Hellfire and brimstone has given way to eternal separation from God. - Why?

[Lambano]

Sounds like a biblical NDE. - LOL
He wasn't dead, obviously.

Sounds like death is analogous to being swallowed by a big fish.

Here's a guy who allegedly got swallowed by a whale and survived, though the gastric juices did a number on him. Read about it in Ripley's Believe It, Or Not as a child.

 

[St. SteVen]

Sounds like death is analogous to being swallowed by a big fish.

Now there's a terrifying thought. - LOL

"Going through a tunnel, wait it's a fish! - Agh..."

 

[saved by grace 101]

Sounds like a biblical NDE. - LOL
He wasn't dead, obviously.

So those who are alive can be in the realm of the dead? Didn't you tell me that phrase refers to the place people go when they die? Or maybe it was someone else

 

[St. SteVen]

So those who are alive can be in the realm of the dead? Didn't you tell me that phrase refers to the place people go when they die? Or maybe it was someone else

Death isn't absolute.
Physical death is, but we continue to live in the afterlife.

 

[saved by grace 101]

Death isn't absolute.
Physical death is, but we continue to live in the afterlife.

On that we agree. However, are people alive to this earth when they are in the realm of the dead?

 

[St. SteVen]

On that we agree. However, are people alive to this earth when they are in the realm of the dead?

Yes. We are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses.

 

[saved by grace 101]

Yes. We are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses.

So you believe those who have physical life on earth can be in what the bible terms the realm of the dead?

 

[St. SteVen]

So you believe those who have physical life on earth can be in what the bible terms the realm of the dead?

No.
To be in the ream of the dead (Sheol/the Grave) you have to be dead physically.

 

[saved by grace 101]

No.
To be in the ream of the dead (Sheol/the Grave) you have to be dead physically.

Jonah said he cried out to the Lord from deep in the realm of the dead

 

[St. SteVen]

Jonah said he cried out to the Lord from deep in the realm of the dead

Poetic license.
David did the same.

 

[saved by grace 101]

Poetic license.
David did the same.

Well of course you can look at it that way, as you can believe Jonah lived three days in a big fish

 

[saved by grace 101]

Poetic license.
David did the same.

Im sure Aunty Jane will be pleased with your response

 

[St. SteVen]

Well of course you can look at it that way, as you can believe Jonah lived three days in a big fish

Is there any biblical support for the idea?
If Jonah was resurrected from a fish, there should something.

I suppose you could make a case with Jesus' resurrection?
Like Jonah, He was three days in the heart of the earth (the realm of the dead).

Im sure Aunty Jane will be pleased with your response

She believes the dead are unconscious and nonexistent.
Why would she be pleased with my response?

 

[saved by grace 101]

Is there any biblical support for the idea?
If Jonah was resurrected from a fish, there should something.

I suppose you could make a case with Jesus' resurrection?
Like Jonah, He was three days in the heart of the earth (the realm of the dead).


She believes the dead are unconscious and nonexistent.
Why would she be pleased with my response?

She would be pleased with your response, because if you agreed with what is actually written and said Jonah was not physically alive when he cried out to God from the realm of the dead , it proves what we both believe, you have consciousness in the realm of the dead.
I don't think I want to discuss this further, it wouldnt matter what I said or quoted you may say it cannot be taken literally

 

[quietthinker]

The belief that life continues after death of the body, is full of conjecture and contradiction.

The danger of embracing this belief is that Satan can and does use it to deceive. Spiritualism is none other than folk thinking they are contacting the departed dead when in fact it is demons 'toying' with them.

We are yet to witness an explosion in this phenomena and deceptions in the near future and many will be drawn in by putting their trust in what these apparitions (demons) tell them.

 

[St. SteVen]

The belief that life continues after death of the body, is full of conjecture and contradiction.

The danger of embracing this belief is that Satan can and does use it to deceive. Spiritualism is none other than folk thinking they are contacting the departed dead when in fact it is demons 'toying' with them.

We are yet to witness an explosion in this phenomena and deceptions in the near future and many will be drawn in by putting their trust in what these apparitions (demons) tell them.

If Satan is only capable of counterfeiting, what is being counterfeited? (the real)

 

[quietthinker]

If Satan is only capable of counterfeiting, what is being counterfeited? (the real)

Demon present themselves as people who have died. They propagate theories which inevitably divert from the Saviour, even denigrate him.
The story of 'Samuel' appearing to Saul is one such account of demons manifesting as the departed dead.
It is also for this reason that witchcraft was forbidden on pain of death.

Because the sensual manifestation(vision and sound) is identical to the person who has died, it is believed to be the person without question.
For those whose paradigm accepts (approves) that the dead are not really dead, this will be an overwhelming deception.

 

[ProDeo]

An idol worshipping gentile? Where do you get that from?

Joz 24:2 And Joshua said to all the people, “Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, ‘Long ago, your fathers lived beyond the Euphrates, Terah, the father of Abraham and of Nahor; and they served other gods.

 

[ProDeo]

The Jews were never taught about an immortal soul that exits the body at death and flies off to one of two destinations....

They were told :

Dan 12:2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

 

[TazzJazz]

...no further reward...

"no further reward"? Everlasting life, on a Paradise Earth with peace everywhere (Isaiah 11:9), will be awesome!! This is "the gift God gives... through Christ". -- Romans 6:23; see Revelation 21:3,4

Best wishes.