The only source of life and the fallacy of a 'dead' human spirit being 'quickened from death'

[Earburner]

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Evidently you are not comprehending the words correctly of who it is EXACTLY that is tormented day and night for ever and ever.
It is only Satan. He does HAVE Eternal existence, but unsaved people DO NOT!!
The [10H]Beast and the [2H] Beast/false prophet are strictly of this world/earth and consist of unsaved people. Scripturally, both are prophetic beasts, which according to Daniel, they are mortal kingdoms/empires of people.

There is no such thing as the pagan belief of an "Immortal Eternal living soul". However there are trillions of mortal living souls, both man and animal that breathe "the breath of life", aka Oxygenated air. Satan does NOT.
He is an angelic spirit, who has only eternal existence.
Gen. 7
[21] And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
[22] All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, [Oxygenated air] of all that was in the dry land, died [drowned, suffocated].

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Evidently you are not comprehending the words correctly of who it is EXACTLY that is tormented day and night for ever and ever.
It is only Satan. He does HAVE Eternal existence, but unsaved people DO NOT!!

Revelation 14:9-11 makes it clear that humans also will experience eternal torment. Unsaved people will be cast into the same place that Satan and his angels are (Matthew 25:41, Rev 20:10,15). It's obviously a place where living beings experience eternal torment. If unsaved human beings don't experience eternal torment there, then they would be cast somewhere else than where Satan and his angels will be.

The [10H]Beast and the [2H] Beast/false prophet are strictly of this world/earth and consist of unsaved people. Scripturally, both are prophetic beasts, which according to Daniel, they are mortal kingdoms/empires of people.

There is no such thing as the pagan belief of an "Immortal Eternal living soul". However there are trillions of mortal living souls, both man and animal that breathe "the breath of life", aka Oxygenated air. Satan does NOT.
He is an angelic spirit, who has only eternal existence.
Gen. 7
[21] And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
[22] All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, [Oxygenated air] of all that was in the dry land, died [drowned, suffocated].

You make a lot of claims that aren't taught in scripture. I truly have no idea how you think Genesis 7:21-22 supports your view. You don't seem to differentiate between the human body, soul and spirit like scripture does.

 

[rwb]

I am not baffled! But many are forgetful that A&E were created by God having innocence, which is having NO knowledge of good or evil whatsoever.
When Jesus implied that he was not good, he was saying only that he was dwelling in that of an innocent mind.

I'm not forgetful that A&E were created without possessing the knowledge of good or evil.

Christ speaks these words not to imply that He is not good, for He is God! Jesus is turning the question back on the seeker of eternal life who does not believe Christ to be God or own Him as God. So Christ tells him there is none good but God so why do you call Me good since you have not believed on Me for eternal life.

Mark 10:17-18 (KJV) And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

First and foremost Adam and Eve were ALWAYS MORTAL. They NEVER ate from "The Tree of Life".... who was Jesus in His Eternal state.

This is your assumption! Nowhere do we read A&E had not already eaten from the tree of life. The only tree forbidden was the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The tree of life indeed does symbolize the Spirit of Christ. Nor are we told the A&E were created mortal! In fact, Scripture tells us they did not come under condemnation of death until AFTER they disobeyed God.

Secondly, after A&E had partaken of the "Tree of the knowledge of good and evil", they were booted out of the garden, and were barred from the Garden so that they could NOT eat of the "Tree of Life" and then live forever (have eternal life).

This is correct! Once they were barred from eating of the tree of life, was the moment they must be born again through the Spirit to obtain eternal spiritual life again. God provided Himself the Lamb! Christ, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. According to promise God sacrificed animals, taking their skins to cover their nakedness, which is symbolizing the blood of Christ that would be shed in time. The blood of sacrificial animals before the advent of Christ' cross and resurrection was the substitutional means by which mankind of faith in Messiah to come could be saved.

Having now partaken of the ToG&E, they had LOST their Innocense of mind, God could not allow them to Live Forever in the condition of being void of innocence, having only the knowledge of both good and evil.

EXACTLY! Which is why man MUST BE BORN AGAIN to return to the eternal spiritual state man possessed through Christ's Spirit (breath of life) when they were created. When man has been born again, they HAVE not shall have, but HAVE ETERNAL life through the Spirit of Christ in us, and all who have been born again shall NEVER die!

