Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

[GodsGrace]

Oh good grief! Says the expert on JW’s...your assertions are a joke.

No more reporting of hours witnessing door to door.
This practice was already in decline after COVID.

Time will tell what kind of an effect it'll have on persons that felt pressured to do this type of witnessing.

Surprised you don't keep up with news about your organization.

Notice that it IS an ORGANIZATION....
and not a church.
It's called THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY.

Sounds like a cult, doesn't it?


source: Jehovah's Witnesses no longer tracking door-to-door hours

 

[Wrangler]

You’ll have to explain that one.....???

Sorry. Autocorrect. A pastor said we’re in the timeline of the 3rd horse of the apocalypse.

 

[Aunty Jane]

No more reporting of hours witnessing door to door.
This practice was already in decline after COVID.

What “practice” was NOT in decline after coved...? Covid stopped the whole world! But it didn’t stop it for long....once we were back at our face to face meetings again, everything got back into full swing.
During the pandemic, we still held all our meetings via zoom....we didn’t miss a thing in our weekly spiritual routine....we just had a change of venue.

We conducted our witnessing by phone or by a hand written letter...and we received some nice replies for our efforts....with people telling us that their own churches never reached out to them during the pandemic.
Bible studies were conducted via email or zoom. Nothing was going to stop the good news being preached!

Time will tell what kind of an effect it'll have on persons that felt pressured to do this type of witnessing.

Who felt pressure to do what Jesus commanded? Hopefully everyone!...it wasn’t a mere recommendation to go out to the people with Christ’s message...if you felt like it....it was a command. Obeying Jesus was part of the requirements for salvation. (Matt 28:19-20; Matt 24:14)

As Paul stated....
“It is only just that God will repay with suffering those who make you suffer and grant relief to you who are suffering, and to us as well. This will take place when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels. He will come in blazing fire to inflict punishment on those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the penalty of eternal destruction, excluded from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power on that Day when he comes to be glorified by his holy ones and to be adored by all believers, among whom you will be present since you believed the testimony we offered to you.

When was the last time a Catholic knocked on your door with the gospel message? (Acts 5:42; Acts 20:20)

Surprised you don't keep up with news about your organization.

I do...but apparently you like to consult anti-JW sources for your information.....it’s better to get it straight from the horse’s mouth rather than a second hand news source...or ex JW’s with an axe to grind.

Notice that it IS an ORGANIZATION....
and not a church.
It's called THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY.

Again you crack me up....tell me when God’s people were not organised for worship?
Was Israel organised for their worship? Were the first Christians not organised into congregations for worship?
Look at you beloved RCC....how organised are they, with their hierarchy....and titles and fancy dress, and synods? Are you hearing yourself? You can call it a “church” if you like but what does God call it?
You do understand what the word “church” means in Greek I hope....it’s not a building.

At a well known verse in Matt 16:18 Jesus says.....

“And I say to you: You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the netherworld will not prevail against it.” (NCB)
What was the Church” that Jesus was going to build? It is his “ekklēsia” which means ....

in a Christian sense...

1. an assembly of Christians gathered for worship in a religious meeting.
2. a company of Christian, or of those who, hoping for eternal salvation through Jesus Christ, observe their own religious rites, hold their own religious meetings, and manage their own affairs, according to regulations prescribed for the body for order's sake.” (Strongs)

So any organised gathering of Christians is an “ekklēsia”....the Church is the people...not the building.
Did you see why they were organised? See #2.

FYI, “The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society” is a legal entity required by law for the printing and distribution of large quantities of Bible literature. There were many Bible Societies when the WT was instituted.
We are not “the Watchtower”....we are Jehovah’s Witnesses. You got that?

Sound like a cult, doesn't it?

LOL....only if you want it to....there are two sides to every story GG...anyone who makes a judgment based on only one side of a story, are judgmental bigots. You believe the negativity because you want to.....not because what you post is actual truth. The devil loves people like you.

You fail to understand that the history of the Catholic church is actual history.....recorded, documented and verifiable by anyone. It isn’t hear-say.

source: Jehovah's Witnesses no longer tracking door-to-door hours

It’s amazing what newspapers will do with a good story…do you believe everything you read in a newspaper...? They have sales to promote....so they never let the truth get in the way of a juicy story.
Fake news sells...or haven’t you noticed? Good editing can make a great story out of nothing.

