Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

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And that is a blatant straw man which you cannot demonstrate.

Indeed he was. But while he ostensibly is upholding the law of Moses, you, who claim to follow Paul's writings, claim the sabbath as obsolete because it is a part of the law of Moses. You are all over the place and your arguments are as flat as last week's road kill. You are confused and presumptuous and still do not have the courage to state openly that you believe it not necessary to obey God. And you completely ignore posts you have no answer to.
I appreciate your tone is to try and deflect from the hopeless position you are in, and you copied ''your all over the place'' remark from me!
You only follow a set Saturday sabbath because your law is carried around in a phone or tablet as you testified to.
Try to refrain from bearing false witness. Produce a statement of mine where I stated the fourth commandment is part of the law of Moses?
And there’s no strawman. I’ve already proved if you and your denomination are correct the first century church leaders gave gentile converts a licence to sin for their whole lives.



If you knew someone who claimed to be a Christian but lived a lifestyle of committing adultery, being a habitual thief, constantly lying about others and taking the Lords name in vain, you would say they could not be in a justified state wouldn’t you, as in you say the righteous obey the TC. So why accept people as Christians who do not follow the letter of the fourth one? Is that one trivial in your view? You obviously make exceptions to your statement the righteous will obey the TC

You only believe you should obey the fourth commandment as written because you read of law written in ink, that isn’t where the law now is for the believer! If that law had been written in your heart by the Spirit you would have known that without having to firstly read of law written in ink.
 
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And that is a blatant straw man which you cannot demonstrate.

Indeed he was. But while he ostensibly is upholding the law of Moses, you, who claim to follow Paul's writings, claim the sabbath as obsolete because it is a part of the law of Moses. You are all over the place and your arguments are as flat as last week's road kill. You are confused and presumptuous and still do not have the courage to state openly that you believe it not necessary to obey God. And you completely ignore posts you have no answer to.
Paul tells us we either follow after the law or the Holy Spirit in Rom7:6. I have told you before, you backed the wrong horse so speak

The Holy Spirit is the convictor of sin, which I why I imagine I could go to a church on a Saturday and be literally shocked and stunned to see people laughing and joking as they transgressed the TC they insisted must be obeyed. I immediatley felt uneasy in that church. So in truth, who really cares more as to what is written in those laws?

The Holy Spirit guides us into truth. You have an OC mindset:

You MUST obey the TC

Under the new covenant, it is a case of, you WANT in your heart to obey, see the difference?


And I repeat, because you judge justification according to obedience to the letter that kills the ministry of death and condemnation you cannot practice what you preach/insist of others. I could not do that, my conscience wouldn’t allow it
 

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And that is a blatant straw man which you cannot demonstrate.

Indeed he was. But while he ostensibly is upholding the law of Moses, you, who claim to follow Paul's writings, claim the sabbath as obsolete because it is a part of the law of Moses. You are all over the place and your arguments are as flat as last week's road kill. You are confused and presumptuous and still do not have the courage to state openly that you believe it not necessary to obey God. And you completely ignore posts you have no answer to.
New covenant, Paul referred to the following as ''disputable matters'' In other words, you can take whichever view you like:

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind Rom14:5

I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. Verse14

Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. ALL(ALL) food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. Verse20
 

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I am a Theologian and a historian, you have to be both to understand the scriptures or people will make the same mistake you have.....You have to keep things in perspective of time periods and the sequence of events. Yeshua was still observing the Law and the Sabbath because they were still in the Old Covenant during His ministry.

The Jewish-Christians were still observing the Law and worshipping in the Temple. They did not recognize the changes to the New Covenant. So Yeshua instructed Paul and sent him on a ministry. You notice they do not say anything against polygamy and concubinage. They died out around the end of the 1st century....No Apostles were added after they died out.

The Gentile-Christians were not allowed in the Temple and did not observe the Sabbath or the Mosaic Laws and soon started to worship on Sunday the day that Yeshua resurrected instead of the Jewish Saturday Sabbath. They discontinued polygamy and concubinage. And we eventually stopped slavery and we are working on making females equal members in Christianity and allowing them to preach.

