ANTI-Paul live, well & going strong

[Davy]

They do this with many things my friend . Many things .
But the sheep dont heed them .

That's why God is bringing the Destroyer for the very end of this world; it's going to do a lot of pruning that is obviously needed.

 

[amigo de christo]

That's why God is bringing the Destroyer for the very end of this world; it's going to do a lot of pruning that is obviously needed.

Wait till inclusive law becomes law . if we think sharia law is deadly , and it is
IT holds not the power of the inclusive law . that law gonna hammer all who conformed not to its image
of what IT says is GOD and it calls love . AND BINGO if ya guessed that its god and its love
WILL SERVE THE AGENDA OF THE ONE WORLD RELIGOIN WHICH SERVES THE AGENDA OF THE ONE WORLD GOVT .
WE ARE ALL BEING deceived . Satan knows how to unify a people under what such a people
will beleive to be GOD and LOVE . Anyt hing that conforms not to its image , W ILL BE PERSECUTED
on a level of a tribulation so great that if it were not ended not a lamb one would be alive .
THIS is gonna explode my friends . . ITS GONNA explode . they have the system now
They have the religoin now
they have the power now TO DO ALL that was written would occur right at the end hour . They lead this people
into a lie they beleive will attain world peace n safety . BUT ITS PEACE IS OF ANTI CHRIST .
ITS COMING . And it has one common god
and one common love , and that god and its love , HATES And LEADS and WILL LEAD
this people into great war against the saints . YOU MARK THEM WORDS . ITS COMING and ITS AT THE DOOR .

 

[Davy]

Wait till inclusive law becomes law . if we think sharia law is deadly , and it is
IT holds not the power of the inclusive law . that law gonna hammer all who conformed not to its image
of what IT says is GOD and it calls love . AND BINGO if ya guessed that its god and its love
WILL SERVE THE AGENDA OF THE ONE WORLD RELIGOIN WHICH SERVES THE AGENDA OF THE ONE WORLD GOVT .
WE ARE ALL BEING deceived . Satan knows how to unify a people under what such a people
will beleive to be GOD and LOVE . Anyt hing that conforms not to its image , W ILL BE PERSECUTED
on a level of a tribulation so great that if it were not ended not a lamb one would be alive .
THIS is gonna explode my friends . . ITS GONNA explode . they have the system now
They have the religoin now
they have the power now TO DO ALL that was written would occur right at the end hour . They lead this people
into a lie they beleive will attain world peace n safety . BUT ITS PEACE IS OF ANTI CHRIST .
ITS COMING . And it has one common god
and one common love , and that god and its love , HATES And LEADS and WILL LEAD
this people into great war against the saints . YOU MARK THEM WORDS . ITS COMING and ITS AT THE DOOR .

You don't have to warn me about that, I already know about it. But have you understood yet that Lucifer tried to setup a one-world beast kingdom originally when he first rebelled, back in the old world? It is written, specifically in Revelation 12:3-4 about that beast system that had only "seven crowns" instead of 10. And it occurred when he drew a third of the angels ("stars") to earth in rebellion with him.

Thus this coming one-world beast kingdom of Revelation 13:1 at the end, which is to have "ten crowns", is actually going to be a repeat of how Lucifer originally rebelled against God in the beginning, prior to this present 2nd world earth age.

 

[Behold]

Thing is though, Paul addressed our need to have works also;

Paul denied that works are requried for Salvation,.
In fact Paul's Gospel has no works in it, and that is becasue God's Salvation is a GIFT..........its the "Gift of Salvation".
Its JESUS on The Cross.....>>He is our Salvation.

People who are not really bible students and are just on the forum to share what their cult has taught them, will try to use James to try to contradict Paul, or they wil lry to use HEBREWS to try to contradict Paul's Doctrine, or they will try to use Matthew to try to contradict Paul's Doctrine.
If all that fails them, and it always will......... then they will pull out OSAS and kick that dead horse around for a while, as their final fail.

 

[Davy]

Paul denied that works are requried for Salvation,.
In fact Paul's Gospel has no works in it, and that is becasue God's Salvation is a GIFT..........its the "Gift of Salvation".
Its JESUS on The Cross.....>>He is our Salvation.