 

[Earburner]

Revelation 14:9-11 makes it clear that humans also will experience eternal torment. Unsaved people will be cast into the same place that Satan and his angels are (Matthew 25:41, Rev 20:10,15). It's obviously a place where living beings experience eternal torment. If unsaved human beings don't experience eternal torment there, then they would be cast somewhere else than where Satan and his angels will be.

Mat. 25:
[41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Q. Again, what was it that was prepared (made available) and who was it prepared (made availabe) for?
A. Ever lasting fire was prepared [made available] for Satan and his angels upon Jesus' return in Immortality.

Ever lasting fire is the "all consuming fire" of the Immortal Glorious presence of Christ Himself, descending from heaven in flaming [fiery] fire taking vengeance on all the unsaved.
KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10. Heb. 12:29

There is only one person who is "an all consuming fire".... and He Himself is Ever-lasting.

The equation is:
Everlasting + flaming fire + all consuming fire = Jesus, in all His Immortal Glory.

You make a lot of claims that aren't taught in scripture. I truly have no idea how you think Genesis 7:21-22 supports your view. You don't seem to differentiate between the human body, soul and spirit like scripture does.

Moses made it clear that the breath of life was delivered by God through the nostrils to all people and all land animals.
KJV Gen. 2:7, Gen. 7:22.

Q1. Do all people and all land animals have an Immortal Eternal living soul?

Q2. Or are they ALL just mortal living souls of people and land animals, that are simply breathing Oxygenated air?


 Edit: Lev. 17[11] For the life of the flesh IS IN the blood:....
Q. What is it that is in the blood?
A. Oxygen.

 

[Earburner]

I'm not forgetful that A&E were created without possessing the knowledge of good or evil.

Christ speaks these words not to imply that He is not good, for He is God! Jesus is turning the question back on the seeker of eternal life who does not believe Christ to be God or own Him as God. So Christ tells him there is none good but God so why do you call Me good since you have not believed on Me for eternal life.

Mark 10:17-18 (KJV) And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.



This is your assumption! Nowhere do we read A&E had not already eaten from the tree of life. The only tree forbidden was the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The tree of life indeed does symbolize the Spirit of Christ. Nor are we told the A&E were created mortal! In fact, Scripture tells us they did not come under condemnation of death until AFTER they disobeyed God.



This is correct! Once they were barred from eating of the tree of life, was the moment they must be born again through the Spirit to obtain eternal spiritual life again. God provided Himself the Lamb! Christ, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. According to promise God sacrificed animals, taking their skins to cover their nakedness, which is symbolizing the blood of Christ that would be shed in time. The blood of sacrificial animals before the advent of Christ' cross and resurrection was the substitutional means by which mankind of faith in Messiah to come could be saved.



EXACTLY! Which is why man MUST BE BORN AGAIN to return to the eternal spiritual state man possessed through Christ's Spirit (breath of life) when they were created. When man has been born again, they HAVE not shall have, but HAVE ETERNAL life through the Spirit of Christ in us, and all who have been born again shall NEVER die!

Sorry!! Wrong!! With Adam and Eve, you just jumped the fence of "a soul" vs. Holy Spirit, and tried to make us all believe that "a soul" was God's Holy Spirit before and after they ate of the tree of the KoG&E.

You have all the Biblical words, phrases and sentences, but the internalized pagan false doctrine of church-ianity is still haunting you, and is NOT allowing you to HEAR the mind (thoughts/ meaning) of Christ.

Edit:
As for Christ dwelling in the likeness of our mortal flesh, He set aside all of his Godly status and power of being the Eternal "Son of God" and became the mortal "son of man", aka. the "last Adam", of whom was created with an innocent mind, having no ability to know or perform that which was good or evil. Remember?
Jesus emphatically stated that it was His Father within him that was DOING His good works through him.

Mark 10:17-18 (KJV) And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him,
Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
In other words, Jesus literally was saying: I am not good because I am innocent of mind, and I am not evil because I am innocent of mind.

 

[rwb]

Sorry!! Wrong!! With Adam and Eve, you just jumped the fence of "a soul" vs. Holy Spirit, and tried to make us all believe that "a soul" was God's Holy Spirit before and after they ate of the tree of the KoG&E.

