IF THERE IS JUST ONE CHURCH THEN WHO GETS HEAVEN?

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IF THERE IS JUST ONE CHURCH THEN WHO GETS HEAVEN?

* The Church;
(Effected by, through of Christ Jesus forward)
ie Those (having Confessed), been MADE WHOLE (body, soul, spirit), Before Mortal Death…(but by Crucifixion with Jesus’ Body).

* Not the Church…
(Effected by, through, of the Lord God Almighty.)
Ancient OT men,
and Forward Through NT men,
and Through the Last Great Tribulations,
and Any during Christ King Jesus’ 1,000 year Reign….
WHO ARE;
Righteous, “Heartful” Believers maintaining / keeping Belief (by “their own” enduring WILL-power), to the Moment of Their Mortal Death.

Glory To Our Great Graceful and Just God,
Taken
verily verily i do type unto thee , remember yester what was written .
That many sat under men who preached they own false lovey does and ecumenical doctrines .
Many will die before they abandon what men twisted unto them .
ITS GOOD if we are willing to die standing on TRUTH
But when a man chooses to die standing on what men SAY is truth , that was vain faith
and will have profited them NAUGHT but the whirlwind of destruction
on the great and mighty DAY of THE LORD .
Another just wrote this very morning , that people
hear , see and beleive exactly what THEY DESIRE TO BELEIVE .
But let me just say
SHEEP HAVE A WHOLE NEW DESIRE , and they see and desire to beleive .............TRUTH .
So there it is for all to see and to examine .
AND BY Examine and examination had , I MEAN ITS HIGH TIME
for all folks to see if what they really love and desired was T RUTH
or was it just doctrines of men g one wrong .
SO , YES its gonna mean bible time in the house .
 
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IF THERE IS JUST ONE CHURCH THEN WHO GETS HEAVEN?

* The Church;
(Effected by, through of Christ Jesus forward)
ie Those (having Confessed), been MADE WHOLE (body, soul, spirit), Before Mortal Death…(but by Crucifixion with Jesus’ Body).

* Not the Church…
(Effected by, through, of the Lord God Almighty.)
Ancient OT men,
and Forward Through NT men,
and Through the Last Great Tribulations,
and Any during Christ King Jesus’ 1,000 year Reign….
WHO ARE;
Righteous, “Heartful” Believers maintaining / keeping Belief (by “their own” enduring WILL-power), to the Moment of Their Mortal Death.

Glory To Our Great Graceful and Just God,
Taken
and WHO does THIS ONE HOLY SPIRIT TESTIFY OF
JESUS THE CHRIST . And whose words would he bring to remembrance
THE VERY WORDS OF JESUS .
Let us keep that in mind when any , whether man , woman , child , donkey or angel , even thought
comes along
and tries to imply that there are good people in all religoins who are serving the same GOD the t rue christains do .
IMPOSSIBLE .
JESUS told those who beleived not on HIM ,
HAD you beleived moses you would have BELEIVED ME . so yes the muslims might claim to
BUT L IES .
JESUs said to those who believed not , YOU DO NOT HAVE THE LOVE OF GOD IN YOU .
So then how do these other religions have the love of GOD in them , WHEN THEY DENY CHRIST JESUS
and at most follow another jesus .
JESUS said IF YE LOVED ME you would KEEP my sayings .
And now a word of reminder by which to again stir us up ,
BUT WE HAVE ONE FATHER , GOD . so take note they DID CLIAM to BELEIVE ON GOD
and yet DID NOT BELEIVE ON JESUS .
And what did and who did JESUS say was their fa ther . THE DEVIL . so i highly suggest
yet ag ain , that we get anyone out of ecumeincal intefaith and fast .
and lastly one more reminder
IF even cornelious who did many good works , many prayers and alms
HAD to hear and b eleive the gospel TO be saved , WELL THEN how can anyone else save themselves .
WITH MAN IT IS IMPOSSIBLE , BUT NOT with GOD . And GOD has chosen HOW to save the world .
BY the preaching of the gospel to save those who ......................BELEIVE .
And one more thing
I challenge anyone to show me any of these so called g ood people who walk this earth .
CAUSE the last time i checked T HERE IS NONE WHO IS GOOD BUT GOD . all fall short .
 
