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A follow-up to previous topics.

Does questioning Christianity lead to Atheism? (depends)




Plundering my religious upbringing - The desert island question

Having looked into deconstruction, and asked myself the tough questions, I have settled on a Deconstruction Lite approach.

I consider myself to be a recovering Evangelical. Many things I was taught, being raised evangelical have come into question.

Like:
- The Hell doctrine
- The origins and nature of the Bible
- Evangelical Apologetics
- Spiritual Gifts
- The church's response to LGBT issues

I attend a Pentecostal church, but the Pastor is very evangelical.
I understand where he is coming from and honestly love the guy.
It's a great church and wonderful people. The worship experience is top notch. IMHO
I value my church membership. But I understand why so many don't attend.

I keep a lid on my thoughts toward evangelicalism when I am at church.
In a small group setting I may ask some challenging questions.
Which makes most folks rather uncomfortable. But some understand.

On the forum I am able to speak out about these things. I appreciate that.
Do others find themselves in a similar position?

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Is there anything in the Bible you believe to be God's written Word, stevie? Anything???
 
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Is there anything in the Bible you believe to be God's written Word
These are a safe bet.

  1. Genesis 15:1

    The Lord’s Covenant With Abram​

    After this, the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision: “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your very great reward.”

  2. Genesis 15:4
    Then the word of the Lord came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son who is your own flesh and blood will be your heir.”

  3. 1 Samuel 15:10
    Then the word of the Lord came to Samuel:

  4. 2 Samuel 7:4
    But that night the word of the Lord came to Nathan, saying:

  5. 1 Kings 6:11
    The word of the Lord came to Solomon:

  6. 1 Kings 13:1

    The Man of God From Judah​

    By the word of the Lord a man of God came from Judah to Bethel, as Jeroboam was standing by the altar to make an offering.

  7. 1 Kings 13:9
    For I was commanded by the word of the Lord: ‘You must not eat bread or drink water or return by the way you came.’”

  8. 1 Kings 13:17
    I have been told by the word of the Lord: ‘You must not eat bread or drink water there or return by the way you came.’”

  9. 1 Kings 13:20
    While they were sitting at the table, the word of the Lord came to the old prophet who had brought him back.

  10. 1 Kings 16:1
    Then the word of the Lord came to Jehu son of Hanani concerning Baasha:

  11. 1 Kings 16:7
    Moreover, the word of the Lord came through the prophet Jehu son of Hanani to Baasha and his house, because of all the evil he had done in the eyes of the Lord, arousing his anger by the things he did, becoming like the house of Jeroboam—and also because he destroyed it.

  12. 1 Kings 17:2

    Elijah Fed by Ravens​

    Then the word of the Lord came to Elijah:

  13. 1 Kings 17:8
    Then the word of the Lord came to him:

  14. 1 Kings 18:1

    Elijah and Obadiah​

    After a long time, in the third year, the word of the Lord came to Elijah: “Go and present yourself to Ahab, and I will send rain on the land.”

  15. 1 Kings 19:9
    There he went into a cave and spent the night.

    The Lord Appears to Elijah​

    And the word of the Lord came to him: “What are you doing here, Elijah?”

  16. 1 Kings 21:17
    Then the word of the Lord came to Elijah the Tishbite:

  17. 1 Kings 21:28
    Then the word of the Lord came to Elijah the Tishbite:

  18. 2 Kings 10:17
    When Jehu came to Samaria, he killed all who were left there of Ahab’s family; he destroyed them, according to the word of the Lord spoken to Elijah.

  19. 2 Kings 20:4
    Before Isaiah had left the middle court, the word of the Lord came to him:

  20. 1 Chronicles 22:8
    But this word of the Lord came to me: ‘You have shed much blood and have fought many wars. You are not to build a house for my Name, because you have shed much blood on the earth in my sight.

  21. 2 Chronicles 11:2
    But this word of the Lord came to Shemaiah the man of God:

  22. 2 Chronicles 12:7
    When the Lord saw that they humbled themselves, this word of the Lord came to Shemaiah: “Since they have humbled themselves, I will not destroy them but will soon give them deliverance. My wrath will not be poured out on Jerusalem through Shishak.

  23. Psalm 105:19
    till what he foretold came to pass, till the word of the Lord proved him true.

  24. Isaiah 38:4
    Then the word of the Lord came to Isaiah:

  25. Isaiah 66:2
    Has not my hand made all these things, and so they came into being?” declares the Lord. “These are the ones I look on with favor: those who are humble and contrite in spirit, and who tremble at my word.
 

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These are a safe bet.

  1. Genesis 15:1

    The Lord’s Covenant With Abram​

    After this, the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision: “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your very great reward.”