You do not have a clue about what you are posting by parroting off what our enemies are saying.
Christ warned us about that. (Matt 5:11-12; John 15:18-21) Are you one of them....?

 

[Marvelloustime]

did you know that GOD had set up Israel for to be a people to serve HIM .
He gave them a key city named JERSUALEM , EVEN a holy temple built after the pattern in the heavens .
DID you know , however
that at times HE called it the synangogue of satan .
I am very sor rowful to have to report
That MUCh of this has overtaken even christendom who has went the way as did the jews of old .
Many houses called christain are now syngagoues of satan . AND if people find that hard to beleive .
WELL bring the words ,of JESUS , of the apotestls and prophets into such places
AND watch them do exactly as did the jews
CAST HIS WORDS BEHIND THEM , holler PREACH TO US SMOOTH THINGS
away with this biblical JESUS . I am warning us all
WE DO have a massive delusion and a massive falling away occuring RIGHT NOW and its only getting worse .
GET THEM IN THE BIBLE NOW . WE must simply do as DID JESUS and the apostels
WHOSE concern was not tied into EARTHERN KIN GDOMS of men , of politics and etc
THEY FOCUS was ON JESUS , ON HIS GOSPEL , ON HIS teachings
and their kingdom HEAVENLY . i advise us all to return to the pages of the bible now and let us exhort one another
daily and examine ourselves to see IF we aer walking in the same FAITH as did they .

@amigo de christo

 

[GodsGrace]

What “practice” was NOT in decline after coved...? Covid stopped the whole world! But it didn’t stop it for long....once we were back at our face to face meetings again, everything got back into full swing.
During the pandemic, we still held all our meetings via zoom....we didn’t miss a thing in our weekly spiritual routine....we just had a change of venue.

We conducted our witnessing by phone or by a hand written letter...and we received some nice replies for our efforts....with people telling us that their own churches never reached out to them during the pandemic.
Bible studies were conducted via email or zoom. Nothing was going to stop the good news being preached!

Who felt pressure to do what Jesus commanded? Hopefully everyone!...it wasn’t a mere recommendation to go out to the people with Christ’s message...if you felt like it....it was a command. Obeying Jesus was part of the requirements for salvation. (Matt 28:19-20; Matt 24:14)

As Paul stated....
“It is only just that God will repay with suffering those who make you suffer and grant relief to you who are suffering, and to us as well. This will take place when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels. He will come in blazing fire to inflict punishment on those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the penalty of eternal destruction, excluded from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power on that Day when he comes to be glorified by his holy ones and to be adored by all believers, among whom you will be present since you believed the testimony we offered to you.

When was the last time a Catholic knocked on your door with the gospel message? (Acts 5:42; Acts 20:20)

I do...but apparently you like to consult anti-JW sources for your information.....it’s better to get it straight from the horse’s mouth rather than a second hand news source...or ex JW’s with an axe to grind.

Again you crack me up....tell me when God’s people were not organised for worship?
Was Israel organised for their worship? Were the first Christians not organised into congregations for worship?
Look at you beloved RCC....how organised are they, with their hierarchy....and titles and fancy dress, and synods? Are you hearing yourself? You can call it a “church” if you like but what does God call it?
You do understand what the word “church” means in Greek I hope....it’s not a building.

At a well known verse in Matt 16:18 Jesus says.....

“And I say to you: You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the netherworld will not prevail against it.” (NCB)
What was the Church” that Jesus was going to build? It is his “ekklēsia” which means ....

in a Christian sense...

1. an assembly of Christians gathered for worship in a religious meeting.
2. a company of Christian, or of those who, hoping for eternal salvation through Jesus Christ, observe their own religious rites, hold their own religious meetings, and manage their own affairs, according to regulations prescribed for the body for order's sake.” (Strongs)

So any organised gathering of Christians is an “ekklēsia”....the Church is the people...not the building.
Did you see why they were organised? See #2.

FYI, “The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society” is a legal entity required by law for the printing and distribution of large quantities of Bible literature. There were many Bible Societies when the WT was instituted.
We are not “the Watchtower”....we are Jehovah’s Witnesses. You got that?