The question of Sabbath observance in the earliest Christian communities has long been complicated by later theological developments, ecclesiastical politics and anachronistic assumptions about first-century Judaism. A careful reading of the New Testament, combined with early Jewish-Christian history and patristic evidence, reveals a far different picture from the simplified narrative that Jesus kept the Sabbath only because the Old Covenant was still in force, that Jewish Christians failed to understand the arrival of the New Covenant, and that Gentile Christians immediately abandoned the Sabbath for Sunday worship. The historical materials demonstrate that Jesus’ own self-understanding, the consistent practice of His disciples and the testimony of the earliest Christian congregations all point toward continuity of Sabbath observance in both Jewish and Gentile Christian communities long after the resurrection.

Jesus’ actions during His ministry cannot be reduced to the observation that He kept Sabbath merely because He lived under an older covenantal arrangement. His own words exhibit sovereign authority rather than transitional compliance. When He declared that “the Son of man is lord of the sabbath” (ASV, Matthew 12:8), He was not disclaiming the Sabbath but asserting dominion over it. His repeated healings on the Sabbath, His public teaching on the Sabbath and His pattern of synagogue attendance, described succinctly in Luke’s statement that “as his custom was, he entered into the synagogue on the sabbath day” (ASV, Luke 4:16), demonstrate purposeful engagement rather than reluctant adherence. Jesus’ controversies with the Pharisees consistently affirmed the original meaning of the Sabbath as beneficent rest and restoration, never as a disposable, soon-to-be-abolished institution. His authoritative reinterpretation aligns with the prophetic tradition, not with a rejection of the commandment.

The earliest Jerusalem followers of Jesus—led by James, Peter and John—were not theologically confused remnants of an obsolete Jewish era. Contemporary historical sources refute the claim that they failed to perceive the implications of the New Covenant. Eusebius of Caesarea, writing in the early fourth century yet drawing heavily on first and second-century sources, notes that the Jerusalem church under James comprised a fully Christian community that nevertheless continued to participate in the Temple’s life until its destruction in 70 CE (Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History 2.23; 3.5). Josephus, a first-century priest and historian, refers to James “the brother of Jesus who is called Christ” (Antiquities20.200), confirming the visibility of this community. Far from dying out due to theological error, the Jerusalem believers were scattered or killed during the Roman war, with no historical evidence that their theology caused their disappearance.

The claim that Gentile Christians refused Sabbath observance from the beginning contradicts both scriptural testimony and the historical record. Gentile participation in Sabbath synagogue gatherings is explicit in Acts: “And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded Jews and Greeks” (ASV, Acts 18:4). These “Greeks” were Gentile adherents engaged in Sabbath worship alongside Jews. This pattern continues through the first centuries, long after the destruction of the Temple. The fourth and fifth-century historians Socrates Scholasticus and Sozomen, drawing on broad ecclesiastical traditions, state unequivocally that Sabbath observance was widespread among Christian congregations. Socrates writes that “almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the Sabbath” (Ecclesiastical History 5.22), while Sozomen affirms that believers “assemble together on the Sabbath” throughout the empire (Ecclesiastical History 7.19). These testimonies refer to Gentile-majority churches in Constantinople, Asia Minor and the wider Mediterranean world, not to residual Jewish-Christian sects.

The development of Sunday worship occurred gradually and did not originate from Jesus or His disciples. There is no statement from Jesus blessing the first day of the week or instituting it as a sacred time. The resurrection, though central to Christian faith, was never transformed by Jesus into a weekly command. Early Christian literature from the late first and early second centuries, such as the Didache, does not present Sunday as a replacement for the Sabbath. Even Ignatius of Antioch’s letter to the Magnesians, often cited as evidence, does not command abandonment of the Sabbath; recent scholarship demonstrates that the Greek text contrasts unbelieving Judaism with the newness of life in Christ, not a repudiation of Sabbath rest (O.H. Gates, The Ignatian Epistles and Their Interpretations). The decisive shift toward Sunday observance arises not from apostolic command but from a complex interaction of Roman culture, distancing from Judaism after the Jewish revolts of 66–135 CE, and, eventually, imperial legislation.

The first universal civil law mandating rest on Sunday comes not from Scripture or apostolic tradition but from Emperor Constantine in 321 CE: “On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest” (Codex Justinianus 3.12.3). The terminology—“the day of the Sun”—is Roman, not Christian, and reflects solar cult language. This statute marks the beginning of Sunday as a legally enforced rest day throughout the empire, centuries after the first Christian communities were established.