  2. Genesis 15:4
    Then the word of the Lord came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son who is your own flesh and blood will be your heir.”

  3. 1 Samuel 15:10
    Then the word of the Lord came to Samuel:

  4. 2 Samuel 7:4
    But that night the word of the Lord came to Nathan, saying:

  5. 1 Kings 6:11
    The word of the Lord came to Solomon:

  6. 1 Kings 13:1

    The Man of God From Judah​

    By the word of the Lord a man of God came from Judah to Bethel, as Jeroboam was standing by the altar to make an offering.

  7. 1 Kings 13:9
    For I was commanded by the word of the Lord: ‘You must not eat bread or drink water or return by the way you came.’”

  8. 1 Kings 13:17
    I have been told by the word of the Lord: ‘You must not eat bread or drink water there or return by the way you came.’”

  9. 1 Kings 13:20
    While they were sitting at the table, the word of the Lord came to the old prophet who had brought him back.

  10. 1 Kings 16:1
    Then the word of the Lord came to Jehu son of Hanani concerning Baasha:

  11. 1 Kings 16:7
    Moreover, the word of the Lord came through the prophet Jehu son of Hanani to Baasha and his house, because of all the evil he had done in the eyes of the Lord, arousing his anger by the things he did, becoming like the house of Jeroboam—and also because he destroyed it.

  12. 1 Kings 17:2

    Elijah Fed by Ravens​

    Then the word of the Lord came to Elijah:

  13. 1 Kings 17:8
    Then the word of the Lord came to him:

  14. 1 Kings 18:1

    Elijah and Obadiah​

    After a long time, in the third year, the word of the Lord came to Elijah: “Go and present yourself to Ahab, and I will send rain on the land.”

  15. 1 Kings 19:9
    There he went into a cave and spent the night.

    The Lord Appears to Elijah​

    And the word of the Lord came to him: “What are you doing here, Elijah?”

  16. 1 Kings 21:17
    Then the word of the Lord came to Elijah the Tishbite:

  17. 1 Kings 21:28
    Then the word of the Lord came to Elijah the Tishbite:

  18. 2 Kings 10:17
    When Jehu came to Samaria, he killed all who were left there of Ahab’s family; he destroyed them, according to the word of the Lord spoken to Elijah.

  19. 2 Kings 20:4
    Before Isaiah had left the middle court, the word of the Lord came to him:

  20. 1 Chronicles 22:8
    But this word of the Lord came to me: ‘You have shed much blood and have fought many wars. You are not to build a house for my Name, because you have shed much blood on the earth in my sight.

  21. 2 Chronicles 11:2
    But this word of the Lord came to Shemaiah the man of God:

  22. 2 Chronicles 12:7
    When the Lord saw that they humbled themselves, this word of the Lord came to Shemaiah: “Since they have humbled themselves, I will not destroy them but will soon give them deliverance. My wrath will not be poured out on Jerusalem through Shishak.

  23. Psalm 105:19
    till what he foretold came to pass, till the word of the Lord proved him true.

  24. Isaiah 38:4
    Then the word of the Lord came to Isaiah:

  25. Isaiah 66:2
    Has not my hand made all these things, and so they came into being?” declares the Lord. “These are the ones I look on with favor: those who are humble and contrite in spirit, and who tremble at my word.
A safe bet? lol

Notice how Stevie DODGED my simple question!

Let's try again Stevie: Is there anything in the Bible you believe to be God's written Word
 
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The written word of God:

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Exodus 31:18: When He had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written by the finger of God.

Everything else is technically just hearsay. Prophets and apostles allegedly heard it and wrote it down.
 

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The written word of God:

iu

Exodus 31:18: When He had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written by the finger of God.

Everything else is technically just hearsay. Prophets and apostles allegedly heard it and wrote it down.
Then what happened?
Moses was the first one to break ALL the Commandments. - LOL
The TCs in the Ark of the Covenant were written by the hand of Moses.
Not sure if that makes them hearsay. ???

Exodus 32:15-16, 19 NIV
Moses turned and went down the mountain with the two tablets of the covenant law in his hands.
They were inscribed on both sides, front and back.
16 The tablets were the work of God; the writing was the writing of God, engraved on the tablets. ...
19 When Moses approached the camp and saw the calf and the dancing,
his anger burned and he threw the tablets out of his hands,
breaking them to pieces at the foot of the mountain.

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Then what happened?
Moses was the first one to break ALL the Commandments. - LOL
The TCs in the Ark of the Covenant were written by the hand of Moses.
Not sure if that makes them hearsay. ???

