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As I alluded to in other posts, I left Catholocism as a teenager and started attending church about 4 years ago - this time my local UMC. I am happy with that decision and fully believe in Jesus...I have seen too many things that tell me that He exists. My problem is that I am having trouble with prayer. It almost feels like I am an imposter when I try to pray. I have no problem with praying with someone else leading prayer, but to actually initiate a prayer, even over a meal is difficult for me.

I don't know if it is because I have been so self-reliant for so long or if I am just hung up on what I remember from the Catholic church for repetitive prayer with the rosary (especially after confession!). I keep thinking back to confession where it I was taught that it was required to make a statement of how long has it been since my last confession - in my case that would be somewhere around 40 years and then I start to think about how can I confess to all of the sin, especially since I may not be able to remember everything.

I know that the UMC and most other protestant groups do not have formalized confession. Is this a problem that other people returning to the fold after years of absense experience (especially going from the strutured Catholic services to other types of services) and how do I get over my anxiety about prayer and organized confessions when going to protestant services that largely have a silent prayer to acknowledge sin and a communal declaration of pardon.
 
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Hi Fred. While I was never Catholic, I have been around Catholics. So just thought I'd mention a couple of things to you.

This verse is a good one to always remember:
"If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9

Also, just talk to the Lord in prayer...you can also ask forgiveness for sins of omission and commission. That way you won't feel like you are forgetting to mention certain things.

Most importantly remember the Lord knows your heart...that you believe in Him.
 

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As I alluded to in other posts, I left Catholocism as a teenager and started attending church about 4 years ago - this time my local UMC. I am happy with that decision and fully believe in Jesus...I have seen too many things that tell me that He exists. My problem is that I am having trouble with prayer. It almost feels like I am an imposter when I try to pray. I have no problem with praying with someone else leading prayer, but to actually initiate a prayer, even over a meal is difficult for me.

I don't know if it is because I have been so self-reliant for so long or if I am just hung up on what I remember from the Catholic church for repetitive prayer with the rosary (especially after confession!). I keep thinking back to confession where it I was taught that it was required to make a statement of how long has it been since my last confession - in my case that would be somewhere around 40 years and then I start to think about how can I confess to all of the sin, especially since I may not be able to remember everything.

I know that the UMC and most other protestant groups do not have formalized confession. Is this a problem that other people returning to the fold after years of absense experience (especially going from the strutured Catholic services to other types of services) and how do I get over my anxiety about prayer and organized confessions when going to protestant services that largely have a silent prayer to acknowledge sin and a communal declaration of pardon.
Are we talking public prayer or personal prayer? And just confession, or also gratitude, praise, and requests?
 
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Are we talking public prayer or personal prayer? And just confession, or also gratitude, praise, and requests?
Gratitude is easy, I just don't feel like I deserve to ask for anything. I feel ashamed for having left the church for so long. When I left, I decided that I would just be good to others and that was enough to go to the right place, but I have since understood that works without faith is not good enough.
To answer this question, an example is in small group, we rotate who leads and I have trouble leading or even speaking up to ask for anything.
 

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I have no problem with praying with someone else leading prayer, but to actually initiate a prayer, even over a meal is difficult for me.
Prayer with me is a conversation with God , just speak as you would to friend . You can privately pray for help with your praying in public . Those of us who are reading your thoughts in this thread are praying for you .
I feel ashamed for having left the church for so long.
No need to feel ashamed , just because you no longer attended church does not mean Christ left you high and dry .
When we are born again God no longer sees our sins , He only sees the blood that Jesus shed on the cross for our sins :woohoo!: .
 

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Gratitude is easy, I just don't feel like I deserve to ask for anything. I feel ashamed for having left the church for so long. When I left, I decided that I would just be good to others and that was enough to go to the right place, but I have since understood that works without faith is not good enough.
To answer this question, an example is in small group, we rotate who leads and I have trouble leading or even speaking up to ask for anything. .
Yeah, me too. Okay; let's talk about it

Starting with the shame. God forgave you for leaving, and like the Prodigal Son's father, rejoiced at having you back. Even if you don't feel forgiven, please understand that you ARE forgiven. You're a child of God now, and you're loved. See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! (1 John 3:1)

If you or someone in your group has a need, you can ask your heavenly Father. The "asking" is, in a way, more important than the actual "getting", because it's about trusting your Father enough to go to Him like a child. Dirt and all.

Let's start with that and see where it goes.
 
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Thank you for reaching out.

Your “prayer paralysis” is understandable. (Remember: when Jonah tried to run away from God, he went down into a ship departing for the end of the world, and fell into a deep sleep: total avoidance.) If you feel guilty having turned away from Him, say so to Him! He is waiting for you (like the father in the Prodigal Son).

General prayer: Whether by yourself or in a group, try starting with “Gracious God, thank you for . . . .” What are all the things you are thankful for? Basics like food, drink, shelter, clothing, health care? His word in the Bible? The fellowship of your small group? Count your blessings!

As for asking for additional blessings: perhaps start by asking God to help others: the persecuted, those suffering from ill health, those mourning of loved ones, . . . . And for yourself: perhaps ask for guidance and wisdom throughout the day.

Go in peace and prayer: He loves you, always.
 

