Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

[Grailhunter]

Except that the AND is not present....

I capitalized the ANDS. What are you talking about?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

If someone asked to lend from you would you gladly lend to them without ever expecting anything back?

If someone stole from you, would you offer them more than what they stole with nothing but love in your heart for them?

Do you not invite friends or family home for a meal, but rather the poor, blind, lame and beggars?

If you have ever fasted, have you even hinted to anyone you are fasting?

Do you truly in your heart love your enemies, those who may malign, harass or persecute you?

Do you leap for joy if you are persecuted?

The false teachers are always side stepping the whole counsel of the Lord and engage in feeble attempts to deflect

Seeing they cannot defend their false doctrine with scripture they must employs the "look over there, a Squirrel" tactic because they are Squirrely

You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, OR ANYTHING THAT BELONGS TO YOUR NEIGHBOUR.

So, as I told you yesterday, you cannot covet/desire anything of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household, straight from the bible!

But we can go further than that:

for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. Rom7:7&8

So the tenth commandment covers lust/concupiscence. What does concupiscence mean? Check it out in any dictionary, it means sexual desire.

So, lust, sexual desire/impure thoughts are all covered by the tenth commandment. This commandment covers what goes on, on the inside of man, his thoughts/desires/coveting, it concerns law only you and God need know you break. Other commandments relate to what goes on, on the outside of man, ie, adultery, murder, stealing etc.

The false teachers continue to side step the whole counsel of the Lord and engage in feeble attempts to deflect

Seeing they cannot defend their false doctrine with scripture they must employs the "look over there, a Squirrel" tactic because they are Squirrely

 

[Grailhunter]

Except that the AND is not present....
We are warned not to add to scripture. Revelation 22:18-19

They are defined separately because they are two different PERSONS...
of the same substance and nature
of the same will and eternal.


This is correct. There is no other like Him.
Nothing on this earth like Him.
God is not like us...which is why we just have to ACCEPT WHAT He is.

Guess you didn't like the list.



Because they are the SAME BEING.
But different PERSONS.
It might be up in the air for you GH....
but greater minds than ours accepted this in the very beginning of the church and even explained it.

Why do you think John wrote his gospel?

Gnostics had invaded the early church, teaching, among other doctrine, that Jesus was a man.
John wrote his gospel to prove that Jesus is God.

These are some teachings that are offered by John:

JESUS GIVES LIFE TO THE WORLD
John 5:22
22 "For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son,


JESUS JUDGES THE WORLD
John 5:27
27 and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man.


THERE IS A DIVINE UNITY BETWEEN FATHER AND SON
John 10:30
30 "I and the Father are one."


JESUS IMITATES THE FATHER'S WORKS
John 5:19-21
19 Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing * of Himself, unless * it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever * the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.
20 "For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself is doing; and the Father will show Him greater works than these, so that you will marvel.
21 "For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes.


JESUS SPEAKS THE FATHER'S WORDS
John 8:28
28 So Jesus said, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me.

You know I can give over a hundred scriptures to the contrary. And Yeshua explained the oneness concept in detail. They are not one.

 

[GodsGrace]

You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, OR ANYTHING THAT BELONGS TO YOUR NEIGHBOUR.

Oh my.
But my neighbor's beemer looks so sleek!

So, as I told you yesterday, you cannot covet/desire anything of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household, straight from the bible!

Bummer.

But we can go further than that:

for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Do you mean to tell me that mankind did not know LUST UNTIL IT BECAME A SIN?

Wow.
Paul was a bit behind the times.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. Rom7:7&8

So now that there was A LAW...
mankind experienced CONCUPISCENSE?

Too bad.
God shoulda never given that commandment.

So the tenth commandment covers lust/concupiscence. What does concupiscence mean? Check it out in any dictionary, it means sexual desire.

Yes sir.
I will check out the meaning immediately,,,
if not sooner.

So, lust, sexual desire/impure thoughts are all covered by the tenth commandment. This commandment covers what goes on, on the inside of man, his thoughts/desires/coveting, it concerns law only you and God need know you break. Other commandments relate to what goes on, on the outside of man, ie, adultery, murder, stealing etc.

Whew!
And I thought my thoughts were my own!

BTW

The definition of a word such as concupiscence is not found in commentaries, they are baised according to their particular belief, so they will try and makle a word or phrase fit in with that. Just as people on these websites do the same, through concordances and ancient texts(when the need arises)

Dictionaries are NOT baised, they give you the correct meaning!

Yes sir.
I ALWAYS use the dictionary when I want to learn theology.

DINNER TIME!

 

[saved by grace 101]

Oh my.
But my neighbor's beemer looks so sleek!


Bummer.

Do you mean to tell me that mankind did not know LUST UNTIL IT BECAME A SIN?

Wow.
Paul was a bit behind the times.


So now that there was A LAW...
mankind experienced CONCUPISCENSE?

Too bad.
God shoulda never given that commandment.

Yes sir.
I will check out the meaning immediately,,,
if not sooner.


Whew!
And I thought my thoughts were my own!


Yes sir.
I ALWAYS use the dictionary when I want to learn theology.