Exodus 32:15-16, 19 NIV
Moses turned and went down the mountain with the two tablets of the covenant law in his hands.
They were inscribed on both sides, front and back.
16 The tablets were the work of God; the writing was the writing of God, engraved on the tablets. ...
19 When Moses approached the camp and saw the calf and the dancing,
his anger burned and he threw the tablets out of his hands,
breaking them to pieces at the foot of the mountain.

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Is attacking the Bible the only reason you're here?
 

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Then what happened?
Moses was the first one to break ALL the Commandments. - LOL
The TCs in the Ark of the Covenant were written by the hand of Moses.
Not sure if that makes them hearsay. ???

Exodus 32:15-16, 19 NIV
Moses turned and went down the mountain with the two tablets of the covenant law in his hands.
They were inscribed on both sides, front and back.
16 The tablets were the work of God; the writing was the writing of God, engraved on the tablets. ...
19 When Moses approached the camp and saw the calf and the dancing,
his anger burned and he threw the tablets out of his hands,
breaking them to pieces at the foot of the mountain.

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All 10 Commandments at once. That got a chuckle out of me.

I figured we'd get at least one freak-out if I said "hearsay". People should understand that "hearsay" evidence is admissible under certain conditions. Check your local expert in The Law.

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Deconstruction is a good principle in the face of and because of much that is learned/ programmed misses the mark. The multiple combinations of what has integrity and what doesn't is in our faces all through our lives.
That being said, the deconstruction process is also a precarious business. It is easy to dismantle one view for another only to swap the witch for the bitch......and who can hear/ learn that which does not fade or gather dust?
 
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Deconstruction is a good principle in the face of and because of much that is learned/ programmed misses the mark. The multiple combinations of what has integrity and what doesn't is in our faces all through our lives.
That being said, the deconstruction process is also a precarious business. It is easy to dismantle one view for another only to swap the witch for the bitch......and who can hear/ learn that which does not fade or gather dust?
Right.
I suppose there's no perfect solution.
But one thing is for sure, the old way wasn't working for me.

I'm thinking back to my sister-in-law that rocked the family with her declaration,
"I can't believe in a God that would send people to hell."
Which we took to mean she was an atheist.

Now I realize that I believe the same thing.
"I can't believe in a God that would send people to hell."


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I have a very very interesting audio presentation (mp3) by Ty Gibson I would like to share with you Steven. I have tried to post it to this forum but it wont accept the upload. Do you have another means of it reaching you?
 

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I have a very very interesting audio presentation (mp3) by Ty Gibson I would like to share with you Steven. I have tried to post it to this forum but it wont accept the upload. Do you have another means of it reaching you?
I'll send you a PM.

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Deconstruction Lite - (light?)​


A follow-up to previous topics.

Does questioning Christianity lead to Atheism? (depends)




Plundering my religious upbringing - The desert island question

Having looked into deconstruction, and asked myself the tough questions, I have settled on a Deconstruction Lite approach.

I consider myself to be a recovering Evangelical. Many things I was taught, being raised evangelical have come into question.

Like:
- The Hell doctrine
- The origins and nature of the Bible
- Evangelical Apologetics
- Spiritual Gifts
- The church's response to LGBT issues

On the forum I am able to speak out about these things. I appreciate that.
Do others find themselves in a similar position?
 

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Deconstruction Lite - (light?)​


A follow-up to previous topics.

Does questioning Christianity lead to Atheism? (depends)




Plundering my religious upbringing - The desert island question

Having looked into deconstruction, and asked myself the tough questions, I have settled on a Deconstruction Lite approach.

I consider myself to be a recovering Evangelical. Many things I was taught, being raised evangelical have come into question.

Like:
- The Hell doctrine
- The origins and nature of the Bible
- Evangelical Apologetics
- Spiritual Gifts
- The church's response to LGBT issues

On the forum I am able to speak out about these things. I appreciate that.
Do others find themselves in a similar position?
Deconstruction is a phenomena occurring in many individuals in all cultures.
People are raised with certain views and at some time in their lives these things are questioned.
The 60's hippie movement was non other than a deconstruction phenomena.
 
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Deconstruction Lite - (light?)​


A follow-up to previous topics.

Does questioning Christianity lead to Atheism? (depends)




Plundering my religious upbringing - The desert island question

Having looked into deconstruction, and asked myself the tough questions, I have settled on a Deconstruction Lite approach.

I consider myself to be a recovering Evangelical. Many things I was taught, being raised evangelical have come into question.

Like:
- The Hell doctrine
- The origins and nature of the Bible
- Evangelical Apologetics
- Spiritual Gifts
- The church's response to LGBT issues

On the forum I am able to speak out about these things. I appreciate that.
Do others find themselves in a similar position?
Thank you for the post.

About your list: is there a common theme or something fundamental tying them together?

Blessings.
 
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