Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

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So is a child molester gets born again and only molests children every now and again as to not make it a "habit" then he's still saved?

Active child molesters are born again?

It's false doctrine, doctrines of demons

Woe to you for judging the teachings of Jesus that way.
You apparently don't understand them.

 

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And what is your understanding, to tell people to do what you do not even try to do yourself?
In over fifty years I have met no one who even tried to obey each and every command of Christ in the gospels, but I read many comments on the internet making the statement we must obey Christ's commands. That is never qualified with an admittance the person making the statement does not themself try and obey all the commands themself.
You do not obey each and every command of Christ in the gospels and the TC do you. Why not? Are you in wilfull rebellion against God? Or do you just know you cannot fully obey them all? So how is someone going to feel if you insist to them they must obey all the commands mentioned? Well if they are sincere, they will get crushed if they believed you, they may believe you yourself are obeying all the commands you insist they must. They then get crushed by their inability to do what you cannot do.
Maybe you think it is fine to make statements, insist of others what you cannot do yourself, I cannot do that, I have many faults, but not that. I know how crushed people get by the insistances of others who do not practice what they preach. It is not obeying the second greatest commandment.
Best way to approach Jesus commands is as Paul tells us:
Carry each others burdens(love them) and so fulfill the law of Christ Gal6:2
The more you love someone the more you will be prepared to carry a heavy load for them not one mile but two
The more you love someone the more you will prepared to lend to them without expecting anything back.
The more you love your enemy, the more likely you are to offer him more than what he stole from you
The more you love beggars, the blind and lame the more likely you are to invite them home for a meal. etc
Much better to say that, than make statements such as you must obey Christ's commands when you are not trying to do that yourself.
Maybe thinking of the harm you could do others doesn't matter, all that matters is insisting of them what you do not insist of yourself

You've never met a Christian who worships God only? Who does not steal? Does not lie? Does not commit adultery against their spouse?
Who does not envy what others have?

 

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You've never met a Christian who worships God only? Who does not steal? Does not lie? Does not commit adultery against their spouse?
Who does not envy what others have?

I wrote:
''In over fifty years I have met no one who even tried to obey each and every command of Christ in the gospels''

How many have you come across?

 

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Active child molesters are born again?

That's my point - if a child molester got born again he is expected to stop molesting children

Sames goes for cigarette smokers, booze drinkers, those that use foul language, those that teach heresy such as OSAS, etc etc because we know the Holy Spirit does not lead anybody to do any of these things or to molest children

Woe to you for judging the teachings of Jesus that way.

Woe to you for claiming Jesus taught the heresy of OSAS

You apparently don't understand them.

I'm quit familiar with the heretical doctrine of OSAS

It's not biblical and one must reject the whole counsel of God to follow OSAS heresy

 

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I wrote:
''In over fifty years I have met no one who even tried to obey each and every command of Christ in the gospels''

How many have you come across?

Aren't you one?

 

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Aren't you one?

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Aren't you one?

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As you know, Im talking about Jesus specific commands in the gospels. Don't let yourself down

 

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That's my point - if a child molester got born again he is expected to stop molesting children

You do not understand.
A person who molests children is not born again.

Sames goes for cigarette smokers, booze drinkers, those that use foul language, those that teach heresy such as OSAS, etc etc because we know the Holy Spirit does not lead anybody to do any of these things or to molest children

You condemn eternal Salvation in Christ using examples that do not apply to those who are actually born again, to do so.

Woe to you for claiming Jesus taught the heresy of OSAS

You condemn what you do not know.
What you do not know speaks loudly and arrogantly against God and his faithful.

I'm quit familiar with the heretical doctrine of OSAS

It's not biblical and one must reject the whole counsel of God to follow OSAS heresy

 

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As you know, Im talking about Jesus specific commands in the gospels. Don't let yourself down

I see you didn't recognize the specific commands of Jesus. Even when posted as an image.

I'll never be let down when Jesus carries me aright.

 

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As you know, Im talking about Jesus specific commands in the gospels. Don't let yourself down

So you reject the leading of the Holy Spirit?

He always leads God's people to obey so since you claim you don't obey you must be rejecting the leading of the Holy Spirit then

Only those led by the Spirit are the sons of God (Romans 8:14)

James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You do not understand.
A person who molests children is not born again.

