IF THERE IS JUST ONE CHURCH THEN WHO GETS HEAVEN?

[saved by grace 101]

[Acts 11:19 KJV] "Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.".........No Gentiles were being preached to. We have to be careful in assuming which church is being referred to in Galatians 2 and Acts 15. There were churches in Antioch before Paul was saved. Paul persecuted the little flock Jerusalem church and they were scattered as far as Antioch. These churches were not body of Christ churches, they were the little flock Jerusalem churches.

[Acts 15:1 KJV] "And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, [and said], Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.".........If they came down from Judea, chances are these men who said the Gentile believers had to be circumcised were not from the body of Christ, but from the little flock church (I will explain). ........ [Acts 15:2 KJV] "When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.".........Paul and Barnabas disputed with the men from Judea, not with the body of Christ members. It was decided that Paul and Barnabas and some of "them" from Judea should go to Jerusalem about this matter.
Paul could not have been disputing about matters within his ministry, but was dealing with stipulations being imposed on Gentile believers by some of the believing circumcision little flock..........[Galatians 1:22 KJV] "And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:".........Paul says the churches of Judea were in Christ; the Jews in the little flock who believed on the name of Christ were in Christ, not just those in the body of Christ. ........Paul was unknown to the churches of Judea who only knew he persecuted them. That is why I said that those who came down from Judea weren't in the body of Christ, the churches of Judea didn't know Paul..........[Galatians 1:23 KJV] "But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.".......It is very doubtful that those from Judea were in the body of Christ.

There were also some believing Pharisees who were in the little flock, who also said the Gentiles had to keep the law........[Acts 15:5 KJV] "But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses."
[Acts 15:6 KJV] "And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter."

[Galatians 2:3 KJV] "But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:"
[Galatians 2:4 KJV] "And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:"........These false brethren were from the little flock. Paul distinguishes the body of Christ as being those to whom it is said, the false brethren came to spy out "OUR liberty", and in saying, which "WE have", which did not include the false brethren from the little flock. The little flock wanted to bring the body of Christ, "US', into bondage.

[Acts 15:22 KJV] "Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; [namely], Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:".........The apostle and elders sent chosen men of their own company which is those of the little flock, NOT of the body of Christ along with Paul and Barnabas. This wasn't done by Paul alone. They were sent to the WHOLE church, both the body of Christ and the little flock churches.
[Acts 15:23 KJV] "And they wrote [letters] by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren [send] greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:"
[Acts 15:24 KJV] "Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:".......It is certain that those who said the Gentiles had to keep the law of Moses were from the little flock churches and not the body of Christ members.
[Acts 15:25 KJV] "It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,"........They sent believing little flock members WITH Paul and Barnabas.

The little flock church are those who believed the preaching of Jesus and the twelve. They believed only on the name of Jesus, that he was Christ, the Son of God, and had life by his name. They were persecuted and scattered under Paul. They were still in existence during the conversion and early ministry of Paul. The elders and apostles from the little flock church met with Paul in the Jerusalem council in Acts 15. The dispute arose from the little flock saying that Gentiles would have to follow the law of Moses. The little flock were the ones who disputed with Paul. This question would have impacted Paul who was preaching liberty in Christ and that Gentiles weren't under the law.

Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. Acts13:1

So the church Barnabas and Saul were part of in Antioch wasn't a church in the BOC? It was one under the Jerusalem church?
Only it was that church Paul took the letter to with the councils decision

 

[Doug]

come on doug i take you as a person who knows the Bible ..but what your trying to say is pure speculation and not scripture paul is a apostle who had seen the Christ

Yes Paul saw the resurrected Christ, but that is not the only qualification to be numbered among the twelve as an apostle. They had to be with Christ from John's baptism (That is scripture not me...........[Acts 1:22 KJV] "Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.")
This is a dilemma then........if there is only one church and Paul is said to be an apostle how could that be so if he didnt qualify to be an apostle in that church along with the twelve?
Paul can be an apostle in another church, the body of Christ. That means TWO churches.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes Paul saw the resurrected Christ, but that is not the only qualification to be numbered among the twelve as an apostle. They had to be with Christ from John's baptism (That is scripture not me...........[Acts 1:22 KJV] "Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.")
This is a dilemma then........if there is only one church and Paul is said to be an apostle how could that be so if he didnt qualify to be an apostle in that church along with the twelve?
Paul can be an apostle in another church, the body of Christ. That means TWO churches.