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verily verily i do type unto thee , remember yester what was written .
That many sat under men who preached they own false lovey does and ecumenical doctrines .
Many will die before they abandon what men twisted unto them .
ITS GOOD if we are willing to die standing on TRUTH
But when a man chooses to die standing on what men SAY is truth , that was vain faith
and will have profited them NAUGHT but the whirlwind of destruction
on the great and mighty DAY of THE LORD .
Another just wrote this very morning , that people
hear , see and beleive exactly what THEY DESIRE TO BELEIVE .
But let me just say
SHEEP HAVE A WHOLE NEW DESIRE , and they see and desire to beleive .............TRUTH .
So there it is for all to see and to examine .
AND BY Examine and examination had , I MEAN ITS HIGH TIME
for all folks to see if what they really love and desired was T RUTH
or was it just doctrines of men g one wrong .
SO , YES its gonna mean bible time in the house .

“Heartful” Belief is the KEY…
Zero consideration of The Carnal Mind.
God Himself teaches For men to VERIFY.
God Himself VERIFIES what the Heart Believes….Before Forgiveness…Salvation…Quickening… Glorified Body IS Gifted to a man.

Jer 17:
[10] I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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“Heartful” Belief is the KEY…
Zero consideration of The Carnal Mind.
God Himself teaches For men to VERIFY.
God Himself VERIFIES what the Heart Believes….Before Forgiveness…Salvation…Quickening… Glorified Body IS Gifted to a man.

Jer 17:
[10] I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Glory to God,
Taken
I hope you are not serious .
Heartful belief .
You do realize the heart of man is wicked from his youth and up .
There are many well meaning buddists , atheists , muslims
HECK even b oy scouts
that do good and mean well and yet LOST as can be .
True BELEIF is IN GOD. And if one rejects CHRIST , oh my near and dear friend , THEY HAVE REJECTED GOD .
Lets not take JEREMIAH out of text .
GOD is talking about BELEIVING IN HIM from the heart
DOING it from the heart , NOT LIP service .
Many follow the one same god
But taken do i need to say why i said god and NOT GOD .
The devil is a liar
And his queen spouts her ecumenical JESUS DENYING poison to a world
and much of christendome who has sucked down that cup .
Remember today taken . remember this day well .
FOR it was not I that g ave unto the peoples a false hope
and make beleive love . B Y g race , for years i have POINTED ONLY TO JESUS CHRIST
with a dire and stern reminder of what befalls all who rejected HIM .
AS DID JESUS , AS DID HIS OWN apostels
FOR ON THE DAY of THE LORD we shall all
see where false ecumeincal love led them . AS they cry and plead
only to hear , I NEVER KNEW YOU .
JESUS preached the dire need to b eleive ON HIM , even warned those who failed to do
so . YALLS LOVE dont do that . YOU will be held ACCOUNTABLE taken .
PRAYERFULLY you will have repented before that DAY .
 
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So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter.

Do I assume you believe the church at Antioch consisted solely of Cornelius and his household?
Cornelius lived in Ceaserea, not Antioch
The false brethren came out from the little flock Jerusalem church and Antioch held lots of the Jewish believers
I am not understanding this line of discussion from you sorry
 

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“Heartful” Belief is the KEY…
Zero consideration of The Carnal Mind.
God Himself teaches For men to VERIFY.
God Himself VERIFIES what the Heart Believes….Before Forgiveness…Salvation…Quickening… Glorified Body IS Gifted to a man.

Jer 17:
[10] I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Glory to God,
Taken
Taken you cannot preach BELEIF and UNBELIEF .
Choose ye this day
but it cannot be both .
EITHER you preach DIRE NECCESITY TO BELEIVE ON JESUS
or its all in vain . BUT IT cannot be both .
YOU cannot say I BELIEVE
and then act like others in them false religions will somehow be okay .
That was never the message JESUS gave
or the apostels gave .
TELL ya what
YOU GO and reread today the gospels .
THEN read again the book of acts .
SEE THE DIRE WARNINGS upon all that rejected the gospel . SEE THEM and be r eminded
OF THE DIRE and ABSOLUTELY DIRE NEED to have had to BELEIVE ON JESUS the CHRIST . SEE IT and see it clearly .
 
