King Jesus will return at the end of this temporal age and then deliver His kingdom to God the Father

[Spiritual Israelite]

Premillennialists claim that Jesus will begin to reign after He returns, but scripture teaches that He has been reigning over all things in heaven and earth since His resurrection.

Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Ephesians 1:19 and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power 20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come. 22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Notice in Ephesians 1:20-21 that it says He has been reigning "far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.". Revelation 1:5 says that He is now "the ruler over the kings of the earth". So, He has been reigning during this temporal age and will continue to reign at the Father's side in the eternal age to come as well. We know that the age to come is eternal because Jesus said in this age people get married and in the age to come people will no longer get married and will no longer die (Luke 20:34-36).

So, Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords NOW and will continue to reign as King of kings and Lord of lords until His return, at which point He will then deliver the kingdom to God the Father and then even He will be subject to the Father (but no one else) at that point.

Premils have Jesus not even beginning to reign until He returns and then delivering the kingdom to the Father 1,000+ years later. That contradicts the following passage...

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

Notice that Paul said that the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, occurs at Christ's second coming, not a long time (1,000+ years) later.

This lines up with what Jesus taught here...

Matthew 13:40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Jesus will return at the end of the age (Matthew 24:3) and He said here in this passage above that at that time "then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father". Notice He calls it "the kingdom of their Father". That is because He will have delivered His kingdom to the Father at that point. This supports amillennialism and refutes premillennialism which claims that He will deliver His kingdom to the Father 1,000+ years after Christ returns.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This isn't surprising. How can any Premil deny that Jesus will come at the end of the age and deny that is when He will deliver the kingdom to God the Father when passages like 1 Corinthians 15:22-24 and Matthew 13:40-43 are so clear about that? Why would they even try? They claim to interpret scripture "as written". Well, these scriptures "as written" say that when Jesus returns at the end of the age, He will then deliver His kingdom that He has been reigning over that did not come with observation and is not of this world to the Father. So, He will not reign over an earthly millennial kingdom when He returns, He will reign in subjection to the Father over the new heavens and new earth for eternity in the eternal age to come.

If you agree with me that Jesus will return at the end of the age, then it should be clear that believers will inherit "the kingdom of their Father", which is an eternal kingdom, when Jesus returns and not a temporal earthly kingdom. Matthew 25:31-46 confirms that believers will inherit "eternal life" in the kingdom prepared for us from the foundation of the world when Jesus returns. Unbelievers will be cast into everlasting fire at that time. This does not leave any mortal to populate the earth for a supposed future thousand year earthly kingdom.

 

[Marilyn C]

Premillennialists claim that Jesus will begin to reign after He returns, but scripture teaches that He has been reigning over all things in heaven and earth since His resurrection.

Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Ephesians 1:19 and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power 20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come. 22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Notice in Ephesians 1:20-21 that it says He has been reigning "far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.". Revelation 1:5 says that He is now "the ruler over the kings of the earth". So, He has been reigning during this temporal age and will continue to reign at the Father's side in the eternal age to come as well. We know that the age to come is eternal because Jesus said in this age people get married and in the age to come people will no longer get married and will no longer die (Luke 20:34-36).

So, Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords NOW and will continue to reign as King of kings and Lord of lords until His return, at which point He will then deliver the kingdom to God the Father and then even He will be subject to the Father (but no one else) at that point.

Premils have Jesus not even beginning to reign until He returns and then delivering the kingdom to the Father 1,000+ years later. That contradicts the following passage...

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

Notice that Paul said that the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, occurs at Christ's second coming, not a long time (1,000+ years) later.

This lines up with what Jesus taught here...

Matthew 13:40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Jesus will return at the end of the age (Matthew 24:3) and He said here in this passage above that at that time "then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father". Notice He calls it "the kingdom of their Father". That is because He will have delivered His kingdom to the Father at that point. This supports amillennialism and refutes premillennialism which claims that He will deliver His kingdom to the Father 1,000+ years after Christ returns.

Hi SI,

`The LORD (Father) said to my Lord, (Jesus) "Sit at my right hand till I make your enemies your footstool." (Ps. 110: 1)

So, when has or will the Father make the Lord`s enemies His footstool?

 

[rwb]

Hi SI,

`The LORD (Father) said to my Lord, (Jesus) "Sit at my right hand till I make your enemies your footstool." (Ps. 110: 1)

So, when has or will the Father make the Lord`s enemies His footstool?

This is progressively taking place from the first advent of Christ and will be complete when the last trumpet sounds.

Acts 1:2-4 (KJV) Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

Acts 1:9-11 (KJV) And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Daniel 7:13-14 (KJV) I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Acts 2:34-36 (KJV) For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool. Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

 

[rwb]

We know that the age to come is eternal because Jesus said in this age people get married and in the age to come people will no longer get married and will no longer die (Luke 20:34-36).