You have all the Biblical words, phrases and sentences, but the internalized pagan false doctrine of church-ianity still is haunting you, and is NOT allowing you to HEAR the mind (thoughts/ meaning) of Christ.

Edit:
As for Christ dwelling in the likeness of our mortal flesh, He set aside all of his Godly status and power of being the Eternal "Son of God" and became the mortal "son of man", aka. the "last Adam", of whom was created with an innocent mind, having no ability to know or perform that which was good or evil. Remember?
Jesus emphatically stated that it was His Father within him that was DOING His good works through him.

Mark 10:17-18 (KJV) And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him,
Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
In other words, Jesus literally was saying: I am not good because I am innocent of mind, and I am not evil because I am innocent of mind.

There is little logic in continuing this discussion with you! You've been repeatedly shown to be in error, but because you have this mindset only you alone, since you alone have not fallen under the influence of what you call "pagan false doctrine of church-ianity", is the only Christian on these boards possessing biblical truths!

One last point! It's absolutely ridiculous to believe that Christ, Who is God, would say he is not good since He is God!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Mat. 25:
[41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Q. Again, what was it that was prepared (made available) and who was it prepared (made availabe) for?
A. Ever lasting fire was prepared [made available] for Satan and his angels upon Jesus' return in Immortality.

Ever lasting fire is the "all consuming fire" of the Immortal Glorious presence of Christ Himself, descending from heaven in flaming [fiery] fire taking vengeance on all the unsaved.

Why do you not differentiate between the physical destruction of living unbelievers that will occur when Jesus returns and the casting of unbelievers into everlasting fire that will occur after dead unbelievers have been resurrected for judgment?

KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10. Heb. 12:29

There is only one person who is "an all consuming fire".... and He Himself is Ever-lasting.

The equation is:
Everlasting + flaming fire + all consuming fire = Jesus, in all His Immortal Glory.

Moses made it clear that the breath of life was delivered by God through the nostrils to all people and all land animals.
KJV Gen. 2:7, Gen. 7:22.

Q1. Do all people and all land animals have an Immortal Eternal living soul?

Q2. Or are they ALL just mortal living souls of people and land animals, that are simply breathing Oxygenated air?


 Edit: Lev. 17[11] For the life of the flesh IS IN the blood:....
Q. What is it that is in the blood?
A. Oxygen.

The BODY needs oxygen. Not the soul and spirit. You arguments are not convincing whatsoever.

 

[Earburner]

There is little logic in continuing this discussion with you! You've been repeatedly shown to be in error, but because you have this mindset only you alone, since you alone have not fallen under the influence of what you call "pagan false doctrine of church-ianity", is the only Christian on these boards possessing biblical truths!

One last point! It's absolutely ridiculous to believe that Christ, Who is God, would say he is not good since He is God!

You still don't understand!! When Christ became mortal flesh, he temporarily left behind (temporarily abandoned) all of his Eternal Godly abilities and became a mortal "living soul", having within his flesh the ability to mortally DIE, just like us!!

How is it that you cannot discern, fathom or comprehend the words of Jesus' Truth about himself in KJV Mark 10:17-18?
While he was in the likeness of our mortal flesh, he only had the mind/knowledge of innocence, and not the mind/knowledge of good OR evil.

While He was in the flesh, Jesus was the sacrificial Lamb of God without SIN, having not the knowledge of good and evil, BUT was made to be SIN FOR US.
2 Cor. 5[21] For he [God the Father] hath made him [God the Son] to be sin for us, who knew no sin [was innocent]; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

While the Jews were calling to Pilate for Jesus to be crucified in Mat. 27, Pilate spoke truthfully when he said:
[23] And the governor said, Why, what EVIL hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.
[24] When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this JUST [innocent] person: see ye to it.
[25] Then answered all the people [of Israel], and said, His [innocent] blood be [a curse] on us, and on our children.

The shedding of innocent blood is an abomination against God.
Actually all of that discourse in Mat. 27:23-25 is more serious than church-ianity can know about. It was OC Israel that committed "the abomination that maketh desolate".
Prov. 6:16-19. Verse 17 is prophetic about Jesus' innocent blood being shed by another's hands.
[17] A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed INNOCENT blood....

But, that's another topic for another thread.

 

[Earburner]

Why do you not differentiate between the physical destruction of living unbelievers that will occur when Jesus returns and the casting of unbelievers into everlasting fire that will occur after dead unbelievers have been resurrected for judgment?

