets pulled out from under us due to an economic collapse or a war with another nuclear power.

 

[David in NJ]

I guess pharmaceutical companies are exempt from this charge!

Big Pharma is Big satanism

 

[David in NJ]

Then Trump should ask the Congress to formally declare war. They US constantly whines about countries like Mexico not respecting it's sovereignty while it's violating the sovereignty of other countries with air strikes.

Don't you find it strange that the US is in a constant state of war? We're close to $40 trillion dollars in debt, and yet we act as if we can keep borrowing forever. The invasion and occupation of Venezuela, if it does happen, will last for years. It'll add trillions of dollars to the national debt. Money we don't have.

The government will print money, inflation will skyrocket, and the US may not be able to pay the interest on it's debt. If that happens, any country still trading in dollars will see a huge economic downturn.

But we don't have real leadership in this country that understands that the days of Empire are going away. That's why we're in a constant state of war. Like every empire that came before it, the American empire is attempting to use it's military to slow the rate of decline.

But that strategy is a double edged sword, because the military isn't a free asset. Wars in foreign lands, especially occupations, are very expensive.

I think what American leadership needs to do is look inward and focus on things here at home. We have many issues that have been neglected for decades because of this desire to play empire all over the world.

I think it would be better for us to do this voluntarily than be forced to do it when the rug gets pulled out from under us due to an economic collapse or a war with another nuclear power.

It is all part of the Agenda to weaken our economy.

Destroying drug ships is Good2Go

the problem is the corrupt US Officials allow more in then what they confiscate/destroy