My point is... IF a person who was a child molester and they got born again, they would STOP molesting children

But, if we go by OSAS doctrine that claims we just sin less... then the OSAS people would say the child molester is still saved as long as he molests fewer children

You condemn eternal Salvation in Christ using examples that do not apply to those who are actually born again, to do so.

So you agree that after getting born again Real Christians stop living in sin then, right?

You condemn what you do not know.
What you do not know speaks loudly and arrogantly against God and his faithful.

You just proved you are ignorant of what Jesus taught.

Jesus did not teach OSAS heresy as you and others following heresy suppose

OSAS teaches one is still saved if they live in sin and the only repercussions for living in sin is they lose a few rewards

Jesus teaches those that don't abide in Him baring fruit are cut off the vine by the Father.

John 15:1,2
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

John 15:5
IF A MAN ABIDE NOT IN ME, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

*** WHO... is to do the abiding according to Jesus???? That’s right, WE are!

John 15:4,5
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

*** WHO... is to do the abiding according to Jesus???? That’s right, WE are!

John 15:8-10
Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

HOW are we to abide in Christ, thru our own strength and ability???
NO... thru the Lord Who strengthens us!

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.



Those that Turned Away from the Lord
(*They were born again... turned away from the Lord, and became UN-saved)

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when THEY will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And THEY shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

James 5:19,20
Brethren, if any of YOU do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

*By addressing this to “BRETHREN” we know this is speaking to believers who turned from the truth and if they are converted back to the truth, the soul of the person that had fallen away is being saved from spiritual death which is separation from God.

2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (no self control, living after the flesh), and denying (contradicting, opposing Jesus’ teachings) the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (referring to false teachers and false brethren - see Matthew 13:24-30)

(Deny = Strong's G0720… to contradict, disavow, reject, deny, refuse - and Strong's G4483… the idea of pouring forth, to utter, speak of or say, command)

Jude 1:17-21
Remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These are those who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
But you, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

("those who separate themselves" is not referring to sinners in the world who were never joined unto the Lord in the first place)

 

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My point is... IF a person who was a child molester and they got born again, they would STOP molesting children

Of course.

But, if we go by OSAS doctrine that claims we just sin less... then the OSAS people would say the child molester is still saved as long as he molests fewer children

That's the concoction the enemy devised. Don't you see it?
The enemy takes the truth of eternal Salvation and then says, you can sin and still be assured Heaven.

Which is a lie from the king of lies.
It was devised to condemn Eternal Salvation itself.

And those without understanding of the truth,just as the enemy intended, believe it. That eternal Salvation can't be true if we are expected to be sinless all our lives after.

But, if we sin a little bit we are still saved forever. And that then means we haven't really changed at all.

Eternal. The word itself guarantees permenancy of God's Salvific seal and covenant.

The difference between us,those born again,and the carnal ,is that we know what sin is. Because we were once condemned in our sins in separation from God.
When we were reborn,we cast off that dead husk that was oblivious to righteousness and deaf to the words ,leading,of God.

The enemy that seeks to corrupt the doctrine of eternal Salvation doesn't realize this.
He wants to lead people away from Jesus,and to condemn eternal Salvation by thinking it means we can full on sin and see Heaven.
He intends to conflate his lies with the teachings of Jesus so that they are dismissed.

Those in Christ do not make a habit of sinning. If we do sin,we recognize that and repent of it. And we have an advocate,Jesus,in Heaven who stands for us as we are his own.

We are eternally Saved. Nothing changes this.
Which is why the enemy took the acronym that actually reiterates that fact,OSAS,and corrupted it as to say,a license to sin.

Here's what old scratch doesn't know.
All who are in Christ know that's a lie.
We also know and live assured, once we are saved we are eternally saved..

Which insured we are no longer property of the enemy.
Which is why he lies and claims we are.

OSAS doesn't insult Christ's own. It's the Gospel truth covenant in three letters.

And it doesn't become what the enemy says of it just because he said it.
In fact, the enemy thinking once saved always saved is a license to sin not only proves himself a liar still. It proves he has no idea what Jesus taught.

His lie cannot overcome God's truth.

So you agree that after getting born again Real Christians stop living in sin then, right?

What did Jesus teach?

You just proved you are ignorant of what Jesus taught.