Peripheral topics such as polygamy, concubinage, slavery and women’s roles do not support the argument that early Christians abandoned the Sabbath. These social and ethical developments evolved over long periods and were shaped by Greco-Roman legal structures as well as Jewish moral values. As historian Peter Brown observes, “Christian sexual ethics evolved within Greco-Roman, not Jewish, frameworks” (Brown, The Rise of Western Christendom, Oxford University Press, 2013). None of these matters bear directly upon the fourth commandment or upon the historical question of weekly worship.

The claim that Gentile Christians were not allowed in the Temple has no bearing on Sabbath observance. Gentiles were barred from the inner courts of the Temple but were fully welcomed in synagogue worship across the Mediterranean world. This is why Greeks are consistently present in the Sabbath assemblies mentioned in Acts. Sabbath observance was therefore not a Jewish ethnic marker but a shared practice for Jews and God-fearing Gentiles who followed Jesus.

Taken together, the testimonies of Scripture, the witness of early Christian historians and the analysis of contemporary scholarship reveal a coherent pattern: Jesus affirmed the Sabbath and exercised lordship over it; His disciples continued Sabbath observance with full awareness of His resurrection; Gentile Christians joined them; and the shift toward Sunday arose only gradually, culminating in Roman civil authority, not divine command. The earliest Christian movement understood the Sabbath not as a relic of the past but as a living inheritance rooted in creation, upheld by Jesus and shared by communities throughout the first centuries of the church.


References

Brown, Peter. The Rise of Western Christendom. Oxford University Press, 2013.
Constantine. Codex Justinianus 3.12.3, “On the Venerable Day of the Sun.”
Eusebius of Caesarea. Ecclesiastical History. Books 2–3.
Gates, O. H. The Ignatian Epistles and Their Interpretations.
Josephus, Flavius. Antiquities of the Jews. Book 20.
Socrates Scholasticus. Ecclesiastical History. Book 5.
Sozomen. Ecclesiastical History. Book 7.
 
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The ceremonial or written ordinances/rite ritual and ceremony laws could faultlessly be obeyed, even by the worst of sinners(Phil3:6) Law you can faultlessly obey never would be described as the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation. Indeed, if only that law had been given at Sanai, man could have been justified by the law, for law you can faultlessly obey you can indeed be justified by obeying.
Paul said the law engraved in stone was the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation NOT the law written on parchments. The only law engraved in stone was the TC. You are wrong
The problem in your argument is this: you assume that because something was “engraved in stone,” it automatically means that the phrase “the letter that kills” must refer to the Ten Commandments. But this ignores both the Old Testament background and the way the Bible itself uses the word “letter” and “ordinance.” It also ignores Jesus’ clear defense of the commandments.

First, if Paul had truly meant that the Ten Commandments are “death” or “condemnation,” then he would be contradicting Jesus. Jesus said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the law… not to destroy, but to fulfill” (ASV, Matthew 5:17). Jesus also said, “If you would enter into life, keep the commandments” (ASV, Matthew 19:17). Jesus never spoke of the Ten Commandments as death or condemnation. He lifted them up, explained them, purified them and commanded obedience to them.

Second, the Old Testament itself uses the word “ordinances” for ceremonial laws, never for the Ten Commandments. These are laws connected to sacrifices, ritual cleansing, feast days, and priestly requirements. They were written in a book, not on stone (Deuteronomy 31:24–26). God even told Moses to place that written book beside the ark, not inside, because it was not the eternal covenant. Only the Ten Commandments were placed inside the ark.

Here are the exact types of laws the Old Testament calls ordinances, the same type Paul is referring to:

Sacrifice requirements – Leviticus 1–7
Burnt offerings, sin offerings, grain offerings, peace offerings. These were required to deal with sin and guilt. These laws “kill” in the sense that failure meant death or atonement by blood.

Purity and cleansing rules – Leviticus 12–15
Touching a dead body, childbirth cleansing, leprosy laws, blood purification. These laws constantly declared people “unclean,” unable to enter God’s presence. They condemned by their very design.

Festival regulations – Leviticus 23
Passover, Unleavened Bread, Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Tabernacles. Each feast required specific sacrifices “by ordinance forever.” These were shadows pointing to Christ.