KJV John 3:18 is the judgment of God for the saved (the not condemned) and the unsaved (the condemned already). It has been in process since the day of Jesus death and resurection. Therefore all who die their mortal death without the Lord, they are "condemned already".
Edit: the repentant thief's judgment and reward was immediate!! He is now with Jesus asleep in Paradise, waiting to be awakened to come with Jesus upon the Day of His Glorious return.

As for the saved since then, who died their mortal death, they also are asleep in Jesus, in paradise, waiting to arise from their sleep, to come with Him upon His Glorious return to receive us, who are alive and remain in that 24 hour day of His Glorious return.

Please notice that all who died in faith believing in Jesus, ARE NOW asleep in paradise!! John 11[26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
However, EVERYONE who does NOT believe in Jesus are "condemned already" and DO DIE and STAY DEAD. Why?? They do not have any kind of eternal existence at all!!

If you read KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10, please notice the word "when" being spoken twice. Once in verse 7 and then again in verse 10.
In that 24 hour Day, Destruction for the unsaved and Salvation for the saved is a simultaneous event.
Please do read about Lot and his 24 hours, with Abraham being a witness to Lot's arrival in Zoar, and when the smoke from Sodom and Gamorah was going up as a furnace. KJV Gen. 19:14-28 and then compare that to KJV Luke 17:28-30.

The BODY needs oxygen. Not the soul and spirit. You arguments are not convincing whatsoever.

The brain/mind of the body controls the body consciously and subconsciously. If it receives no Oxygen, aka "the breath of life", from the blood supply, the brain/mind will become void of all consciousness, and in a very short time, if it cannot become conscious again, organ failure is the result to the point of death.

Lev. 17:11 "The life OF the flesh IS IN the blood....". Which is Oxygenated air,
which is "the breath of life".

It's not all that hard to understand, unless of course one wants to hang on to their Pagan indoctrination of a religious belief, fabricated by church-ianity.
Remember, "the natural man" is not spiritual AT ALL!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

KJV John 3:18 is the judgment of God for the saved (the not condemned) and the unsaved (the condemned already). It has been in process since the day of Jesus death and resurection. Therefore all who die their mortal death without the Lord, they are "condemned already".
Edit: the repentant thief's judgment and reward was immediate!! He is now with Jesus asleep in Paradise, waiting to be awakened to come with Jesus upon the Day of His Glorious return.

As for the saved since then, who died their mortal death, they also are asleep in Jesus, in paradise, waiting to arise from their sleep, to come with Him upon His Glorious return to receive us, who are alive and remain in that 24 hour day of His Glorious return.

Please notice that all who died in faith believing in Jesus, ARE NOW asleep in paradise!! John 11[26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
However, EVERYONE who does NOT believe in Jesus are "condemned already" and DO DIE and STAY DEAD. Why?? They do not have any kind of eternal existence at all!!

If you read KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10, please notice the word "when" being spoken twice. Once in verse 7 and then again in verse 10.
In that 24 hour Day, Destruction for the unsaved and Salvation for the saved is a simultaneous event.
Please do read about Lot and his 24 hours, with Abraham being a witness to Lot's arrival in Zoar, and when the smoke from Sodom and Gamorah was going up as a furnace. KJV Gen. 19:14-28 and then compare that to KJV Luke 17:38-30.

The brain/mind of the body controls the body consciously and subconsciously. If it receives no Oxygen, aka "the breath of life", from the blood supply, the brain/mind will become void of all consciousness, and in a very short time, if it cannot become conscious again, organ failure is the result to the point of death.

Total nonsense. Your inability to differentiate between the verses that speak of physical destruction and those that speak of what happens at the judgment is your downfall. Your belief in the false doctrine of soul sleep tells me that I can't take you seriously. So, I won't.

 

[Earburner]

Total nonsense. Your inability to differentiate between the verses that speak of physical destruction and those that speak of what happens at the judgment is your downfall. Your belief in the false doctrine of soul sleep tells me that I can't take you seriously. So, I won't.

OK, then maybe you will take the words of the Holy Spirit in Paul seriously:
1 Thes. 4
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which  SLEEP in Jesus will God bring with him.