What resurrection is Jesus referring to? What resurrection must man have part in before we die is be "accounted worthy to obtain that world"? When we have part in the resurrection from the dead when we do not marry, and never die any more, and are equal to the angels and children of God, is it through spiritually having part in the resurrected life of Christ, or will it not come to pass until our physical resurrection when the last trump sounds? When Christ says "NOW that the dead are raised", is He speaking of man who is spiritually dead being made alive through the Spirit of Christ in us, or is He speaking of man of faith being bodily resurrected at the end of the age? If at the end of the age why does Christ say, "NOW that the dead are raised" and does not say now that the dead are resurrected? Why does Christ speak of Moses, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as "the living"?

Luke 20:34-38 (KJV) And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

 

[Douggg]

Premillennialists claim that Jesus will begin to reign after He returns, but scripture teaches that He has been reigning over all things in heaven and earth since His resurrection.

The premil view is that Jesus will be present here on earth to reign over the nations with a rod of iron for the 1000 years that will follow His return.

 

[Marilyn C]

This is progressively taking place from the first advent of Christ and will be complete when the last trumpet sounds.

Acts 1:2-4 (KJV) Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

Acts 1:9-11 (KJV) And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Daniel 7:13-14 (KJV) I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Acts 2:34-36 (KJV) For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool. Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

I agree that it is progressive, rwb.

 

[Marilyn C]

The premil view is that Jesus will be present here on earth to reign over the nations with a rod of iron for the 1000 years that will follow His return.

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Hi Douggg.

You know that I am a premil, however, I do not believe that the Lord will rule physically on the earth in the millennium. Christ will rule, (as always) from His seat of power and authority on Mount Zion in the third heaven. That is where the Father will set His son. (Ps. 2: 6)

Otherwise, we both generally believe the main points.

 

[Button]

King Jesus reigns over this world in its present state?

 

[Douggg]

Hi Douggg.

You know that I am a premil, however, I do not believe that the Lord will rule physically on the earth in the millennium. Christ will rule, (as always) from His seat of power and authority on Mount Zion in the third heaven. That is where the Father will set His son. (Ps. 2: 6)

Otherwise, we both generally believe the main points.

Hi Marilyn,

While I do believe that Jesus will be here on earth during the millennium, I do think that Jesus will be going back and forth from earth to heaven, from heaven to earth, during that time.

 

[Zao is life]

Premillennialists claim that Jesus will begin to reign after He returns, but scripture teaches that He has been reigning over all things in heaven and earth since His resurrection.

Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Ephesians 1:19 and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power 20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come. 22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Notice in Ephesians 1:20-21 that it says He has been reigning "far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.". Revelation 1:5 says that He is now "the ruler over the kings of the earth". So, He has been reigning during this temporal age and will continue to reign at the Father's side in the eternal age to come as well. We know that the age to come is eternal because Jesus said in this age people get married and in the age to come people will no longer get married and will no longer die (Luke 20:34-36).

So, Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords NOW and will continue to reign as King of kings and Lord of lords until His return, at which point He will then deliver the kingdom to God the Father and then even He will be subject to the Father (but no one else) at that point.

Premils have Jesus not even beginning to reign until He returns and then delivering the kingdom to the Father 1,000+ years later. That contradicts the following passage...

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

Notice that Paul said that the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, occurs at Christ's second coming, not a long time (1,000+ years) later.

This lines up with what Jesus taught here...

Matthew 13:40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Jesus will return at the end of the age (Matthew 24:3) and He said here in this passage above that at that time "then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father". Notice He calls it "the kingdom of their Father". That is because He will have delivered His kingdom to the Father at that point. This supports amillennialism and refutes premillennialism which claims that He will deliver His kingdom to the Father 1,000+ years after Christ returns.

Ephesians 1:19 and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power 20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,

21 far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come. 22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

Hebrews 2
8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

The fact that all authority has been given to the Son during this age

- but in the age to come, He will hand all authority back to God the Father and yet will continue to reign to the ages of the ages in His kingdom

(when the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord AND of His Messiah - Rev 11:15)

- should tell you something - everything - about the first millennium in the age to come.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Hi SI,

`The LORD (Father) said to my Lord, (Jesus) "Sit at my right hand till I make your enemies your footstool." (Ps. 110: 1)

So, when has or will the Father make the Lord`s enemies His footstool?

If you respond specifically to at least one point I made in my original post, then I will answer your question. I would like to get some feedback on my original post and you just asking me a question doesn't address the points I made in my post.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ephesians 1:19 and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power 20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,

21 far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come. 22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

Hebrews 2
8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

The fact that all authority has been given to the Son during this age

- but in the age to come, He will hand all authority back to God the Father and yet will continue to reign to the ages of the ages in His kingdom

(when the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord AND of His Messiah - Rev 11:15)

- should tell you something - everything - about the first millennium in the age to come.

It tells me that once He delivers the kingdom to the Father He will then reign for eternity in the eternal new heavens and new earth while being subject to the Father (1 Cor 15:22-28). At the time when He delivers the kingdom to the Father the last enemy, death, will be destroyed (1 Cor 15:26), which shows that eternity will be ushered in at that point.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What resurrection is Jesus referring to?

The bodily resurrection of the dead that will occur when He comes again. At the time when that happens, this temporal age during which people get married and die will be over and the eternal age to come will be ushered in when people will no longer die or get married. This is what Jesus taught in Luke 20:34-36.