The foundation is Christ and yes for to be of the twelve one did have to be a witness of HIS ressurection .
ON that part you are right .
Paul was not counted in as THE ORIGINAL twelve .
BUT HE was added into THE SAME CHURCH by faith IN THE SAME GOSPEL the original twelve did preach .
You are using partial truths to establish a lie .
No doubt in my mind you got this from men . But if you would start over
in JUST the bible for yourself
and simply read for yourself . IN time it becomes clear . But so long as you sit under pauline or any other doctrines
of men gone wrong , You stay decieved .
Had pauline and her doctrine walked into any house of GOD in the days of the twelves apostels
OR EVEN PAULS days , THEY HAD ALL REBUKED that harlot out of the house .
Paul would have stood dead set against what much cliam as PUALINE doctrine .
Just trying to help you .

 

[Doug]

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For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. to build there must be a foundation .. the foundation was built at calvary that is the only foundation for the one Church we was wise master builders build upon..

This doesnt resolve how Paul could be an apostle in the one church
There can be more than one foundation which means there can be more than one church

[1 Corinthians 3:10 KJV] "According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon."..............Paul laid a foundation

[Ephesians 2:20 KJV] "And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone];".............The twelve laid a foundation
[Ephesians 2:21 KJV] "In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:"
[Ephesians 2:22 KJV] "In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."...........the foundation laid by the twelve and the foundation laid by Paul are built upon to form a building of God


[1 Corinthians 3:11 KJV] "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ."..........Christ is the foundation of the twelve and Paul

 

[Ezra]

This doesnt resolve how Paul could be an apostle in the one church
There can be more than one foundation which means there can be more than one church

psssdt there is ONLY 1 true Church that is the Body of Christ. your grasping at straws .the Bible says only one foundation ONE ROCK

 

[Doug]

psssdt there is ONLY 1 true Church that is the Body of Christ. your grasping at straws .the Bible says only one foundation ONE ROCK

You still havent resolved how Paul could be an apostle along with the twelve if he didnt meet the criteria in being with Christ since John's baptism

 

[Ezra]

You still havent resolved how Paul could be an apostle along with the twelve if he didnt meet the criteria in being with Christ since John's baptism

i dont need to explain it..

1 Corinthians 1-11
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Greeting​

1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

i may not hold a college degree but this is the word of God

Ephesians 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

2 Peter 3:15-16
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15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
as paul harvery would say and now you know the rest of the story

 

[Ezra]

1 Corinthians 15:8-10 there you go....no more games i have answered every question .. i have showed in scripture there is only ONE Church ..you have only presented speculation ..no scripture only your theory​

In the Bible, an apostle (from Greek apostolos) means "one who is sent out" or "messenger," specifically referring to individuals commissioned by Jesus with authority to represent Him and spread the gospel, like the Twelve Apostles (Peter, John, etc.) and Paul, to establish the early Church as His envoys. While all apostles are disciples (learners), not all disciples become apostles; apostles hold a special, foundational role as divinely appointed representatives with unique authority.
You still havent resolved how Paul could be an apostle along with the twelve

8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.


9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.


10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

 

[amigo de christo]

1 Corinthians 15:8-10 there you go....​

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In the Bible, an apostle (from Greek apostolos) means "one who is sent out" or "messenger," specifically referring to individuals commissioned by Jesus with authority to represent Him and spread the gospel, like the Twelve Apostles (Peter, John, etc.) and Paul, to establish the early Church as His envoys. While all apostles are disciples (learners), not all disciples become apostles; apostles hold a special, foundational role as divinely appointed representatives with unique authority.