People who are not really bible students and are just on the forum to share what their cult has taught them, will try to use James to try to contradict Paul, or they wil lry to use HEBREWS to try to contradict Paul's Doctrine, or they will try to use Matthew to try to contradict Paul's Doctrine.
If all that fails them, and it always will......... then they will pull out OSAS and kick that dead horse around for a while, as their final fail.

You have SUNKEN to telling a LIE.

Apostle Paul DID express our NEED to have WORKS. He simply did not tie works as a REQUIREMENT of Salvation. Do you GET THAT? Works don't save us, Faith on Jesus Christ saves us.

However, one who believes on Jesus Christ, the Promise by Faith, WILL... have works in Christ. And that... is what I have been saying all along!

But propagandists like YOU twist the words of other people, like myself. And you need a LESSON in just what Apostle Paul taught about WORKS involving one's Faith.


OK backslider, the following Scriptures are Apostle Paul speaking...

Rom 2:5-11
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
KJV

Our works in Christ are what our future righteous clothing is made up of, for our works follow us to Heaven (Rev.14:13).

2 Cor 12:11-12
11 I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.
12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.
KJV

Apostle Paul stated one of the signs of an apostle were the "mighty deeds" from God it was shown he worked among the brethren. That is a product of Paul's Faith and having been chosen by Christ to be an Apostle. And in case you've only got a 3rd grade education, the idea of "deeds" means works.

Acts 26:20
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
KJV

That's Apostle Paul speaking to king Agrippa about Paul's experience on the road to Damascus when Jesus struck Paul blind. What's that "works meet for repentance" mean? it means as a PRODUCT of our Faith, and to show our putting off our old man, we should have works to show it. That's Paul preaching WORKS, not Salvation by works, but works as a product of one's Faith.

Eph 2:10
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
KJV

Apostle Paul speaking of us having been created in Christ Jesus unto good works! How is it that YOU said Paul did not preach about those in Christ having works in Christ? The false idea that we are saved by our works is a totally different... subject, because we are not saved by works. That still does NOT mean we should not have works to go along as a product of our Faith.

1 Tim 2:9-10
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
KJV

Paul speaking to Timothy about women in the Church needing those above things, and their need to profess godliness with good works!

1 Tim 6:17-19
17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, Who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
KJV

2 Tim 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
KJV

Titus 1:15-16
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny Him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
KJV

A sign of the unbelievers is their being reprobate against every good work, showing their works deny their knowledge of God. That is like one who confesses Christ Jesus, but that only, and goes about their own business, not having any works in Christ to show their Faith. And that is Apostle Paul speaking above.

Titus 2:13-14
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
KJV

I could... keep going with these examples about those in Christ having the need to have good works, as taught by Apostle Paul. But the matter you should realize about today's Hyper-Grace movement that believes man's doctrine called Once Saved, Always Saved, is those behind the creation of that doctrine are attempting to influence the 'works' of those in Christ.

They do that by absolutist ideas that works have nothing to do with The New Testament teachings by the Apostles. Their strategy against Christ is to make us think that all we need do is believe on Jesus to be saved, and therefore no need to have works in Christ as a result of our Faith. What does that mean exactly?

It means 'works' in Christ that SHOULD identify us, no longer does so. Yet that is one of the main identifiers that Apostle Paul taught that those in Christ SHOULD have, so others who SEE our good works in Christ will seek Christ also. The devil just does NOT want those in Christ to be setting any good examples to unbelievers.

The hirelings of John 10 that Jesus warned us about also create this problem in hiding the need for good works. It is very, very easy to preach Salvation by Faith on Jesus Christ, and then present a PARTY IT UP atmosphere of famous music entertainers at the Church service, and huge social dinners, events and such, just to draw in a huge congregation in order to generate more funds for the plate. We see these mega-churches doing this all the time, and their preachers are very careful to not preach anything in The Bible that may seem controversial. A lot of their preaching is about giving money, and not about the believer having good works to go along with their Faith. Thus those are hirelings, they preach as a business. The Once Saved, Always Saved doctrine serves those perfectly.

 

[amigo de christo]

You have SUNKEN to telling a LIE.

Apostle Paul DID express our NEED to have WORKS. He simply did not tie works as a REQUIREMENT of Salvation. Do you GET THAT? Works don't save us, Faith on Jesus Christ saves us.

However, one who believes on Jesus Christ, the Promise by Faith, WILL... have works in Christ. And that... is what I have been saying all along!

