WOMEN AREN'T TO SPEAK IN TONGUES IN THE CHURCH

[Doug]

[1 Corinthians 14:34 KJV] "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.".........Women are to keep silence in churches. This verse is saying Women are not to speak in tongues.

[1 Corinthians 12:28 KJV] "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues."........This verse says God has set SOME in the church, not ALL, to speak in tongues.

In the following verses only men speak in tongues. There is no verse that attributes speaking in tongues or permits women to speak in tongues..........[1 Corinthians 14:4 KJV] "He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church."
[1 Corinthians 14:5 KJV] "I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater [is] he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying."
[1 Corinthians 14:13 KJV] "Wherefore let him that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue pray that he may interpret."
[1 Corinthians 14:27 KJV] "If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret."

 

[Triumph1300]

Here we go again........

 

[talons]

.Women are to keep silence in churches. This verse is saying Women are not to speak in tongues.

If you had a better understanding of speaking in tongues you would understand it is the Holy Spirit doing the speaking a man or woman is only the vessel that the Holy Spirit is using to speak .

I have seen ladies in the church speak in tongues as the Holy Spirit gave the utterance with interpretation following and then the glory was given to God .

 

[Triumph1300]

I wonder how it is that he explicitly forbids them to speak "They are not allowed to speak", but then a mere four verses later he is instructing 'brothers and sisters' to be eager to prophesy, and speak in tongues.

 

[ScottA]

It's not just for women:

"But now, brethren" (vs 6)...

• 1 Corinthians 14:28
  But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God.
  In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
• 1 Corinthians 14:34
  Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.

 

[Triumph1300]

And on it goes.
The ones speaking against it are the ones missing out.
(Mostly Baptists)
Sad.
I saw these discussions many times.
Just a waste of time commenting.
Be prepared to see lots of scriptures to come your way and out of context.
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[ScottA]

I wonder how it is that he explicitly forbids them to speak "They are not allowed to speak", but then a mere four verses later he is instructing 'brothers and sisters' to be eager to prophesy, and speak in tongues.

It is because the scenario was designed by God.

As we should expect...as words form God come "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little", in Ephesians 5 Paul explains the reason and answer to your question, "is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church." Which is to say, as he was referring to the Church--men and women alike--as being the Bride of Christ (women). Which is a Holy Spirit interpretation given to Paul of an otherwise confusing tongue.

Such are the mysteries of God and His use of parable language, some of which are given through real life experiences and historic accounts otherwise unrelated. The Psalms of David for instance were written by David of real life and times of suffering--his own suffering--but also came to be prophetic regarding the suffering of Christ...and David probably didn't even know.

 

[Doug]

Here we go again........

You seem to think women are given Pauline authority to speak in tongues, do you?

 

[Triumph1300]

 

[Triumph1300]

As you can see Pauline is just fine, Doug!

 

[Fred J]

[1 Corinthians 14:34 KJV] "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.".........Women are to keep silence in churches. This verse is saying Women are not to speak in tongues.

[1 Corinthians 12:28 KJV] "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues."........This verse says God has set SOME in the church, not ALL, to speak in tongues.

In the following verses only men speak in tongues. There is no verse that attributes speaking in tongues or permits women to speak in tongues..........[1 Corinthians 14:4 KJV] "He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church."
[1 Corinthians 14:5 KJV] "I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater [is] he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying."
[1 Corinthians 14:13 KJV] "Wherefore let him that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue pray that he may interpret."
[1 Corinthians 14:27 KJV] "If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret."

Doug, Doug, Doug, before you teach others, teach yourself first, for teachers will be greatly judge according to the epistle of James.

Women who are to remain 'silent', Paul's referring to those who are in the 'audience', and not those women 'serving' in the front facing the church audience speaking in tongues.

Men and women who speak in tongues at the front must 'interpret' (or pray for interpretation) in the common language which the church audience understand.

And when they finish in tongues and interpreted for the church audience to understand, therefore at the end all of them in agreeance able to say, 'Amen'

By this the whole church is 'edified' and pleases GOD, but if there's no interpretation, they are to be silent and speak within themselves since only there are 'edified'.

Only 2 or 3 are allowed at a time while the others take turns, to speak in tongues and interpret in the front facing the church audience.

Besides 'edifying' the church by tongues and interpretation, 'prophesying' in front of the church audience in the common language all understand, 'builds up' the church.

Now besides 'tongues and interpretation' where women are not prohibited to speak, hence 'prophesying' in front of the church audience are women prohibited?

No!

1 Corinthians 11:
4. Every man praying and prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoreth his Head(Christ).

(Furthermore, if he dishonors Christ as his Head, also same dishonors GOD the FATHER)

5. But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoreth her head(man): for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

(Likewise when she dishonors man as her head, also dishonors FATHER and Son as well of the same body)

6. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be 'covered'.