LOL....only if you want it to....there are two sides to every story GG...anyone who makes a judgment based on only one side of a story, are judgmental bigots. You believe the negativity because you want to.....not because what you post is actual truth. The devil loves people like you.

You fail to understand that the history of the Catholic church is actual history.....recorded, documented and verifiable by anyone. It isn’t hear-say.

It’s amazing what newspapers will do with a good story…do you believe everything you read in a newspaper...? They have sales to promote....so they never let the truth get in the way of a juicy story.
Fake news sells...or haven’t you noticed? Good editing can make a great story out of nothing.

You do not have a clue about what you are posting by parroting off what our enemies are saying.
Christ warned us about that. (Matt 5:11-12; John 15:18-21) Are you one of them....?

You can read the article.
BEFORE you were required to "put in your time".

Now, you don't have to anymore because reporting hours has ceased.

Also, as you well know....the time you spend on this Forum used to cound for hours instead of going door to door.


And you want to talk about ENEMIES?
The JWs are the ENEMY of the Christian religion.

Not because you want to belong to a brand new religion that was invented 200 years ago...
but because you insist on being known as Christian.

Which you definitely are not.

 

[amigo de christo]

No more reporting of hours witnessing door to door.
This practice was already in decline after COVID.

Time will tell what kind of an effect it'll have on persons that felt pressured to do this type of witnessing.

Surprised you don't keep up with news about your organization.

Notice that it IS an ORGANIZATION....
and not a church.
It's called THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY.

Sounds like a cult, doesn't it?


source: Jehovah's Witnesses no longer tracking door-to-door hours

There is fast becoming the Whore to door . For more and more now bring
the message of a well favored harlot and her love to the doors of men and of mankind .
Whore to door to bring them to A harlot by means of a harlots love .
The new evangelizing of today is , just holler love non stop and who cares what ones beliefs
are , whe ther new age , muslim , b uddists , atheist
HEY just preach we all children of love and that This is the means for to attain peace n sa fety .
My advice is
Beware the whore to door ev anglising of this great and mighty ecumenincal WHORE who knows
how to reach each group to merge them all as one under what she calls god and she claims is love .

 

[amigo de christo]

No more reporting of hours witnessing door to door.
This practice was already in decline after COVID.

Time will tell what kind of an effect it'll have on persons that felt pressured to do this type of witnessing.

Surprised you don't keep up with news about your organization.

Notice that it IS an ORGANIZATION....
and not a church.
It's called THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY.

Sounds like a cult, doesn't it?


source: Jehovah's Witnesses no longer tracking door-to-door hours

Oh it be a c ult all right . as is the mormon , as are others now .
And now their leaders more more preach whore to door
to bring them all to the worlds largest ecumincal cult that has ever been or will be .
and they WILL and even do BELIEVE they do the will of GOD .
Rather odd , however , is THAT THE WILL OF GOD was to PREACH JESUS to all , so that all
WHO DO BELEIVE COULD BE SAVED , yet this whore preaches we serving the same GOD differently
and that HIS WILL IS we c ome together as one for means to a ttain WORLD PEACE n safety .
SO my advice to us all is . COME NO where near its doors , for those c hambers do lead only to the second death and not to LIFE
ETERNAL .

 

[amigo de christo]

You can read the article.
BEFORE you were required to "put in your time".

Now, you don't have to anymore because reporting hours has ceased.

Also, as you well know....the time you spend on this Forum used to cound for hours instead of going door to door.


And you want to talk about ENEMIES?
The JWs are the ENEMY of the Christian religion.

Not because you want to belong to a brand new religion that was invented 200 years ago...
but because you insist on being known as Christian.

Which you definitely are not.

it is time and high time to have counted the cost . For a well favored harlot who sits over many waters
WILL LEAD this world into great war against any and all who conformened not to Her love and her god
and her plan to bring peace unto the world . AND MANY DO HER WORK .
Even those who behave as though they are against Her and her agenda
Actually DO her agenda . and the sheeples whose hopes be in men , CANNOT discern this at all .
She has poured her ecumenical cup flavored to fit into any group , UNTO said groups .
And soon her ecumenical cup of COME and let us be one
WILL BE CONVERT OR DIE as the g reatest crusades ever to have been WILL BEGIN and come against all
that would not con form to a harlots love .