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“Heartful” Belief is the KEY…

I hope you are not serious .

Heartful belief .

You do realize the heart of man is wicked from his youth and up .

GOD is talking about BELEIVING IN HIM from the heart

You contradicting yourself is ridiculously laughable.
 

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The false brethren came out from the little flock Jerusalem church and Antioch held lots of the Jewish believers
I am not understanding this line of discussion from you sorry
Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, 26 and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians Acts11:25&26
Paul and Barnabas met with the church at Antioch and taught them. So, they were part of the BOC.
The decision reached at the council of Jerusalem was taken by letter, by Paul to the church at Antioch, which was in the BOC and read there.
So your explanation as to whom the decision of the council was for is false!!
 

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The church cant be the little flock and the body of Christ because they are two different churches
come on just about the time i think i got you figured out.. you post something off the wall// only one church Jesus did not say upon this rock i will build;d my Churches .. you must be bored to make all this up.honestly this is what i call left field theology. its way out in left field
 

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“Heartful” Belief is the KEY…



You contradicting yourself is ridiculously laughable.
heartfelt beleif IN GOD , IN HIS CHRIST is THE KEY .
many anti christs beleive their faith to their god is very heartfelt . and it is , BUT ITS JUST to the wrong god friend .
I am not the enemy , ecumenical interfaith and its false love lie IS and it will soon take all
to a destination that even the bravest of so uls WILL WEEP IN TERROR when they behold
the second death se tence given by THE GOD and HIS SON whom their love denied . REMEMBER THIS day
cause you are without excuse for you were warned and more than once i mi ght add . GET EVERYONE outta of it
and anything connected to its anti christ intefaith .
 
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heartfelt beleif IN GOD , IN HIS CHRIST is THE KEY .

You contradicted yourself when I said heartfelt belief is the KEY.

God IS Spirit.
A Living Mans Natural spirit is his TRUTH in his Heart.
Communication between a Living Man and God…
IS spirit To Spirit!

Belief in a Living man … EVERY Living Man…IS held in the mans Heart!

The KEY of A Living mans “TRUE” BELIEF, is IN his Heart.
A Living mans BELIEF… is PRECISELY known …
By the Man himself AND God.

Heartful belief of a Living man IS the KEY, for ALL Living men.

Living Men…
EITHER Heartfully Believe IN God…
Or
Heartfully DO NOT Believe IN God…

Living Men…
EITHER Heartfully Believe IN Jesus Dying and Resumed Living…
Or
Heartfully DO NOT Believe IN Jesus Dying and Resumed Living.

Living Men…
Either Heartfully Believe Jesus IS the Christ Messiah.
Or
Heartfully DO NOT Believe Jesus IS the Christ Messiah.

It IS precisely “WHAT” “ANY” individual living man BELIEVES…IN his Heart… at the EXACT moment of His Bodily Death…
Which “Determines”…
AFTER such bodily Death…
“IF”…
Christ Will Save that dead man’s living soul…
“IF”…
God Will Save that dead man’s living soul…
OR
“IF”
That dead man’s “living soul” will be Sent TO Hell.

Yes, precisely as I said…
The BELIEF in the Heart is “KEY”.


Each living man “decides, freely chooses” his own precise Heartful Belief.

Christ the Lord God…”contends” ie.
“Saves or Not the (living) souls of men”…
IF, WHEN, HOW, WHY precisely as Scripture Reveals.


@ WPM
@ jeffweeder


Glory to God,
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Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, 26 and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians Acts11:25&26
Paul and Barnabas met with the church at Antioch and taught them. So, they were part of the BOC.
The decision reached at the council of Jerusalem was taken by letter, by Paul to the church at Antioch, which was in the BOC and read there.
So your explanation as to whom the decision of the council was for is false!!
[Acts 15:7 KJV] "And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men [and] brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe."..............The Gentiles the council met about were the ones who believed Peter's preaching. This occurred in Acts 10................
[Acts 10:44 KJV] "While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word."
[Acts 10:45 KJV] "And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost."...............please show me another scriptural account where Peter converted Gentiles
 

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[Acts 15:7 KJV] "And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men [and] brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe."..............The Gentiles the council met about were the ones who believed Peter's preaching. This occurred in Acts 10................
[Acts 10:44 KJV] "While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word."
[Acts 10:45 KJV] "And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost."...............please show me another scriptural account where Peter converted Gentiles
Could you actually address what I wrote please:
Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, 26 and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians Acts11:25&26
Paul and Barnabas met with the church at Antioch and taught them. So, they were part of the BOC.
The decision reached at the council of Jerusalem was taken by letter, by Paul to the church at Antioch, which was in the BOC and read there.
So your explanation as to whom the decision of the council was for is false!!
 