But propagandists like YOU twist the words of other people, like myself. And you need a LESSON in just what Apostle Paul taught about WORKS involving one's Faith.


OK backslider, the following Scriptures are Apostle Paul speaking...

Rom 2:5-11
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
KJV

Our works in Christ are what our future righteous clothing is made up of, for our works follow us to Heaven (Rev.14:13).

2 Cor 12:11-12
11 I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.
12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.
KJV

Apostle Paul stated one of the signs of an apostle were the "mighty deeds" from God it was shown he worked among the brethren. That is a product of Paul's Faith and having been chosen by Christ to be an Apostle. And in case you've only got a 3rd grade education, the idea of "deeds" means works.

Acts 26:20
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
KJV

That's Apostle Paul speaking to king Agrippa about Paul's experience on the road to Damascus when Jesus struck Paul blind. What's that "works meet for repentance" mean? it means as a PRODUCT of our Faith, and to show our putting off our old man, we should have works to show it. That's Paul preaching WORKS, not Salvation by works, but works as a product of one's Faith.

Eph 2:10
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
KJV

Apostle Paul speaking of us having been created in Christ Jesus unto good works! How is it that YOU said Paul did not preach about those in Christ having works in Christ? The false idea that we are saved by our works is a totally different... subject, because we are not saved by works. That still does NOT mean we should not have works to go along as a product of our Faith.

1 Tim 2:9-10
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
KJV

Paul speaking to Timothy about women in the Church needing those above things, and their need to profess godliness with good works!

1 Tim 6:17-19
17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, Who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
KJV

2 Tim 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
KJV

Titus 1:15-16
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny Him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
KJV

A sign of the unbelievers is their being reprobate against every good work, showing their works deny their knowledge of God. That is like one who confesses Christ Jesus, but that only, and goes about their own business, not having any works in Christ to show their Faith. And that is Apostle Paul speaking above.

Titus 2:13-14
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
KJV

I could... keep going with these examples about those in Christ having the need to have good works, as taught by Apostle Paul. But the matter you should realize about today's Hyper-Grace movement that believes man's doctrine called Once Saved, Always Saved, is those behind the creation of that doctrine are attempting to influence the 'works' of those in Christ.

They do that by absolutist ideas that works have nothing to do with The New Testament teachings by the Apostles. Their strategy against Christ is to make us think that all we need do is believe on Jesus to be saved, and therefore no need to have works in Christ as a result of our Faith. What does that mean exactly?

It means 'works' in Christ that SHOULD identify us, no longer does so. Yet that is one of the main identifiers that Apostle Paul taught that those in Christ SHOULD have, so others who SEE our good works in Christ will seek Christ also. The devil just does NOT want those in Christ to be setting any good examples to unbelievers.

The hirelings of John 10 that Jesus warned us about also create this problem in hiding the need for good works. It is very, very easy to preach Salvation by Faith on Jesus Christ, and then present a PARTY IT UP atmosphere of famous music entertainers at the Church service, and huge social dinners, events and such, just to draw in a huge congregation in order to generate more funds for the plate. We see these mega-churches doing this all the time, and their preachers are very careful to not preach anything in The Bible that may seem controversial. A lot of their preaching is about giving money, and not about the believer having good works to go along with their Faith. Thus those are hirelings, they preach as a business. The Once Saved, Always Saved doctrine serves those perfectly.

He who Provides not for his own , specially those of his own household has DENIED THE FAITH .
That is a works to give , to give to those in need . Paul and james did not contradict one the other .
As i am sure you would agree .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

YOU MARK THEM WORDS . ITS COMING and ITS AT THE DOOR .

Living in fear is sinful behavior:

The fearful will have their part in the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8)

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind

 

[PeterAndroz]

Even many newer Bibles appear to reduce the authority of Paul ?
Rom 11:13 from THE apostle to AN apostle
Rom 15:16 from THE minister to AN minister
Gal 2:7 Paul gospel OF to gospel TO.
Hmm, you don't believe it matters ?
Is Christ THE Christ or a Christ ?
Is GOD THE God or just a god ?
Is it the Book TO Revelation or the Book OF Revelation ?

Good thread RVMB I do notice though that sadly you rarely post on this forum nowadays.
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The ANTI-PAUL nonsense is crystal clear on here.