Priestly regulations – Exodus 28–29
Special garments, anointing oil, washing rituals, blood placed on ear/thumb/toe. These were heavy, detailed rules that symbolized access to God. Failure meant death.

Sin-transfer rituals – Leviticus 16
The scapegoat, incense requirements, blood sprinkled in the Most Holy Place. These laws directly symbolized sin, death, guilt, and separation.

These are the laws that constantly declared death, impurity, guilt and separation. This is why they are called a ministry of death and condemnation in contrast to the life and cleansing brought by Christ.

Third, the idea that these ceremonial laws could be obeyed “faultlessly” misunderstands the whole purpose of the system. The entire sacrificial system existed because sin cannot be faultlessly overcome. The blood, the rituals, the washings, the yearly atonement all existed because people were not faultless. This is why Hebrews says these rituals were repeated “year by year” and that they “could never take away sins.”

Jesus is the true sacrifice. The animal sacrifices were the “letter,” the shadow, the symbol. By their very nature they proclaimed death, not life. Every animal killed represented the reality that sin leads to death.

The Ten Commandments are never called a shadow. They are called “the covenant” and “the words of life.”

Finally, the phrase “engraved in stone” does not change the Old Testament meaning of “ordinance.” A phrase can refer to an entire system. For example, when the prophets spoke of “Zion,” they often meant all of Israel. When they spoke of “Jerusalem,” they often meant the whole nation. In the same way, “engraved in stone” can refer to the covenant package given at Sinai, which included the Ten Commandments as the heart, but also the larger system of ordinances that dealt with sin, sacrifice and cleansing.

If the Ten Commandments were death, Jesus would never have commanded obedience to them. But He did. The laws that killed were the ritual laws that required blood, cleansing and death symbols, because they pointed to the need for a Savior.

This is why the early Christians understood that the "moral" Ten Commandments remain, while the sacrificial and ceremonial system pointed to Christ and found fulfillment in Him.
 
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The problem in your argument is this: you assume that because something was “engraved in stone,” it automatically means that the phrase “the letter that kills” must refer to the Ten Commandments. But this ignores both the Old Testament background and the way the Bible itself uses the word “letter” and “ordinance.” It also ignores Jesus’ clear defense of the commandments.

First, if Paul had truly meant that the Ten Commandments are “death” or “condemnation,” then he would be contradicting Jesus. Jesus said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the law… not to destroy, but to fulfill” (ASV, Matthew 5:17). Jesus also said, “If you would enter into life, keep the commandments” (ASV, Matthew 19:17). Jesus never spoke of the Ten Commandments as death or condemnation. He lifted them up, explained them, purified them and commanded obedience to them.

Second, the Old Testament itself uses the word “ordinances” for ceremonial laws, never for the Ten Commandments. These are laws connected to sacrifices, ritual cleansing, feast days, and priestly requirements. They were written in a book, not on stone (Deuteronomy 31:24–26). God even told Moses to place that written book beside the ark, not inside, because it was not the eternal covenant. Only the Ten Commandments were placed inside the ark.

Here are the exact types of laws the Old Testament calls ordinances, the same type Paul is referring to:

Sacrifice requirements – Leviticus 1–7
Burnt offerings, sin offerings, grain offerings, peace offerings. These were required to deal with sin and guilt. These laws “kill” in the sense that failure meant death or atonement by blood.

Purity and cleansing rules – Leviticus 12–15
Touching a dead body, childbirth cleansing, leprosy laws, blood purification. These laws constantly declared people “unclean,” unable to enter God’s presence. They condemned by their very design.

Festival regulations – Leviticus 23
Passover, Unleavened Bread, Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Tabernacles. Each feast required specific sacrifices “by ordinance forever.” These were shadows pointing to Christ.

Priestly regulations – Exodus 28–29
Special garments, anointing oil, washing rituals, blood placed on ear/thumb/toe. These were heavy, detailed rules that symbolized access to God. Failure meant death.

Sin-transfer rituals – Leviticus 16
The scapegoat, incense requirements, blood sprinkled in the Most Holy Place. These laws directly symbolized sin, death, guilt, and separation.

These are the laws that constantly declared death, impurity, guilt and separation. This is why they are called a ministry of death and condemnation in contrast to the life and cleansing brought by Christ.