OK

Jesus did not teach OSAS heresy as you and others following heresy suppose

OSAS teaches one is still saved if they live in sin and the only repercussions for living in sin is they lose a few rewards

Jesus teaches those that don't abide in Him baring fruit are cut off the vine by the Father.

John 15:1,2
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

John 15:5
IF A MAN ABIDE NOT IN ME, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

*** WHO... is to do the abiding according to Jesus???? That’s right, WE are!

John 15:4,5
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

*** WHO... is to do the abiding according to Jesus???? That’s right, WE are!

John 15:8-10
Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

HOW are we to abide in Christ, thru our own strength and ability???
NO... thru the Lord Who strengthens us!

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.



Those that Turned Away from the Lord
(*They were born again... turned away from the Lord, and became UN-saved)

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when THEY will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And THEY shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

James 5:19,20
Brethren, if any of YOU do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

*By addressing this to “BRETHREN” we know this is speaking to believers who turned from the truth and if they are converted back to the truth, the soul of the person that had fallen away is being saved from spiritual death which is separation from God.

2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (no self control, living after the flesh), and denying (contradicting, opposing Jesus’ teachings) the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (referring to false teachers and false brethren - see Matthew 13:24-30)

(Deny = Strong's G0720… to contradict, disavow, reject, deny, refuse - and Strong's G4483… the idea of pouring forth, to utter, speak of or say, command)

Jude 1:17-21
Remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These are those who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
But you, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

("those who separate themselves" is not referring to sinners in the world who were never joined unto the Lord in the first place)

 

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I see you didn't recognize the specific commands of Jesus. Even when posted as an image.

I'll never be let down when Jesus carries me aright.

You surprise me, I expected better. However, as a believer said on another website:
'If people have the TC written in their minds and placed on their heart, how can they believe they fully obey them''
A very insightful question I thought

 

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You surprise me, I expected better. However, as a believer said on another website:
'If people have the TC written in their minds and placed on their heart, how can they believe they fully obey them''
A very insightful question I thought

You obviously can't recognize better.

Because you lie,steal,murder,worship false gods,idols,commit adultery,covet your neighbors goods, disrespect your parents and take the Lord's name in vain.

See how that works when someone like you believes someone on another website who doesn't know the Gospel?

So many unbelievers on the web. Doing their part to sully the truth of Christ.
You should know better.

 

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You obviously can't recognize better.

Because you lie,steal,murder,worship false gods,idols,commit adultery,covet your neighbors goods, disrespect your parents and take the Lord's name in vain.

See how that works when someone like you believes someone on another website who doesn't know the Gospel?

So many unbelievers on the web. Doing their part to sully the truth of Christ.
You should know better.

Well as you are now bearing false witness against me, I have to wonder how much you truly care about obeying the TC! To be honest, I could not break what is written in those commands so casually, where applicable law is concerned. Only those with a shallow understanding of those commands can convince themselves they fully obey them. How can anyone be in ignorance of what those commands demand, if that law were in their heart and mind?

 

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Well as you are now bearing false witness against me, I have to wonder how much you truly care about obeying the TC! To be honest, I could not break what is written in those commands so casually, where applicable law is concerned. Only those with a shallow understanding of those commands can convince themselves they fully obey them. How can anyone be in ignorance of what those commands demand, if that law were in their heart and mind?

Nope. My post was saying what you defended as truth about the commandments earlier,and your using an example of someone else in a website agreeing with your pov.

 

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Nope. My post was saying what you defended as truth about the commandments earlier,and your using an example of someone else in a website agreeing with your pov.

But its true, you only have a shallow understanding of what obeying that law entails, which is why you keep stressing them. I like your excuse for not transgressing them!

 

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But its true, you only have a shallow understanding of what obeying that law entails, which is why you keep stressing them. I like your excuse for not transgressing them!

You can never judge my understanding given what you've revealed of your lack thereof.

You cannot even follow the line of thought you initiated.

Please stop talking to me.

 

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You can never judge my understanding given what you've revealed of your lack thereof.

You cannot even follow the line of thought you initiated.

Please stop talking to me.

Empty statement in the circumstances. You need much more conviction as to what is entailed in obeying the TC

 

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Empty statement in the circumstances. You need much more conviction as to what is entailed in obeying the TC

You are not what you claim to be.
Get behind me.