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come on just about the time i think i got you figured out.. you post something off the wall// only one church Jesus did not say upon this rock i will build;d my Churches .. you must be bored to make all this up.honestly this is what i call left field theology. its way out in left field
Here is an answer I gave about there being just one church:
So there is one church that Jesus built and made Peter and the eleven apostles. To be one of the twelve they had to have been with Christ since John's baptism............[Acts 1:22 KJV] "Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection."...........Paul was NOT ordained to be a witness from John's baptism, so he couldn't be an apostle along with the twelve in the church Christ built.

Paul is said to be an apostle in scripture. If there is only one church with apostles established by Christ how could Paul be an apostle in it?
 

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This will examine the assertion that there is only one church.

Body, like gathering, assembly, group, team, coalition, even flock.

Church comes from ekklesia, "a called-out congregation," the elect, the sanctified or set apart ones, those with oil in their lamps.

The Spirit, the Kingdom of Heaven, the Truth, the Faith, the Way, the Life, the Light, Jesus Christ is the Son of God; our Lord and Savior.

Sounds to me like unity, but with some lies causing contention and division.
 

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Could you actually address what I wrote please:
Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, 26 and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians Acts11:25&26
Paul and Barnabas met with the church at Antioch and taught them. So, they were part of the BOC.
The decision reached at the council of Jerusalem was taken by letter, by Paul to the church at Antioch, which was in the BOC and read there.
So your explanation as to whom the decision of the council was for is false!!
I did......you said So your explanation as to whom the decision of the council was for is false!!........I showed you what Gentiles they met about

I will evaluate your claim that the Gentiles were in the BOC later sorry busy
 

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Here is an answer I gave about there being just one church:
So there is one church that Jesus built and made Peter and the eleven apostles. To be one of the twelve they had to have been with Christ since John's baptism............[Acts 1:22 KJV] "Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection."...........Paul was NOT ordained to be a witness from John's baptism, so he couldn't be an apostle along with the twelve in the church Christ built.

Paul is said to be an apostle in scripture. If there is only one church with apostles established by Christ how could Paul be an apostle in it?
come on doug i take you as a person who knows the Bible ..but what your trying to say is pure speculation and not scripture paul is a apostle who had seen the Christ
 
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Here is an answer I gave about there being just one church:
So there is one church that Jesus built and made Peter and the eleven apostles. To be one of the twelve they had to have been with Christ since John's baptism............[Acts 1:22 KJV] "Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection."...........Paul was NOT ordained to be a witness from John's baptism, so he couldn't be an apostle along with the twelve in the church Christ built.

Paul is said to be an apostle in scripture. If there is only one church with apostles established by Christ how could Paul be an apostle in it?
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For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. to build there must be a foundation .. the foundation was built at calvary that is the only foundation for the one Church we was wise master builders build upon..
 