The world is thoroughly being divided in half.
Ever since the death and the resurrection of Jesus, everyone in the world is at the "cross"road daily.
Those who believe in Him that NEVER die, as opposed to those who don't believe in Him and SURELY do die.
There are those who are NOT condemned and there are those who are condemned ALREADY. John 3:18.

Edit: to continue on in the corrupted religious understanding, that man was given by God an Immortal Eternal Living Soul, as was believed by early church-ianity, then the other false concept of a fictional realm of "Purgatory", might surely be right here, right now. Lol.
Can you say the word Paganism?

By the way, I hope that you don't consider "Dante's Inferno" (1308 AD.) to be a potential reality?

Dante's 9 Circles of Hell: A Guide to the Structure of 'Inferno'

Here's a structural overview of the nine circles of hell in the first part of the Italian poet Dante Alighier's "Divine Comedy."

www.thoughtco.com

 

[Zao is life]

OK, then maybe you will take the Holy Spirit in Paul seriously.

We take the words of God and the Holy Spirit in the apostles who penned the words of God seriously. That's why we can see your corruptions of the things they wrote in each of the many cases you do this.

You are not the Holy Spirit. You are a man - a mere mortal with a fallible human mind who adds his own human religious ideas - born in your own fallible human imagination - to what the apostles wrote, corrupting what they said.

It's precisely because we take the words of the Holy Spirit penned by the apostles seriously that we can see it.

 

[Zao is life]

Back to topic:

* It is written that God - the Father - possesses LIFE [zoe] IN HIMSELF (John 5:26).
* It is written that LIFE [zoe] is IN THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:4).
* It is written that THE WORD OF GOD became a human being (John 1:14).
* It is written that it has been given by God to the Son of God | the Son of man to possess life [zoe] IN HIMSELF.

* It is written that He (Christ) alone possesses immortality (1 Timothy 6:16). As He (Jesus) said:

"Fear not; I am the first and the last:
I am he that is alive / that liveth [zao],
and was dead;
and, behold, I am alive [zao] to the ages of the ages, Amen;
and I have the keys of hades and of death."
(Revelation 1:17-18)​

* It is not written that the created man and his seed have LIFE life [zoe] IN THEMSELVES - it is written that:

(a) God breathed (Spirit) the breath of LIFE [zoe] into the nostrils of the man He had created, and Adam became a LIVING [zao] soul / being.

(b) It is implied by biblical scripture that the LIFE [zoe] that was given by God to Adam was IN THE WORD OF GOD who had given to Adam to freely eat of THE TREE OF LIFE, but

(c) forbade him to eat of the tree OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, informing Him that if He did, dying He would die.

(d) Adam rebelled against the WORD OF GOD and died 930 years later, having lost access to THE TREE OF LIFE [zoe] and as a result, death came into his experience, so that he would not LIVE | BE ALIVE [zao] forever (he would no longer be immortal).

- Adam did not possess immortality.

* It is written that the first LIE began with the words "Ye shall NOT surely die" (Genesis 3:4).

* It is not written that God has given to the seed of the created man to have LIFE [zoe] IN OURSELVES - it is written that it has been given to us to have eternal life [zoe aionios] IN CHRIST (1 John 5:11-12)

- who is THE WORD OF GOD IN WHOM IS LIFE [zoe] who became flesh, died for our sins, and rose again from the dead, and said:

"I am the Resurrection [o anastasis]
and the ZOE! (the life).
He who believes in Me, though he die,
yet he shall live (ZAO: he shall be alive)."​

(The resurrection of the dead renders the one who died alive again):​

"And whoever is ZAO (alive) and believes in Me shall never die."
(shall be immortal) (John 11:23-26).​

* It is written that the dead bodies of Adam and the seed of Adam who have been given eternal LIFE [zoe] IN CHRIST will be:

1. Made alive [zao] again ("quickened"), having been quickened with the quickening of Christ's dead body (Romans 8:10-11)

- because we have been buried with him [sunthapto] in baptism, wherein also all of us are risen with him [sunegeiro] through the faith of the operation of God, who has raised him [egeiro] from the dead, And we, being dead in our sins and the uncircumcision of our flesh, he has quickened together with him [syzoopoieo], having forgiven us all trespasses. (Colossians 2:12-13)

(Christ's dead body was quickened - not His Spirit. When Jesus died, His Spirit did not die: His soul went into hades (Acts 2:27), where by the Spirit He preached to the spirits in prison (1 Peter 3:18-20), and His dead body, being quickened [zoopoieo] (made alive by the Spirit), was raised from the dead):

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." (Jesus, John 6:63).