 

[Beebster]

We don't have to understand anything.

You say some odd things GG.

Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. (Matt 13:13)

We just have to believe what Christianity teaches.

Good Grief.

Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth. (Not Christianity's wisdom).

Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths.

For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her.

Her house is the way to hell (sheol), going down to the chambers of death. (Pro 7:24-27)

 

[GodsGrace]

You say some odd things GG.

Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. (Matt 13:13)


Good Grief.

Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth. (Not Christianity's wisdom).

Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths.

For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her.

Her house is the way to hell (sheol), going down to the chambers of death. (Pro 7:24-27)

Beepster,
I REALLY don't know what you're alluding to.

I posted directly to YOU - can't remember where.
Why not respond to that post instead?

So you believe that if a person has never read the bible they cannot be saved?

And what exactly is your point about Parables?
You think Jesus spoke in parables so that we would NOT understand?

 

[Beebster]

Beepster,
I REALLY don't know what you're alluding to.

I posted directly to YOU - can't remember where.
Why not respond to that post instead?

That thread is locked. But I will bring that post over and answer you.

So you believe that if a person has never read the bible they cannot be saved?

I believe everyone will be saved in order.

And what exactly is your point about Parables?
You think Jesus spoke in parables so that we would NOT understand?

Thats exactly why he spoke in parables.

 

[GodsGrace]

That thread is locked. But I will bring that post over and answer you.

Why was the thread locked?
I was gone all evening.

I believe everyone will be saved in order.

What does "in order" mean?
You're a universalist?

Thats exactly why he spoke in parables.

OK.
I get tired of explaning scripture that everyone should understand just by pure logic.
Jesus spend over 3 years TEACHING.
Parables were for a reason.
I really am not going to get into this.

Please just respond to my post to you.

It's very late here.
Tomorrow.

 

[Beebster]

Why was the thread locked?
I was gone all evening.

I don't know. Behavior maybe.

 

[Beebster]

OK.
I get tired of explaning scripture that everyone should understand just by pure logic.
Jesus spend over 3 years TEACHING.
Parables were for a reason.
I really am not going to get into this.

Interestingly enough, I didn't cite Mat 13:13 to start a discussion about parables.
I cited it because you stated that:

"We don't have to understand anything.

My point was that certain people will understand, but that most won't.

To tell someone they don't need to understand is the equivalent of saying they don't belong in the first resurrection.

Which brings us to your next question.

What does "in order" mean?

Here is the order for salvation:

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (1 Cor 15:24-25)

Christ's elect are the first resurrection.
Yes those that, for one thing, must hear and understand those parables.
Everyone else shall be resurrected by means of the lake of fire which is none other than Christ and his elect or "the body of Christ." That body of Christ will teach all of humanity righteousness, albeit through God's wrath.

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. (Rom 14:11)

With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS. (Isa 26:9)

 

[Beebster]

Here is what I said to David in NJ:

"Think about what you are saying.
God the Father never created words?"

To which you replied:

Beepster
Why are you being silly about such an important topic?

I'm not being silly at all.

GOD IS THE WORD in John 1:1

Funny, when I say it, I'm being silly.

THE WORD in John 1:1 was NOT CREATED.

It most certainly was. God spoke.

And that WORD became flesh...John 1:14

Agree

John 1:1, 14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word became flesh, and [a]dwelt among us,

True.

I KNOW YOU know that we're not talking about words such as I'm using right now.

Of course we are. I'm starting to think you really don't believe that Christ is the Word of God.

 

[Aunty Jane]

You can read the article.

Why would I want to read something in a random newspaper article from Ohio?
I don’t read or watch any mainstream news because it’s not the whole truth....half truths and implied practices made in ignorance, are worse than outright lies. You can believe them if you wish...you are in good company....most of the world swallows them. I prefer to get my news from trusted independent sources....those who are not told what to say.

BEFORE you were required to "put in your time".

Now, you don't have to anymore because reporting hours has ceased.