Third, the idea that these ceremonial laws could be obeyed “faultlessly” misunderstands the whole purpose of the system. The entire sacrificial system existed because sin cannot be faultlessly overcome. The blood, the rituals, the washings, the yearly atonement all existed because people were not faultless. This is why Hebrews says these rituals were repeated “year by year” and that they “could never take away sins.”

Jesus is the true sacrifice. The animal sacrifices were the “letter,” the shadow, the symbol. By their very nature they proclaimed death, not life. Every animal killed represented the reality that sin leads to death.

The Ten Commandments are never called a shadow. They are called “the covenant” and “the words of life.”

Finally, the phrase “engraved in stone” does not change the Old Testament meaning of “ordinance.” A phrase can refer to an entire system. For example, when the prophets spoke of “Zion,” they often meant all of Israel. When they spoke of “Jerusalem,” they often meant the whole nation. In the same way, “engraved in stone” can refer to the covenant package given at Sinai, which included the Ten Commandments as the heart, but also the larger system of ordinances that dealt with sin, sacrifice and cleansing.

If the Ten Commandments were death, Jesus would never have commanded obedience to them. But He did. The laws that killed were the ritual laws that required blood, cleansing and death symbols, because they pointed to the need for a Savior.

This is why the early Christians understood that the "moral" Ten Commandments remain, while the sacrificial and ceremonial system pointed to Christ and found fulfillment in Him.
Im afraid it is crystal clear from 2Cor3:6-9 which law Paul is referring to, and you are only the second person I have come across who doesn't believe it, after a catholic on this website. And I think he changed his mind once given the evidence:

the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, WHICH WAS ENGRAVED IN LETTERS ON STONE, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 2Cor3:6-9

Im afraid I cannot continue this with you, as you refuse to accept what is so very plainly stated. In my view, you should accept what Paul plainly wrote, seek understanding of why he wrote it, and then bring it into cohesion with verses you quote.
I will give you an example. What is written in the TC does not have to be destroyed in order for them to cease being the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation. So Paul's words are in line with Jesus words, if we discern the two. Study John16:9 and it should become a little clearer
 
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Im afraid it is crystal clear from 2Cor3:6-9 which law Paul is referring to, and you are only the second person I have come across who doesn't believe it, after a catholic on this website. And I think he changed his mind once given the evidence:

the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, WHICH WAS ENGRAVED IN LETTERS ON STONE, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 2Cor3:6-9

Im afraid I cannot continue this with you, as you refuse to accept what is so very plainly stated. In my view, you should accept what Paul plainly wrote, seek understanding of why he wrote it, and then bring it into cohesion with verses you quote.
I will give you an example. What is written in the TC does not have to be destroyed in order for them to cease being the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation. So Paul's words are in line with Jesus words, if we discern the two. Study John16:9 and it should become a little clearer
Have it your way: obeying God and keeping the Ten Commandments out of love for Him, because He asks us to, is a choice given to all of us by God Himself. Jesus said, “If ye love me, keep my commandments” (John 14:15). And God Himself invites us: “See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; in that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments…” (Deuteronomy 30:15–16).
 

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Have it your way: obeying God and keeping the Ten Commandments out of love for Him, because He asks us to, is a choice given to all of us by God Himself. Jesus said, “If ye love me, keep my commandments” (John 14:15). And God Himself invites us: “See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; in that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments…” (Deuteronomy 30:15–16).
I will mention one thing. I often hear people say you must obey the TC, but none of them admit they themselves transgress them, why do you think that is?
 

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I will mention one thing. I often hear people say you must obey the TC, but none of them admit they themselves transgress them, why do you think that is?
Why would I answer you since you do not believe Jesus, you made your choice clear I made mine, to do God's will. When you are more serious I might answer but not today.
 

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Why would I answer you since you do not believe Jesus, you made your choice clear I made mine, to do God's will. When you are more serious I might answer but not today.
Well I understand you don't want to answer. BTW, according to Jesus what he taught his disciples could be understood without the guidance of the indwelling Holy Spirit, what followed the Gospels, especially what Paul wrote could not be
 

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I use this example a lot:

God told Moses the Israelites were a stiff necked heathen people who would soon desert him when they reached the promised land. It is not surprising then they were instructed to set aside one day a week to meditate on God’s goodness and kindness to them. But they had to be instructed to do it.