As Paul said elsewhere:

God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us, Even when we were dead in sins,

(1) He has (past tense) syzōopoiéō (quickened together with) Christ, (by grace ye are saved);

(2) and has (past tense) raised us up together (synegeírō) and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:4-6);

and

2. So because we have been quickened with Christ when His dead body was quickened, our dead bodies too will be quickened, and we will rise again bodily from the dead - having been raised with the resurrection of Christ's dead body - hence we will LIVE | BE ALIVE [zao] forever (be immortal) (we shall NEVER die).

"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be quickened [zoopoieo]."
(1 Corinthians 15:22 - where Paul is talking about the resurrection of the body).​

 

[Earburner]

We take the words of God and the Holy Spirit in the apostles who penned the words of God seriously. That's why we can see your corruptions of the things they wrote in each of the many cases you do this.

You are not the Holy Spirit. You are a man - a mere mortal with a fallible human mind who adds his own human religious ideas - born in your own fallible human imagination - to what the apostles wrote, corrupting what they said.

It's precisely because we take the words of the Holy Spirit penned by the apostles seriously that we can see it.

I once was ONLY a mere "natural man", a Gentile, but now that the "spirit of Christ" dwells within me, by His Holy Spirit, I am made to be a NEW creature/creation in Christ Jesus.

The Holy Spirit, aka the mind of Christ in Paul said: "We [who are born again]  HAVE the mind of Christ".
 Evidently, your false doctrines are still haunting you, confusing and contesting with the mind of Christ IN YOU.

Becareful that His mind in you doesn't get subdued by the false doctrines and false teachings, that were fabricated by CHURCH-ianity of long ago!!! Such as the most corruptive influence of all: that God GAVE to all people an Immortal Eternal Soul. That is a Pagan belief!
1 Cor. 2
[16] For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

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[Earburner]

* It is not written that the created man and his seed have LIFE life [zoe] IN THEMSELVES - it is written that:
(a) God breathed (Spirit) the breath of LIFE [zoe] into the nostrils of the man He had created, and Adam became a LIVING [zao] soul / being.

Noting that the newly Created body of Adam by God was teeming with trillions of living cells already, all those cells were waiting for the nourishment of the gaseous element of Oxygen to CONTINUE to live on.
If not, tthen they all would be dieing off rapidly. First the Brain cells, thus bringing on the complete loss (shut down) of both consciousness and subconsciousness.

Your words back to you with a correction:
* It is _ _ _ written that the created man and his seed have LIFE life [H2233] posterity, child of carnality IN THEMSELVES -
It is written that:
(a) God breathed [H5301](a puff of Wind, aka Air) the breath [H5397] of LIFE [H2416] air into the nostrils of the man He had created, and Adam became a LIVING [H2416] air breathing being, Heb. "nephesh"- animal life, being- soul.

KJV Gen. 2:7
[7]And the LORD H3068 God H430 formed H3335 man H120 of the dust H6083 of H4480 the ground, H127 and breathed H5301 into his nostrils H639 the breath H5397 of life; H2416 and man H120 became a living H2416 soul. H5315

The correct view of all cellular living beings of carnality is: God breathed "a puff" that is "wind", aka Oxygenated air into all the land creatures that He created. Gen. 7:22.

 

[Earburner]

One last point! It's absolutely ridiculous to believe that Christ, Who is God, would say he is not good since He is God!

If you had read my post #105 and discerned it, you wouldn't be stating your misunderstanding, in regards to Jesus' status of when he WAS "the Son of God" and when he BECAME "the son of man".

 

[ewq1938]

 Edit: Lev. 17[11] For the life of the flesh IS IN the blood:....
Q. What is it that is in the blood?
A. Oxygen.

It's just saying the life of flesh is the blood, not speaking to the contents of blood. There's far more in blood that we need to live than just oxygen.

 

[Earburner]

It's just saying the life of flesh is the blood, not speaking to the contents of blood. There's far more in blood that we need to live than just oxygen.

So now you think that I should say that God breathed the breath of life (blood) into the nostrils of Adam, and not Oxygenated AIR?? Lol.