Do you have any idea why we did that?.....and still do?
We have published a yearbook, every year for many decades detailing the activities of our brothers in many countries, and under many different circumstances. We so enjoyed reading about their experiences and still do. Every year in those yearbooks was also recorded the collective efforts, where the hours we spent preaching were given a global tally, showing us how we were doing as a global collective....it was very encouraging...and not at all sinister.
We have a command from Jesus himself to take the good news out to the people...so we obey him. Do you?

The other benefit of reporting our activities was that it was an indicator as to our brothers’ and sisters’ spiritual health. Many people, when they are experiencing personal problems, don’t always ask for help. The shepherds in our congregations are given the responsibility of assisting any who need help. The first thing to show up if our spiritual health is declining is our participation in the ministry. That would be followed by a decline in attendance at meetings. These indicators are a signal for the shepherds to offer help if it is needed. Our congregations are like family, so when some are missing, we know that they are, and will check up on them to see if they need our assistance....that is how we operate. It’s a safe, caring and loving environment. We are not just anonymous backsides on seats, there for participation in empty rituals.

Also, as you well know....the time you spend on this Forum used to cound for hours instead of going door to door.

Actually, not many of us do post on these kinds of forums. It is not a recommended form of witnessing because we prefer door to door, like the first Christians did....body language and personal face to face contact can make a big difference in how we communicate. We also have our mobile carts that are usually set up in public places so that passers by can stop for a chat, or to accept some literature on a subject that interests them. Not everyone hates us you know....we are often commended for the work we do.

And you want to talk about ENEMIES?
The JWs are the ENEMY of the Christian religion.

If we were enemies then we would leave you all to the lies you have accepted as truth for centuries....
We love people enough to give up our time and resources to reach as many people as possible....people of all faiths. We actually have quite a few congregations in Italy, despite it being the home of Roman Catholicism.

Not because you want to belong to a brand new religion that was invented 200 years ago...
but because you insist on being known as Christian.

And who appointed you the judge of who is a Christian? Jesus will judge us all....those who are on the wrong road, have no idea that they are heading in the wrong direction, according to Jesus....(Matt 7:13-14; 21-23)
We will all know then....and it’s the majority who will experience the shock of rejection....not the “few” who are found “doing the will of the Father.”

So what is “the will of the Father” in these difficult “last days”?....Following the commands that Jesus taught.....without adding or subtracting anything. The Catholic people I have studied with had no idea where their beliefs originated, and were shocked to find out that they were not biblical....beliefs about God, about Jesus and about Mary....all concocted by the church whose doctrines you support.

Which you definitely are not.

Be careful .....1 Cor 10:12 may come back to bite you....

 

[GodsGrace]

There is fast becoming the Whore to door . For more and more now bring
the message of a well favored harlot and her love to the doors of men and of mankind .
Whore to door to bring them to A harlot by means of a harlots love .
The new evangelizing of today is , just holler love non stop and who cares what ones beliefs
are , whe ther new age , muslim , b uddists , atheist
HEY just preach we all children of love and that This is the means for to attain peace n sa fety .
My advice is
Beware the whore to door ev anglising of this great and mighty ecumenincal WHORE who knows
how to reach each group to merge them all as one under what she calls god and she claims is love .

You know Amigo,,,
I live in a catholic country and the only other denomination (if we want to call it that) up here by me is the JW organization.

Want to know why it's so popular here?
Because Catholics don't teach their religion to the laity.
I've gone to some Catholic bible studies and theyì're very lacking.
Although, I must say, they do preach the gospel.

So a JW shows up at the door with a bible in hand and promises to teach a poor ignorant (not having religious knowledge) person what the bible teaches, and viola! the deal is done.

And I did say RELIGION.
Because faith is one thing...
but we also must know our religion.

 

[GodsGrace]

I don't know. Behavior maybe.

Well, if it's behavior the member causing the problem should be warned or removed from the thread.
Locking a thread is like removing EVERYONE from the discussion.
I'm sorry it was locked I had a few members with whom I was having a good conversation.

 

[GodsGrace]

Interestingly enough, I didn't cite Mat 13:13 to start a discussion about parables.
I cited it because you stated that:

What does Matthew 13:13 state?
Why don't we post scripture?

Matthew 13:13
13 Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.