Under the new covenant, our hearts have been softened, we have the indwelling Holy Spirit. We have been born again of the spirit and are new creations. Every single day born again Christians instinctively meditate on God’s kindness to them by sending His son to die for them, and every day, we are grateful for it.

The spiritual intent of the fourth commandment is upheld in Christians today seven days a week.
@Button and @saved by grace 101 and @LoveYeshua

Carefully observe the purpose of the sabbath = Exodus 31:12-17

And the LORD said to Moses, “Tell the Israelites, ‘Surely you must keep My Sabbaths, for this will be a sign between Me and you for the generations to come, so that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you. Keep the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Anyone who profanes it must surely be put to death. Whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from among his people. For six days work may be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must surely be put to death.

The Israelites must keep the Sabbath, celebrating it as a permanent covenant for the generations to come. It is a sign between Me and the Israelites forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, but on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’”
 

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@Button and @saved by grace 101 and @LoveYeshua

Carefully observe the purpose of the sabbath = Exodus 31:12-17

And the LORD said to Moses, “Tell the Israelites, ‘Surely you must keep My Sabbaths, for this will be a sign between Me and you for the generations to come, so that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you. Keep the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Anyone who profanes it must surely be put to death. Whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from among his people. For six days work may be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must surely be put to death.

The Israelites must keep the Sabbath, celebrating it as a permanent covenant for the generations to come. It is a sign between Me and the Israelites forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, but on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’”
Make your point clear David, I know of these verses. thank you
 
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Make your point clear David, I know of these verses. thank you
Brother, it is not my pov but God's POV.

This is what the Holy Spirit is asking us to SEE = what is God's POV of the purpose and measure of the sabbath in Exodus 31:12-17
 
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Contemplate about this - why do you need to go to online Christian forums and to fight for Sabbath with Christians? You do not need to fight with us that it is a sin to live in adultery, to steal, to hate people etc.

Sabbath is obviously not a moral law written on the hearts of Christians. If somebody doubts if it is, it is artificial, because of people like you, not because of our natural moral compass. Somebody must plant this idea into the minds of Christians, first.
I am not fighting here.
Maybe you should contemplate why God's Sabbath gift causes you to be angry when it is discussed in forums like this.And why you oppose this topic yet insist on remaining in the thread.

Especially if you attend church on Sunday.
 

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@Button and @saved by grace 101 and @LoveYeshua

Carefully observe the purpose of the sabbath = Exodus 31:12-17

And the LORD said to Moses, “Tell the Israelites, ‘Surely you must keep My Sabbaths, for this will be a sign between Me and you for the generations to come, so that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you. Keep the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Anyone who profanes it must surely be put to death. Whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from among his people. For six days work may be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must surely be put to death.

The Israelites must keep the Sabbath, celebrating it as a permanent covenant for the generations to come. It is a sign between Me and the Israelites forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, but on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’”
I suggest we carefully read the New Testament.

And maybe then see that Paul tells us we who are in Christ are one people now.
And that Jesus never abolished the Sabbath. Why would he? It is made for us.

And he showed how it is to be honored. Not as a strict law but as a time of service in his rest alone.

Insisting the Sabbath is for others isn't recognizing the unity we have in him.
 

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I suggest we carefully read the New Testament.

And maybe then see that Paul tells us we who are in Christ are one people now.
And that Jesus never abolished the Sabbath. Why would he? It is made for us.

And he showed how it is to be honored. Not as a strict law but as a time of service in his rest alone.

Insisting the Sabbath is for others isn't recognizing the unity we have in him.
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
 

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I am not fighting here.
Maybe you should contemplate why God's Sabbath gift causes you to be angry when it is discussed in forums like this.And why you oppose this topic yet insist on remaining in the thread.

Especially if you attend church on Sunday.
And the LORD said to Moses, “Tell the Israelites, ‘Surely you must keep My Sabbaths, for this will be a sign between Me and you for the generations to come, so that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you. Keep the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Anyone who profanes it must surely be put to death. Whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from among his people. For six days work may be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must surely be put to death.

The Israelites must keep the Sabbath, celebrating it as a permanent covenant for the generations to come. It is a sign between Me and the Israelites forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, but on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’”
 
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