"Before Abraham Was, I AM"

[XtraPercept]

But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. John16:13

But only those who follow the guidance will actually be led into the truth to which He guides.

Feeling condemned?

Could it be that someone hasn't been following that guidance?

 

[XtraPercept]

The later times souds to me like about 200 years ago.

'In the end times there will be antichrists,' the Apostle wrote, 'and indeed they're already here.'

That was 2000 years ago, give or take.

 

[amigo de christo]

He said: JUST AS you are in me and I am in you may they(believers) also be in us
How can believers be in Father and Son?

Get this people out of anything that is in any way connected to ecumenialism . I just cannot stress this enough .
Oh , but to answer your question
IN the beginning was THE WORD
the WORD was with GOD and the WORD was GOD . That is how they can be IN THE FATHER AND THE SON .
Hope that encouraged you . OH but dont forget , GET this people far from anything ecumenical and do so fast .

 

[amigo de christo]

'In the end times there will be antichrists,' the Apostle wrote, 'and indeed they're already here.'

That was 2000 years ago, give or take.

and many are there . GET this people outta of that which is of anti christ ecumenicalism .
Get them out of there . no commn ground has Christ with anti christ
Get them OUT .

 

[JustMe]

Nice try – but I’m not susceptible to reverse psychological tricks. You won’t start a thread because you don’t have the ammunition.

Like I said – you’re new here, so you don’t understand why I’m here - NOT to pick fights or starts threads.
I’ve explained on many occasions that I am here SOLELY to dispel myths and blatant lies about the Catholic Church vomited out by hateful or otherwise ignorant anti-Catholics.
You’re like cowardly dive bombers who shoot and fly away . . .

So what do you know about God, our Creator?
Are you a 'Christian' first or a Roman Catholic? And I did mean Roman Catholic and not Catholic, deliberately.

 

[XtraPercept]

and many are there . GET this people outta of that which is of anti christ ecumenicalism .
Get them out of there . no commn ground has Christ with anti christ
Get them OUT .

This word, ecumenical, would you be willing to talk about it with me?

Just a brief discussion, as it is not something from the Bible, so meanings can be muddy.

And if you're going to call me that, I'd like to understand why.

 

[saved by grace 101]

Nice try – but I’m not susceptible to reverse psychological tricks. You won’t start a thread because you don’t have the ammunition.

Well you'll never know will you, as you are not confident enough to start a thread and lay out your churches belief on the subject

 

[amigo de christo]

This word, ecumenical, would you be willing to talk about it with me?

Yes . If anyone in anway is connected to this movement , GET OUT of it .
And as with any word , even love , satan knows how to twist .
G et this people out of any place
you hear talk about finding common ground
talks about bridge builders
Talks about healing the wound
THEY are already being led to the lie . some have already b oug ht into it
AND SOON all within it will have boug ht it and be damned .
GET THEM OUT .
Flee anything in any way connected to the NAR realm and the RCC .
Flee churches that non stop talk about love and YET will not expose and correct sin and error .
Get out of any place that unrightly divided the judge not and made it into a means to CORRECT NOT .
Get out of any place connected in any way to the PURPOSE driven life .
Man t his list is gon na be far too long to type .
GET THIS PEOPLE back INTO THE BIBLE
and never heed anyone who says YE need to know greek or etc
to be able to learn it .
Re ad it for yourself and with others .

 

[JustMe]

Do you believe the Holy Spirit is the Father? The Bible teaches that both the Father and the Holy Spirit are in Christ, although it was the Son who was incarnate:

How about this, that at Yeshua's anointing, the Spirit and word of God, his Father, his divine presence, the so-called 'godhead,' entered into his Son's spirit and mind. They thus at that point forward, began to work as if they were One, one Spirit, although still two spirits, one human spirit empowered by the divine Spirit of his Father.

 

[saved by grace 101]

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Which he spoke to the disciples, the outcome of which is the Bible. So that is rather a circular argument.


Yes, this is speaking of worldly wisdom, which leads to foolishness (Rom. 1:22). The Bible says much about godly wisdom. Why does Paul tell us to use wisdom and to walk in wisdom?

Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God.

Col 4:5 Walk in wisdom toward outsiders, making the best use of the time.


Why do you think that James tells us to pray for wisdom from God and to be wise?

Jas 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him.

Jas 3:13 Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom.

Jas 3:17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere.


Could Paul and James say those things because of what Jesus said?

Mat 22:37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.


Christians are supposed to fully engage their minds in the reading and understanding of Scripture, with the help of the Holy Spirit. We are never to simply "rely on the Holy Spirit." God gave us minds for a reason, being created in his image--he will never bypass our minds, as he fully expects us to use them.

That is also why Paul made it his custom to reason with the Jews on the Sabbath (Acts 17:2, 17; 18:4, 19; 19:8-9; 24:25). Reasoning is to use logic and argument to try and persuade. It is what all believers are to do:

1Pe 3:15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,


So, where does the Bible teach that studying and "relying on his academic mind to learn is a waste of time," and that all we need to do is "humbly [rely] on the Holy Spirit" to be led into truth? Where are those made mutually exclusive?

Of course, this is all off-topic from what you said and I responded with: "Before Abraham Was, I AM"

Why not rejoice in the fact what you can learn is nothing of you but everything of the Spirit in you, then you can give God all the glory. I would say that is good theology, wouldn't you?

 

[XtraPercept]

Yes . If anyone in anway is connected to this movement , GET OUT of it .
And as with any word , even love , satan knows how to twist .
G et this people out of any place
you hear talk about finding common ground
talks about bridge builders
Talks about healing the wound
THEY are already being led to the lie . some have already b oug ht into it
AND SOON all within it will have boug ht it and be damned .
GET THEM OUT .
Flee anything in any way connected to the NAR realm and the RCC .
Flee churches that non stop talk about love and YET will not expose and correct sin and error .
Get out of any place that unrightly divided the judge not and made it into a means to CORRECT NOT .
Get out of any place connected in any way to the PURPOSE driven life .
Man t his list is gon na be far too long to type .
GET THIS PEOPLE back INTO THE BIBLE
and never heed anyone who says YE need to know greek or etc
to be able to learn it .
Re ad it for yourself and with others .

So... Why are you calling me "ecumenical" when I preach a faith more singular than the "triune" variant you've been on about?

Why would you imply that I have said one must know Greek?

I never said people need to know it, I like to because I'm all about meaning and it is my joy and pleasure to share.

I just love the Word; He's my only true passion.

 

[saved by grace 101]

Why would you imply that I have said one must know Greek?

Indeed, as a well known evangelist once said:
Many like to read the bible through the Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic, I like to read mine through the Holy Spirit
Im sure he can work with any reputable translation, if we are sincerely seeking His guidance to understand

 

[XtraPercept]

Indeed, as a well known evangelist once said:
Many like to read the bible through the Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic, I like to read mine through the Holy Spirit
Im sure he can work with any reputable translation, if we are sincerely seeking His guidance to understand

You think you can read without Him?

That's why you don't know what I mean.

 

[saved by grace 101]

You think you can read without Him?

What are you talking about? Surely you don't mean the Holy Spirit, Ive been emphasising only he can lead us into truth

 

[XtraPercept]

What are you talking about? Surely you don't mean the Holy Spirit, Ive been emphasising only he can lead us into truth

That you believe you can do anything without God is your error.

 

[saved by grace 101]

That you believe you can do anything without God is your error.

How do you know I think that?

 

[XtraPercept]

How do you know I think that?

Because you think it is possible to read in His absence.

Just because you aren't asking Him what He thinks doesn't mean He doesn't see what you are reading and what you are thinking about it.

 

[saved by grace 101]

Because you think it is possible to read in His absence.

Well I could read, but I wouldn't understand
Would you say someone who much criticises other christians walk is being led of the Holy Spirit to do so? Or could it be a case of something else?

 

[XtraPercept]

Well I could read, but I wouldn't understand

Who is to blame for that?

 

[saved by grace 101]

Who is to blame for that?

Well speaking personally, every day when I open my bible I pray the Holy Spirit will reveal the truth of what I am reading to me
Is that something you feel the need to criticise?