DINNER TIME!

As I expected, only deflection. On the good side for you, you didn't lie and say you fully obeyed the commandment. Well done

 

[GodsGrace]

You know I can give over a hundred scriptures to the contrary. And Yeshua explained the oneness concept in detail. They are not one.

Sure they are.

Jesus said it.

He said
THE FATHER AND I ARE ONE.

That sounds like Jesus and the Father are One.

And yet, YOU say they are not one.

Funny stuff goes on in Christianity.

I'm afraid that the other member has put me into a NON-SERIOUS mood so I will bid you farewell for now.

I gave you 160 reasons to stay....
but a person needs only one to leave.

Or V V, can't remember.

 

[Grailhunter]

PS
See what you wrote GH...it's actually correct.

You wrote:

One of those things I will have to ask when I get to Heaven because the Old Testament say Yahweh created everything and the New Testament says Yeshua created everything.

The bible can state this because Yahweh and Yeshua are the same being.
They are both Yahweh.

We can trust the writers of the bible.
No need to wait to get to heaven.
No need to post doctrine that does not exist in the Christian religion/faith.

There is one God in the Old Testament and no three in one.....no three headed God. Yeshua is not even mentioned.
We can trust them but understanding is another thing. One God in the Old Testament and He created everything. Again it would be easier to understand if God the Father name was still there....it would say Yahweh created everything.

 

[saved by grace 101]

The false teachers continue to side step the whole counsel of the Lord and engage in feeble attempts to deflect

Are you speaking about yourself? You sidestepped from addressing the examples I gave you of Christ's commands, you deflected!

 

[GodsGrace]

As I expected, only deflection. On the good side for you, you didn't lie and say you fully obeyed the commandment. Well done

No wait.
There's a Benz down the block that I like more.
Can I change my mind?

 

[saved by grace 101]

No wait.
There's a Benz down the block that I like more.
Can I change my mind?

I gave you a compliment, accept it, you did not lie and say you obeyed the commandment, well done again

 

[Grailhunter]

That sounds like Jesus and the Father are One.

Again Yeshua explained the oneness concept in detail and it was one God talking to another God.....Yeshua talking to Yahweh.

 

[GodsGrace]

There is one God in the Old Testament and no three in one.....no three headed God. Yeshua is not even mentioned.
We can trust them but understanding is another thing. One God in the Old Testament and He created everything. Again it would be easier to understand if God the Father name was still there....it would say Yahweh created everything.

Sure Jesus is mentioned.
Some just don't want to see Him there.
Is He anywhere in Isaiah?
Is He the Wonderful Counselor, the Mighty God....

yeah.
I think so. Try Isaiah 9

 

[Grailhunter]

Sure they are.

Jesus said it.

He said
THE FATHER AND I ARE ONE.

That sounds like Jesus and the Father are One.

And yet, YOU say they are not one.

Funny stuff goes on in Christianity.

I'm afraid that the other member has put me into a NON-SERIOUS mood so I will bid you farewell for now.

I gave you 160 reasons to stay....
but a person needs only one to leave.

Or V V, can't remember.

God bless GodsGrace.

 

[GodsGrace]

I gave you a compliment, accept it, you did not lie and say you obeyed the commandment, well done again

Whoa!

Just hold on one little minute.

I just thought of someone that has a MAYBACH.

Oooooh yeaaaah.

THAT'S THE ONE!!

 

[saved by grace 101]

Again Yeshua explained the oneness concept in detail and it was one God talking to another God.....Yeshua talking to Yahweh.

I and the father are one is interesting
Jesus prayed, concerning believers:
That they may be one AS AS we are one John17:22
But you cannot be me or I you, only one way we can be as one, of one heart and one mind, in complete unity(verse23) through the Spirit

 

[GodsGrace]

I gave you a compliment, accept it, you did not lie and say you obeyed the commandment, well done again

So...let's see.

To get a COMPLIMENT I have to BREAK A COMMANDMENT.

saved....
Do you hear yourself talk?

Listen to those who are saying that we must obey God.

THEY KNOW BEST.

 

[GodsGrace]

I and the father are one is interesting
Jesus prayed, concerning believers:
That they may be one AS AS we are one John17:22
But you cannot be me or I you, only one way we can be as one, of one heart and one mind, in complete unity(verse23) through the Spirit

But NOT in complete unity.

ONLY God Father and God Son have complete unity.

But I must leave.

 

[saved by grace 101]

So...let's see.

To get a COMPLIMENT I have to BREAK A COMMANDMENT.

saved....
Do you hear yourself talk?

Listen to those who are saying that we must obey God.

THEY KNOW BEST.

Try not to bear false witness dear, I gave you a compliment for not lying, as Im sure you know

 

[saved by grace 101]

But NOT in complete unity.

ONLY God Father and God Son have complete unity.

But I must leave.

I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to COMPLETE UNITY

 

[GodsGrace]

Try n ot to bear false witness dear, I gave you a compliment for not lying, as Im sure you knows

HA!!!

I WAS lying!!!

I don't covet anybody's car!