Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

[LoveYeshua]

Is it? Paul tells us we must die to the law in order to bear fruit for God, we are released from the law and serve in the new way of the Spirit, not the old way of the written code/law. He gave an example of one of the TC concerning this

can you quote the verse for what you wrote please:"He gave an example of one of the TC concerning this"

 

[saved by grace 101]

can you quote the verse for what you wrote please:"He gave an example of one of the TC concerning this"

So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET/ONE OF THE TC.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. Rom7:4-13

 

[LoveYeshua]

Why do you need the ''TC'' Don't you know in your mind God does not want you to steal, commit adultery, covet, bear false witness, take His name in vain, murder?
Wouldnt you say in your heart(the flesh is another matter) you do not want to do those things?
Is all of this not instinctively known to you in your most inward parts?
I will write me laws in their minds
And place them on their hearts

What about the first four commandments, would you know them instinctively? No one could but they are important to God, since he gave them and wrote them first with his own finger on stone!

 

[saved by grace 101]

What about the first four commandments, would you know them instinctively?

ALL(ALL) applicable law from those commands can be known instinctively-YES
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements(NOT SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS) of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

 

[LoveYeshua]

So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET/ONE OF THE TC.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. Rom7:4-13

i am giving you one last try;

This passage does not mean the Ten Commandments are finished. Paul is talking about being released from the condemnation of the law, not from obedience to God’s commandments.

Jesus said plainly, “If you would enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17 ASV). Nothing Paul ever wrote can cancel Jesus’ words.

When Paul says we “died to the law,” he means we died to the old way of serving God without the Holy Spirit, a life where sin ruled us. The law showed our sin, but could not change our heart.

Now, through Jesus, we serve “in newness of the Spirit,” meaning the same commandments, but kept with a new heart.

That is why Paul immediately says in verse 12, “the commandment is holy, and righteous, and good.”

If the commandments were abolished, Paul could not call them holy and good.

Jesus taught the commandments. Paul is saying the same thing:
the law shows what sin is, and the Spirit gives us power to obey from the heart.

 

[LoveYeshua]

@saved by grace 101
:Remember the sabbath? if you never heard of it from pure instinct?

 

[LoveYeshua]

Apparently he's trying to live under the Old Covenant and wants Moses as High Priest instead of Jesus





You have the Lord sounding like Popeye View attachment 77867

It's the Law of Christ He's writing on people's hearts, not the old testament laws.

i think he does not see the distinction between of the law of Moses and the TC

 

[saved by grace 101]

i am giving you one last try;

This passage does not mean the Ten Commandments are finished. Paul is talking about being released from the condemnation of the law, not from obedience to God’s commandments.

Jesus said plainly, “If you would enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17 ASV). Nothing Paul ever wrote can cancel Jesus’ words.

When Paul says we “died to the law,” he means we died to the old way of serving God without the Holy Spirit, a life where sin ruled us. The law showed our sin, but could not change our heart.

Now, through Jesus, we serve “in newness of the Spirit,” meaning the same commandments, but kept with a new heart.

That is why Paul immediately says in verse 12, “the commandment is holy, and righteous, and good.”

If the commandments were abolished, Paul could not call them holy and good.

Jesus taught the commandments. Paul is saying the same thing:
the law shows what sin is, and the Spirit gives us power to obey from the heart.

Youre giving me one last try? I find that amusing. Read the new covenant
It is no longer an external law, but an internal law. Applicale law from the TC is written in the minds and placed on the hearts of believers
Their sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more
Lets put it another way for you, absolutely, what is written in that law is holy, just and good, but it brought condemnation, so God transferred applicable law from a law engraved in stone and placed it in the hearts and minds of believers. At the same time he did that, he took away mans condemnation under the law:
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more

 

[saved by grace 101]

i think he does not see the distinction between of the law of Moses and the TC

Really? I know none of the law of Moses is in my heart and mind

 

[saved by grace 101]

@saved by grace 101
:Remember the sabbath? if you never heard of it from pure instinct?

Glad you mentioned that. Paul said we can know by instinct ALL applicable law, but you would not have known that law without firstly reading of law written in ink would you, that is not where the law now is!

 

[LoveYeshua]

Youre giving me one last try? I find that amusing. Read the new covenant
It is no longer an external law, but an internal law. Applicale law from the TC is written in the minds and placed on the hearts of believers
Their sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more
Lets put it another way for you, absolutely, what is written in that law is holy, just and good, but it brought condemnation, so God transferred applicable law from a law engraved in stone and placed it in the hearts and minds of believers. At the same time he did that, he took away mans condemnation under the law:
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more

then why do you ask everyone :"Is it possible for you now to obey all the commands?" like it is not possible?

 

[saved by grace 101]

i think he does not see the distinction between of the law of Moses and the TC

Here’s Paul’s core gospel message in a nutshell:

The power of sin is the law 1Cor15:56 The legally binding law with the power to condemn.