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and WHO does THIS ONE HOLY SPIRIT TESTIFY OF
JESUS THE CHRIST . And whose words would he bring to remembrance
THE VERY WORDS OF JESUS .
Let us keep that in mind when any , whether man , woman , child , donkey or angel , even thought
comes along
and tries to imply that there are good people in all religoins who are serving the same GOD the t rue christains do .
IMPOSSIBLE .
JESUS told those who beleived not on HIM ,
HAD you beleived moses you would have BELEIVED ME . so yes the muslims might claim to
BUT L IES .
JESUs said to those who believed not , YOU DO NOT HAVE THE LOVE OF GOD IN YOU .
So then how do these other religions have the love of GOD in them , WHEN THEY DENY CHRIST JESUS
and at most follow another jesus .
JESUS said IF YE LOVED ME you would KEEP my sayings .
And now a word of reminder by which to again stir us up ,
BUT WE HAVE ONE FATHER , GOD . so take note they DID CLIAM to BELEIVE ON GOD
and yet DID NOT BELEIVE ON JESUS .
And what did and who did JESUS say was their fa ther . THE DEVIL . so i highly suggest
yet ag ain , that we get anyone out of ecumeincal intefaith and fast .
and lastly one more reminder
IF even cornelious who did many good works , many prayers and alms
HAD to hear and b eleive the gospel TO be saved , WELL THEN how can anyone else save themselves .
WITH MAN IT IS IMPOSSIBLE , BUT NOT with GOD . And GOD has chosen HOW to save the world .
BY the preaching of the gospel to save those who ......................BELEIVE .
And one more thing
I challenge anyone to show me any of these so called g ood people who walk this earth .
CAUSE the last time i checked T HERE IS NONE WHO IS GOOD BUT GOD . all fall short .
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Could you actually address what I wrote please:
Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, 26 and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians Acts11:25&26
Paul and Barnabas met with the church at Antioch and taught them. So, they were part of the BOC.
The decision reached at the council of Jerusalem was taken by letter, by Paul to the church at Antioch, which was in the BOC and read there.
So your explanation as to whom the decision of the council was for is false!!
[Acts 11:19 KJV] "Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.".........No Gentiles were being preached to. We have to be careful in assuming which church is being referred to in Galatians 2 and Acts 15. There were churches in Antioch before Paul was saved. Paul persecuted the little flock Jerusalem church and they were scattered as far as Antioch. These churches were not body of Christ churches, they were the little flock Jerusalem churches.

[Acts 15:1 KJV] "And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, [and said], Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.".........If they came down from Judea, chances are these men who said the Gentile believers had to be circumcised were not from the body of Christ, but from the little flock church (I will explain). ........ [Acts 15:2 KJV] "When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.".........Paul and Barnabas disputed with the men from Judea, not with the body of Christ members. It was decided that Paul and Barnabas and some of "them" from Judea should go to Jerusalem about this matter.
Paul could not have been disputing about matters within his ministry, but was dealing with stipulations being imposed on Gentile believers by some of the believing circumcision little flock..........[Galatians 1:22 KJV] "And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:".........Paul says the churches of Judea were in Christ; the Jews in the little flock who believed on the name of Christ were in Christ, not just those in the body of Christ. ........Paul was unknown to the churches of Judea who only knew he persecuted them. That is why I said that those who came down from Judea weren't in the body of Christ, the churches of Judea didn't know Paul..........[Galatians 1:23 KJV] "But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.".......It is very doubtful that those from Judea were in the body of Christ.

There were also some believing Pharisees who were in the little flock, who also said the Gentiles had to keep the law........[Acts 15:5 KJV] "But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses."
[Acts 15:6 KJV] "And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter."

[Galatians 2:3 KJV] "But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:"
[Galatians 2:4 KJV] "And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:"........These false brethren were from the little flock. Paul distinguishes the body of Christ as being those to whom it is said, the false brethren came to spy out "OUR liberty", and in saying, which "WE have", which did not include the false brethren from the little flock. The little flock wanted to bring the body of Christ, "US', into bondage.

[Acts 15:22 KJV] "Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; [namely], Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:".........The apostle and elders sent chosen men of their own company which is those of the little flock, NOT of the body of Christ along with Paul and Barnabas. This wasn't done by Paul alone. They were sent to the WHOLE church, both the body of Christ and the little flock churches.
[Acts 15:23 KJV] "And they wrote [letters] by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren [send] greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:"
[Acts 15:24 KJV] "Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:".......It is certain that those who said the Gentiles had to keep the law of Moses were from the little flock churches and not the body of Christ members.
[Acts 15:25 KJV] "It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,"........They sent believing little flock members WITH Paul and Barnabas.

The little flock church are those who believed the preaching of Jesus and the twelve. They believed only on the name of Jesus, that he was Christ, the Son of God, and had life by his name. They were persecuted and scattered under Paul. They were still in existence during the conversion and early ministry of Paul. The elders and apostles from the little flock church met with Paul in the Jerusalem council in Acts 15. The dispute arose from the little flock saying that Gentiles would have to follow the law of Moses. The little flock were the ones who disputed with Paul. This question would have impacted Paul who was preaching liberty in Christ and that Gentiles weren't under the law.