You still havent resolved how Paul could be an apostle along with the twelve

8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.


9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.


10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

ol doug has no ammo my friend . you just keep on keeping on my friend .
He been lit up like a park on the fourth of july with scriptural reminders .

 

[Doug]

i dont need to explain it..​

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1 Corinthians 1-11​

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Greeting​

1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

i may not hold a college degree but this is the word of God

Ephesians 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

2 Peter 3:15-16​

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15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
as paul harvery would say and now you know the rest of the story

You dont have to explain it but the scriptures you gave dont address it either. You need to provide scripture to support your contention that there is just one church. I gave you scripture Acts 1:22 showing that Paul wasn't able an apostle with the twelve that wasn't opinion it was scripture.

I never disputed that Paul is an apostle. What is in question is how Paul can be said to be an apostle along with the twelve

See if I get this right. Peter was forming the body of Christ at Pentecost in Acts 2. Paul was made an apostle in the church formed by Peter. Paul was given mystery revelations for the church.

You contend that there is one church so that raises a question.

[Galatians 1:18 KJV] "Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days."
[Galatians 1:19 KJV] "But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother."........Paul visited Peter 3 years after his conversion.

[Galatians 2:2 KJV] "And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.".......Paul told them the gospel he was given. What gospel was Paul given? This is his gospel........[1 Corinthians 15:1 KJV] "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;"
[1 Corinthians 15:3 KJV] "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;"
[1 Corinthians 15:4 KJV] "And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

If they were all one church and Paul told Peter his gospel why didn't Peter ever preach it?
Does it make any sense that Peter never preached it in Acts?

 

[Doug]

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For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. to build there must be a foundation .. the foundation was built at calvary that is the only foundation for the one Church we was wise master builders build upon..

i said that ther could be two foundations. One built by Peter and the twelve and one by Paul. They would be one spiritual building together.
Both foundations were laid on Christ.
You cant say there was only one foundation. Here are THREE:
[1 Corinthians 3:10 KJV] "According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon."..........Paul laid a foundation
[1 Corinthians 3:11 KJV] "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.".............Jesus is the foundation
[Ephesians 2:20 KJV] "And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone];"...........the apostles and prophets laid a foundation

 

[Ezra]

i said that ther could be two foundations. One built by Peter and the twelve and one by Paul.

Jesus is the only foundation we are wise master builders

 

[Ezra]

You need to provide scripture to support your contention that there is just one church.

done that you rejected it. many Churches was formed that is Church bodies which has many members

 

[Ezra]

If they were all one church and Paul told Peter his gospel why didn't Peter ever preach it?
Does it make any sense that Peter never preached it in Acts?

stop your adding to my replies.. there is only one true Church and its s not a building made by hands. there are many church denoms and many of them are singing me and jesus got our own thing going ME and Jesus got it all worked out.... it sounds a whole like the Church of Christ ME and WE and i there are a few Baptist and pentecostals like that also.. they are the true doctrine..

 

[Doug]

Jesus is the only foundation we are wise master builders

[1 Corinthians 3:10 KJV] "According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon."

Paul is not us

 

[Ezra]

Paul is not us

ok honestly i have had enough your pushing strange fire. what you keep trying to get me and others to buy.is not Bible . early on we had a good discussion going ..but not any more . might i add i have NO idea what your saying paul is not us. gezz .your grasping at straws

 

[Doug]

ok honestly i have had enough your pushing strange fire. what you keep trying to get me and others to buy.is not Bible . early on we had a good discussion going ..but not any more . might i add i have NO idea what your saying paul is not us. gezz .your grasping at straws

[Matthew 28:19 KJV] "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
[Matthew 28:20 KJV] "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen."............the twelve were to teach the nations to observe ALL things he commanded them.
If there is one true church than the teachings of Jesus and the twelve and Paul are all for us.

[Luke 12:33 KJV] "Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth."..........Does this apply to you?