But as Paul states, the law, what is written in it is holy, just and good (Rom7:12)

So what was God to do? He obviously would want to remove the power of sin, but he would not want to remove what is holy just and good.
The law comes in two parts, what is written in the law and the attached penalty for transgression. Nothing wrong at all with the first part, it is holy, just and good, its the second part that's the problem

So God did an incredible thing. He transferred the law/what is written in it, from an external law engraved in stone, and made it an internal law in the hearts and minds of believers(2Cor3:3&Heb10:15-17)) An external law does not mean you in your heart would want to obey it does it. But a law placed in your heart, does mean in your heart you want to follow it. So, what is holy, just and good remains intact, it is now in your heart and mind. It simply means in your mind you know how God wants you to live and in your heart you want to live that way. In your heart you do not want to murder, steal, commit adultery, covet, take the Lords name in vain etc. Hardly legalism! The law/what is written in the law that is now in your heart and mind cannot condemn you, you have no righteousness of obeying it, for Jesus died for your sins/your transgressions of the law: your sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more

Because, and only because you in your heart want to live as God desires you to live, he removed the penalty attached to the law for transgression from your life. He sent Jesus to die for your sins/your transgressions of the law. Therefore, the legally binding law with the power to condemn is removed from you. And therefore, the power of sin is also now removed from your life.

With the power of sin removed from your life, you can now live a far holier life, a life you in your heart want to live for that is where the law now is. And you can do that because you are not under law/righteousness of obeying the law, but under grace/righteousness of faith in Christ. Christ died to pay the penalty of your sin, and he died to break the power of sin. And so Paul states:

Do we then make void the law by faith/righteousness of faith in Christ not obeying the law? God forbid: Yea, we establish the law Rom3:31

And:

For sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law/ righteousness of obeying the law, but under grace/righteousness of faith in Christ. Rom 6:14

 

[LoveYeshua]

Glad you mentioned that. Paul said we can know by instinct ALL applicable law, but you would not have known that law without firstly reading of law written in ink would you, that is not where the law now is!

for many the law is NOT in their hearts yet that is certain. I am not pointing at you here.

 

[saved by grace 101]

then why do you ask everyone :"Is it possible for you now to obey all the commands?" like it is not possible?

Well you tell me. If you do not fully obey the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break, are you committing wilfull disobedience to God, because the TC can fully be obeyed?

 

[saved by grace 101]

for many the law is NOT in their hearts yet that is certain. I am not pointing at you here.

I don't judge anyone, not my place. But I went to a church on a Saturday once to please a friend for a while. They all continually stated ''You must obey the TC''. The second week I was there two women were laughing and joking as they transgressed one of the TC apparantly unaware they were transgressing one of the commands they insisted must be obeyed. I was shocked and stunned to my core to witness what I was witnessing. I saw more flagrant transgressing of the TC in that church than any church I have ever been to on a Sunday. I suppose, if I had mind to, I could wonder if the law was in their hearts and minds, but I always quickly dismiss such a notion, for it is not my place to judge that

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

What about the first four commandments, would you know them instinctively? No one could but they are important to God, since he gave them and wrote them first with his own finger on stone!

The 10 Commandments are actually repeated in the New Covenant under the Law of Christ although they are no longed called the Ten Commandments by the Lord.

Under the New Covenant the Lord says this - Only those led by the Spirit are the sons of God (Romans 8:14)

If a person is being led by the Holy Spirit they will not be violating the Ten Commandments and they won't be observing Saturday sabbath because that's been upgraded to walking in the rest the Lord provides under the New Covenant 24/7

10 Commandments Repeated in the New Testament

#1 - Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind (Matthew 22:37)

#2 - Dear children, keep yourself from idols (1 John 5:21)

#3 - Do not swear – not by heaven or by earth or by anything else (James 5:12)

#4 - No Saturday sabbath commanded in the New Testament (sorry bout that SDA peoples!)

#5 - Honor your father and mother (Matthew 19:16-21)

#6 - You shall not murder (Matthew 19:16-21)

#7 - You shall not commit adultery (Matthew 19:16-21)

#8 - You shall not steal (Matthew 19:16-21)

#9 - You shall not give false testimony (Matthew 19:16-21, Revelation 22:15, Revelation 21:8)

#10 - Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry (Colossians 3:5)

Concerning the sabbath in the New Testament, Jesus said come unto me and I'll give you rest (Matthew 11:28-30) so abiding In Christ is the rest we are called to in the New Testament

 

[LoveYeshua]

Well you tell me. If you do not fully obey the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break, are you committing wilfull disobedience to God, because the TC can fully be obeyed?

you contradict yourself from previous posts again, I am tired from this charade.

 

[saved by grace 101]

you contradict yourself from previous posts again, I am tired from this charade.

No contradiction whatsoever, I think you have to make an excuse to leave the discussion. You believe the TC can fully be obeyed. So, according to your belief, if you do not fully obey the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break, are you living in wilfull disobedience to God, or wilfull sin??

 

[Button]

The people actually closest to God REPENT and quit walking after the flesh and live like they have been made New Creatures in Christ Jesus, as though they have actually been born again

The slow ones ignore God's Word and continue living after the flesh and go around proudly proclaiming "I'm still a sinner" as though they are pleasing unto the Lord.

The only person they are pleasing is the devil by their continued walking after the flesh which makes them corrupt.




That's what the OSAS people do as they like to engage in a little sinful behavior every now and again if not "sin in thought word and deed daily" and some claim they do.

OSAS is intended as a pejorative?
When it refers to the eternal life in the Salvation of Christ.
And we know,those in Christ do not make a habit of sinning. I think it's unfair to think Christians can choose to sin because we're eternally saved.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

And we know,those in Christ do not make a habit of sinning

So is a child molester gets born again and only molests children every now and again as to not make it a "habit" then he's still saved?

OSAS is intended as a pejorative?

It's false doctrine, doctrines of demons