I stated to the other member that it's not necessary to understand the bible in order to be saved.
This was my only point.
It's not the bible that saves us...
JESUS saves us.
We can now Jesus with no bible.
I like to refer to Romans 1:20-21 and probably have already. (maybe not).

My point was that certain people will understand, but that most won't.

Agreed.

To tell someone they don't need to understand is the equivalent of saying they don't belong in the first resurrection.

I have no idea what the first resurrection is.
Not very good with eschatology...
you might wish to explain or you might not.
Up to you.

But I'll repeat:

Salvation does not depend on anything
EXCEPT trusting in God and obeying Him.

Christ died for everyone.
Even those that don't understand anything about theology.

1 John 2:2
2 and He Himself is the [a]propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

Which brings us to your next question.

Here is the order for salvation:

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (1 Cor 15:24-25)

I believe there is only ONE coming of the Lord.
I believe you're speaking about two.

Christ's elect are the first resurrection.
Yes those that, for one thing, must hear and understand those parables.

Could you please post scripture?
I'll repeat again:

I don't have to understand what any parable means.
I just have to have faith in Jesus for my salvation.

Ephesians 2:8
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and [a]this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

If you know of scripture that states that we must understand the parables of Jesus or be damned...
please post it.

Everyone else shall be resurrected by means of the lake of fire which is none other than Christ and his elect or "the body of Christ." That body of Christ will teach all of humanity righteousness, albeit through God's wrath.

Don't know anything about this....
you might want to post scripture.

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. (Rom 14:11)

Ah.
EVERY knee shall bow.

Romans 14:11
11 For it is written,
“As I live, says the [a]Lord, to Me every knee shall bow,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”


What does this mean to you?
Interesting ....

Let's look at the verse just above:

Romans 14:10
10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you view your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.

With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS. (Isa 26:9)

Beepster,
Persons that are living for God
ARE righteous.

 

[GodsGrace]

Here is what I said to David in NJ:

"Think about what you are saying.
God the Father never created words?"

To which you replied:

I'm not being silly at all.

Funny, when I say it, I'm being silly.

It most certainly was. God spoke.

You think THE WORD means the words that God speaks?
The Holy Spirit is the breath of God.
The Word is what God speaks....but words such as we use to speak? Maybe it's more?
It's the Logos of God which is more than just His word.

But let's stay with WORD.

So in John 1:14 WHAT becomes flesh?

Not to put words in your mouth...
but you want to state that the SPOKEN words of God have become flesh?

OK.
Those spoken words of God are now flesh...
they are now HUMAN...

But, being God's words, they were ALWAYS with Him and are a part of Him.
Thus, they are God since the are generated by God.

Agree

True.

Of course we are. I'm starting to think you really don't believe that Christ is the Word of God.

??
Am I not the one who is stating that we, as Christians, must accept the Trinity?

The WORD is in English.
The original is LOGOS.

It's a little bit more than WORD.
Jesus is the reason of God, His best revelation of Himself. God's wisdom and will.
The logos of God brings life and creation...through the logos God created.


John 1's subject is developed in the First Epistle of John (1 John).[10][11][12][13] Similar to John 1:1-5, 1 John 1:1 also refers to the beginning (archē) and to the Word (ho lógos). 1 John 1 does not refer to the creation (see John 1:3) but expands on two other concepts found in John 1:4, namely that of life and of light (1 John 1:1–2, 5–7). It therefore seems as if only the first clause of 1 John 1:1 "What was from the beginning" refers to the pre-incarnate Word. The rest of 1 John 1 describes the incarnate Word:[13]

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life.

— 1 John 1:1 (NIV)

Luke 1:1-2​

Like John 1:1-5, Luke 1:1-2 also refers to the beginning and to the word:

Luke 1:1-2 ... compile an account of the things accomplished among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning (archē) were eyewitnesses and servants of the word (lógos).

— Luke 1:1-2 (NASB)
David Lyle Jeffrey[14] and Leon Morris[15] have seen in "the word" a reference to Jesus Christ. However, this reference did not depict the same significant theology of the Logos as depicted in the gospel of John. In context, it is referring to the gospel message about Jesus and his teaching, rather than his title or identity.[16][17][18]


source: Logos (Christianity) - Wikipedia