What resurrection must man have part in before we die is be "accounted worthy to obtain that world"?

That's the first resurrection, which was Christ's resurrection (Acts 26:23), but Jesus didn't say anything about the first resurrection in Luke 20:34-36. He didn't say that once must be resurrected in order to obtain the age to come. He indicated that the age to come will be ushered in when the resurrection occurs. Those who are alive and remain when He comes will obtain the age to come as well because of having had part in the first resurrection.

When we have part in the resurrection from the dead when we do not marry, and never die any more, and are equal to the angels and children of God, is it through spiritually having part in the resurrected life of Christ, or will it not come to pass until our physical resurrection when the last trump sounds?

You are not reading Luke 20:34-36 carefully at all. The time when no one will get married anymore or die any more is when Jesus comes again in the future. You are turning something simple into something complicated for no reason. But, that's what you do.

Luke 20:34-36 proves that amillennialism is true because it shows that the age to come is eternal with no death rather than the age to come being the thousand years as premills believe.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

King Jesus reigns over this world in its present state?

Yes. Did you not read the original post? Do you believe that all authority in heaven and earth was given to Him after His resurrection as He said it was (Matthew 28:18)? Do you believe that He reigns at the right hand of the Father in heaven "far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named" right now with "all things under His feet", as Paul said in Ephesians 1:19-22?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The premil view is that Jesus will be present here on earth to reign over the nations with a rod of iron for the 1000 years that will follow His return.

Did you think I somehow didn't know that? You don't have to tell me what premils believe. That is what I'm refuting in my original post. Do you have any response to what I said in my post? Would it be too much for me to ask you to specifically address the points I made?

 

[rwb]

The bodily resurrection of the dead that will occur when He comes again. At the time when that happens, this temporal age during which people get married and die will be over and the eternal age to come will be ushered in when people will no longer die or get married. This is what Jesus taught in Luke 20:34-36.

The temporal age for mankind ends when our natural body of flesh breathes its last. The spirit of all who physically die in faith returns to God in heaven as spiritual body, living souls, where we are as the angels of God, spirit without human form. Angels of God that are spirit beings do not marry, and in heaven as spiritual body believers do not marry, nor will we be given in marriage. Having died in faith, we are already espoused to Christ, being the bride of Christ who is the bridegroom which is why in heaven we do not marry. Now in this age of time the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is being built. And when the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is complete, the prepared bride (Church) adorned for Her Husband shall come down from God out of heaven to the new earth.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

1 Corinthians 15:44 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

John 3:29 (KJV) He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

Revelation 22:16-17 (KJV) I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Revelation 21:2 (KJV) And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

That's the first resurrection, which was Christ's resurrection (Acts 26:23), but Jesus didn't say anything about the first resurrection in Luke 20:34-36.

If Christ was not speaking of having part in the first resurrection, that is to partake of the resurrection life through the resurrected Christ, why would He say we become as are the angels of God in heaven? Why resurrect our body of flesh immortal and incorruptible if then we shall be like the angels of God who are spirit beings?

He didn't say that once must be resurrected in order to obtain the age to come.

If we have not part in the first resurrection through the resurrection of Christ before we physically die, how can we hope to obtain the age to come when the last trumpet sounds?

He indicated that the age to come will be ushered in when the resurrection occurs.

This is true! Faithful saints have spiritually entered into the age to come through the Spirit of Christ within us. Just as Christ has entered into the heavenly realm, faithful saints also have blessed assurance that we too shall be there together with Him, even before He comes again. When the last trumpet sounds that time for building the Kingdom of God in heaven has ended, the spiritual body of living souls in heaven God will bring with Christ and then we shall be made whole body + spirit = living souls once again.

Ephesians 2:5-7 (KJV) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

John 14:2-3 (KJV) In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

2 Corinthians 5:6-8 (KJV) Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Philippians 1:23 (KJV) For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

1 Thessalonians 4:14 (KJV) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

You are not reading Luke 20:34-36 carefully at all.

I believe I have proper understanding of the resurrection (first) in view here.

 

[Button]

Yes. Did you not read the original post? Do you believe that all authority in heaven and earth was given to Him after His resurrection as He said it was (Matthew 28:18)? Do you believe that He reigns at the right hand of the Father in heaven "far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named" right now with "all things under His feet", as Paul said in Ephesians 1:19-22?

After Messiah arrived there was suppose to be peace ,according to the Messianic prophecy.

Consider how the world is today. How does King Jesus be said to be responsible for this as sovereign of the world?

 

[rwb]

After Messiah arrived there was suppose to be peace ,according to the Messianic prophecy.

Consider how the world is today. How does King Jesus be said to be responsible for this as sovereign of the world?

How is peace in this age achieved for people of the world who enjoy peace that only Christ can give? Do you equate world peace to the peace that comes through knowing Christ?

Philippians 4:7 (KJV) And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

 

[Button]

How is peace in this age achieved for people of the world who enjoy peace that only Christ can give? Do you equate world peace to the peace that comes through knowing Christ?

Philippians 4:7 (KJV) And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

How long has the spirit of Christ been in the world?