15. But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: 'for her hair is given her for a covering'.


To conclude, women indeed are not prohibited to 'pray'(even in tongues) and 'prophesy' in front of the church audience.

Therefore, they are allowed to 'pray'(even in tongues) and 'prophesy', provided they have a 'head covering', and a long hair without cutting it short is already a 'covering' for her.

Nevertheless, those with short hair or shaven (even due to medical reasons) ought to place a long piece of cloth covering over her head while praying and prophesying.

(Need not follow the muslim women or catholic nun version or fashion)

Even better for the sake of love for each other, not seeing long or short or shaven hair in comparison, let every women place a cloth covering over their heads when 'praying' and 'prophesying' for the church audience.

On the other hand since the women in the audience too participate together only during prayers (even in tongues) in silence with the sister in front praying (besides prophesying),

Therefore in 'togetherness' they are praying, they too ought to likewise place a covering over their heads as well, overall honoring their 'Heads' in completion.

Henceforth, towards the end of the prayer, all of them in agreeance able to close by saying, Amen.

In regards the cloth covering, it displeases GOD if the born again church women follow the fashion of the unbeliever sects.

The best example can be found in the born again church women of India, where they place a cloth covering of various pattern and design over their heads while praying.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Doug]

If you had a better understanding of speaking in tongues you would understand it is the Holy Spirit doing the speaking a man or woman is only the vessel that the Holy Spirit is using to speak .

I have seen ladies in the church speak in tongues as the Holy Spirit gave the utterance with interpretation following and then the glory was given to God .

Women speak in tongues but the Holy Spirit wouldnt violate the Word of God which doesnt allow women to speak in tongues

 

[JLB]

[1 Corinthians 14:34 KJV] "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.".........Women are to keep silence in churches. This verse is saying Women are not to speak in tongues.

[1 Corinthians 12:28 KJV] "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues."........This verse says God has set SOME in the church, not ALL, to speak in tongues.

In the following verses only men speak in tongues. There is no verse that attributes speaking in tongues or permits women to speak in tongues..........[1 Corinthians 14:4 KJV] "He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church."
[1 Corinthians 14:5 KJV] "I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater [is] he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying."
[1 Corinthians 14:13 KJV] "Wherefore let him that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue pray that he may interpret."
[1 Corinthians 14:27 KJV] "If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret."

Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.
Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached? If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant. Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order. 1 Corinthians 14:34-39

• and do not forbid to speak with tongues.

• Let all things be done decently and in order.

Paul may have had some rules he imposed on the Corinthians because, from what he wrote they were operating out of order.


In a pagan culture that had never heard of Jesus Christ, then all of a sudden there is a mighty revival from an outpouring of the Spirit, things can indeed become disorderly, thus requiring some boundaries to begin to operate in order.


It’s quite possible that the women were operating in the gifts of the Spirit that were totally new to them, and it may have caused a disruption.


So Paul had to try and begin to bring about some orderly spiritual conduct so everyone could benefit and be taught the word and how to move in the gifts.


Paul saw the best way to do this was to allow the men to begin to lead and learn and then teach his family at home.


Now where do I find that Paul stated that the women were not to speak in tongues.

 

[JLB]

Women speak in tongues but the Holy Spirit wouldnt violate the Word of God which doesnt allow women to speak in tongues

‘Where do you find such a statement in scripture?


‘the Word of God which doesnt allow women to speak in tongues”

 

[Doug]

Women who are to remain 'silent', Paul's referring to those who are in the 'audience',

What verse for this please

 

[Doug]

Besides 'edifying' the church by tongues and interpretation, 'prophesying' in front of the church audience in the common language all understand, 'builds up' the church.

We have the completed Word to build the church

 

[Doug]

Paul may have had some rules he imposed on the Corinthians because, from what he wrote they were operating out of order.

Yes tongues would continue until the Word of God was completed
Paul was setting things in order while they existed

 

[JLB]

Yes tongues would continue until the Word of God was completed
Paul was setting things in order while they existed

‘This seems to insinuate that you believe because the condensed the scriptures and the letters into a bible in 1611 that somehow means the Holy Spirit stopped operating through the Church.



Is that what you believe?


The Holy Spirit continues to speak to the Churches through the gifts of the Spirit.

 

[Doug]

‘This seems to insinuate that you believe because the condensed the scriptures and the letters into a bible in 1611 that somehow means the Holy Spirit stopped operating through the Church.



Is that what you believe?


The Holy Spirit continues to speak to the Churches through the gifts of the Spirit.

I was only saying that prophesying and speaking in tongues were to edify the church until the completed Word of God was completed
I said nothing about the KJV 1611
The Holy Spirit is not speaking today. to think otherwise is detrimental

 

[Doug]

Women speak in tongues but the Holy Spirit wouldnt violate the Word of God which doesnt allow women to speak in tongues

Are you willing to give me some scriptures for your belief instead of an imogee