[Matthew 24:14 KJV] "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."...........are you preaching the gospel of the kingdom? Are you preaching the prophetic kingdom on earth is at hand?

[Acts 2:38 KJV] "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."...............do we need to be water baptized for forgiveness of sins?

[Matthew 6:14 KJV] "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:"
[Matthew 6:15 KJV] "But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."........do you have to forgive to be forgiven?

 

[amigo de christo]

ok honestly i have had enough your pushing strange fire. what you keep trying to get me and others to buy.is not Bible . early on we had a good discussion going ..but not any more . might i add i have NO idea what your saying paul is not us. gezz .your grasping at straws

Grasping at straws is an understatment of what he does .
It would be as if a man claimed to have grabbed hold of the very wind itself
and twirls about a tornado . That man is grasping big time my friend .
but the sheep do not heed the vain words of men that do grasp at vain thoughts by which to recreate the truth
in the image of what their MEN said truth was .
So allow me some parting words .
THERE IS ONLY ONE CHURCH , ONE BODY , ONE BRIDE
The believing jews and beleiving gentiles . Only ONE gospel by which they did beleive
and were saved .
And only one book the sheep will not twist , but rather read and enjoy the plain truth written within that lovely bible .

 

[Doug]

THERE IS ONLY ONE CHURCH , ONE BODY , ONE BRIDE

I will ask you the same thing I asked Ezra

[Matthew 28:19 KJV] "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
[Matthew 28:20 KJV] "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen."............the twelve were to teach the nations to observe ALL things he commanded them.
If there is one true church than the teachings of Jesus and the twelve and Paul are all for us.

[Luke 12:33 KJV] "Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth."..........Does this apply to you?

[Matthew 24:14 KJV] "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."...........are you preaching the gospel of the kingdom? Are you preaching the prophetic kingdom on earth is at hand?

[Acts 2:38 KJV] "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."...............do we need to be water baptized for forgiveness of sins?

[Matthew 6:14 KJV] "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:"
[Matthew 6:15 KJV] "But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."........do you have to forgive to be forgiven?

 

[amigo de christo]

I will ask you the same thing I asked Ezra

[Matthew 28:19 KJV] "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
[Matthew 28:20 KJV] "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen."............the twelve were to teach the nations to observe ALL things he commanded them.
If there is one true church than the teachings of Jesus and the twelve and Paul are all for us.

[Luke 12:33 KJV] "Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth."..........Does this apply to you?

[Matthew 24:14 KJV] "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."...........are you preaching the gospel of the kingdom? Are you preaching the prophetic kingdom on earth is at hand?

[Acts 2:38 KJV] "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."...............do we need to be water baptized for forgiveness of sins?

[Matthew 6:14 KJV] "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:"
[Matthew 6:15 KJV] "But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."........do you have to forgive to be forgiven?

You said IF there be only one true church then the teachings of JESUS and the twelve apostels
and Paul are all for us .
THEY ARE . EVERY LOVELY WORD of THE LORD IS TRUTH . IT IS MEN who twist such words
to recreate other gospels and whatever else their hearts desire to beleive
HIS WORDS ARE FOR US .
It is wri tten that man shall not live by bread alone but by every WORD of GOD .
AND NOW WE LIVE by HIM , WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD and whose words are our meat .
What . suprised . I been telling us all
TO get in that bible for YOU and YOUR own selves . BELEIVE what is written
do not try and omit parts of it
DO NOT try and pit apostel against apostel
DO NOT try and create two gospels
And many other things i have i long warned .
EV ERY WORD OF GOD BE THE TRUTH and JESUS IS THE WORD of GOD .
and now a word FOR YOU who seems to twist HIS words .
A man who hears and does NOT , built that house on sinking sand padnah .
You and scores of others DO NOHTING but try and recreate a version of Christ
that fit the pattern and doctrines of men . That will be your own downfall .
LEST YE DO SOMETHING about it , AS IN get in the bible for you and far away from the teachings of men
YOU have been folllowing .