As for God's creation of Adam, it was for darn sure not by the Pagan belief of God giving him an Immortal Eternal Soul.
Adam became a living soul,....he didn't receive a soul,...eternal or mortal.

https://www.ucg.org/learn/bible-study-tools/bible-study-aids/what-happens-after-death/history-immortal-soul-teaching

Though Moses grew up among those who had the engineering skills to build Pyramids, etc., the knowledge of medical/technical skills would not be discovered until far into the future, even past the ignorance and beginnings of the RCC.

Moses was no Phsycian, Biologist or Chemist.
Such knowledge of what the atmosphere (Air) consisted of, was NOT known until 1774 AD by Joseph Priestly.

https://www.acs.org/education/whatischemistry/landmarks/josephpriestleyoxygen.html#about-joseph-priestley

 

[ewq1938]

Adam became a living soul,....he didn't receive a soul,...eternal or mortal.

Adam was a soul and also received a soul and spirit as a human is body, soul and spirit. Soul has two meanings.

1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Earburner]

Adam was a soul and also received a soul and spirit as a human is body, soul and spirit. Soul has two meanings.

1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

In 1 Thes. 5:23, Paul was speaking to saved born again Christians, not unsaved people who did not HAVE the Holy Spirit.

While Adam was in the Garden he was NOT an eternally saved soul at any time. He was simply a created mortal being, having only innocence, with no knowledge of good or evil, until the day he ate of the "Tree of the knowledge of good and evil".

Do what you want with KJV 1Thes. 5:23.
In your determination to prove that man was given an Immortal Eternal Soul by God, all that you are proving is that paganism is truth, and not Christ.

1 Thessalonians 5:23
[23]And G1161 the very G846 God G2316 of peace G1515 sanctify G37 you G5209 wholly; G3651 and G2532 I pray God your G5216 whole G3648 spirit G4151 and G2532 soul G5590 and G2532 body G4983 be preserved G5083 blameless G274 unto G1722 the coming G3952 of our G2257 Lord G2962 Jesus G2424 Christ. G5547

"spirit" G4151
Strong's Number - G4151
Greek: πνεῦμα
Transliteration: pneuma
Pronunciation: pnyoo'-mah
Definition: From G4154; a current of air that is breath (blast) or a breeze [Acts 2:2];
by analogy or figuratively a spirit that is (human) the rational soul (by implication) vital principle mental disposition etc. or (superhuman) an angel daemon or (divine) God Christ´s spirit the Holy spirit : - ghost life spirit (-ual -ually) mind. Compare G5590 .
KJV Usage: Spirit (111x), Holy Ghost (89x), Spirit (of God) (13x), Spirit (of the Lord) (5x), (My) Spirit (3x), Spirit (of truth) (3x), Spirit (of Christ) (2x), human (spirit) (49x), (evil) spirit (47x), spirit (general) (26x), spirit (8x), (Jesus' own) spirit (6x), (Jesus' own) ghost (2x), misc (21x).
Occurs: 385. [See Acts 2:2]
In verses: 350

"soul" G5590 [Hebrew H5315- "nephesh"- animal life] Gen. 2:7.
Strong's Number - G5590
Greek: ψυχή
Transliteration: psuchē
Pronunciation: psoo-khay'
Definition: From G5594; breath that is **by implication- spirit abstractly or concretely the animal sentient principle only;
thus distinguished on the one hand from G4151 **which is the rational and **immortal soul; and on the other hand from G2222 which is mere vitality even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew [H5315] [H7307] and [H2416]: - heart (+ -ily) life mind soul + us + you.
KJV Usage: soul (58x), life (40x), mind (3x), heart (1x), heartily (with G1537) (1x), not tr (2x).
Occurs: 105
In verses: 95
**My comment on the above:
There is no such thing as an Immortal soul. Such a thought is only being implied by Strongs.
The concept of an "immortal, eternally living soul" is from Paganism, as I have shown in post #118. Thousands of years ago, that false concept has been deceptively applied to Christian understanding and traditions by the Roman Catholic Church.

"body" G4983
Strong's Number - G4983
Greek: σῶμα
Transliteration: sōma
Pronunciation: so'-mah
Definition: From G4982; the body (as a sound whole) used in a very wide application literally or figuratively: - bodily body slave.
KJV Usage: body (144x), bodily (1x), slave (1x).
Occurs: 146
In verses: 122