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Hi Fred
I think prayer is something we all battle with at times, especially when we are with others. If you consider that we have an enemy that doesn’t want us talking with the Lord it’s understandable that all kinds of issues can get in the way as he endeavours to stop us praying.
I am not a confident person when it comes to communicating, one thing I often do if I am struggling is to write what I want to talk to the Lord about down on paper ( journalling ) I often write prayers out and read them. I think it’s like anything else in our spiritual journey , it all takes time. Our relationship is not based on whether we went to this church or that church, or left , or had a break, it’s about a one to one conversation. Find a way that suits you - I have been a Christian for over 40years and I still struggle in group prayer meetings , although I have not had to encounter them for awhile.
Is there a main leader of the small group - perhaps you could talk to them and explain that you don’t feel able to lead yet, it’s not a weakness or wrong. Sometimes we have to build up trust with others.
Keep us posted and let us know when the group meet up, so we can in turn pray for you x
 
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Thank you everyone! I especially like Rita's idea of writing down prayers to read them. I have been doing a type of journaling already based on responder peer support ideas.
I am a "logical minded" person and will admit that I often see things as either black or white, right or wrong. So, that may also add to my hangup on this.

Bob, thank you for pointing our Jonah!
 
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Thank you everyone! I especially like Rita's idea of writing down prayers to read them. I have been doing a type of journaling already based on responder peer support ideas.
I am a "logical minded" person and will admit that I often see things as either black or white, right or wrong. So, that may also add to my hangup on this.

Bob, thank you for pointing our Jonah!
My prayer journal became my safe place as I could write from the heart and share what I really felt - it also became a kind of meeting place.
I have a reflective personality, and I have always seen that there are grey areas, my twin brother is logic minded - so see things as black and white. Sometimes it helps to know how your mind works , being logic minded often means you can claim promises when they are written in a black and white way.
Like ‘ I am a child of God , ‘ Christ died for me ‘ ‘ I am forgiven ‘ ect they are solid - maybe write some verses out so that you Claim those solid truths every day. This may help with the doubts you have
 
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My prayer journal became my safe place as I could write from the heart and share what I really felt - it also became a kind of meeting place.
I have a reflective personality, and I have always seen that there are grey areas, my twin brother is logic minded - so see things as black and white. Sometimes it helps to know how your mind works , being logic minded often means you can claim promises when they are written in a black and white way.
Like ‘ I am a child of God , ‘ Christ died for me ‘ ‘ I am forgiven ‘ ect they are solid - maybe write some verses out so that you Claim those solid truths every day. This may help with the doubts you have
Thank you. I will try this suggestion.
 
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I am happy with that decision and fully believe in Jesus...I have seen too many things that tell me that He exists. My problem is that I am having trouble with prayer.
Precious friend, @FredG3, I will pray for you.

Please Be Very Richly Encouraged, Edified, And Comforted In:

God's GRACE Word for our infirmities
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And, precious friend, Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
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The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.
 
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As I alluded to in other posts, I left Catholocism as a teenager and started attending church about 4 years ago - this time my local UMC. I am happy with that decision and fully believe in Jesus...I have seen too many things that tell me that He exists. My problem is that I am having trouble with prayer. It almost feels like I am an imposter when I try to pray. I have no problem with praying with someone else leading prayer, but to actually initiate a prayer, even over a meal is difficult for me.

I don't know if it is because I have been so self-reliant for so long or if I am just hung up on what I remember from the Catholic church for repetitive prayer with the rosary (especially after confession!). I keep thinking back to confession where it I was taught that it was required to make a statement of how long has it been since my last confession - in my case that would be somewhere around 40 years and then I start to think about how can I confess to all of the sin, especially since I may not be able to remember everything.

I know that the UMC and most other protestant groups do not have formalized confession. Is this a problem that other people returning to the fold after years of absense experience (especially going from the strutured Catholic services to other types of services) and how do I get over my anxiety about prayer and organized confessions when going to protestant services that largely have a silent prayer to acknowledge sin and a communal declaration of pardon.
As an ex-Roman Catholic (30 years in), who used to do the daily, and sometimes more, rotes of Rosary (various 'mysteries'), Pieta book, and other such things, when all of that was given up, I found it extremely difficult to know what prayer even was, or to even how to go about it really, and this was compounded by the fact I was very introvert at the time, and extremely shy. I had people tell me that prayer was simply conversation with God, and yet, as easy as that sounds, I barely knew how to have a conversation with people right next to me, and my own family, let alone someone I was unfamiliar with.

Do not be ashamed of not knowing how to pray at first, for you are just born again, and a new born babe, barely knows how to make sounds (other than crying, laughing, the baser emotional sounds, and so we might weep before God for attention, or rejoice and simply smile at being cared for), and the Holy Ghost will make up for you during those times in growing up, and even in what we call adulthood:
Rom_8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.​

It will take time. Words will come, with growth and experience. As for praying in public vs private, one will have to grow in each, but moreso in private, so that in public, one has the ability to converse with God with others around, listening, and joining in heart with what you are praying about. Do not merely just say words to say words, though at the first, one, as a child, will listen to others prayers and attempt a mimicry of those and God understands this. It is when you really have deep private prayer with the one who loves you most, that eventually the 'ice' will be broken, and you can pray without fear in public, since you are no longer a stranger with the one to Whom you are speaking, and you know them better, as a friend. When you have good friends, public conversation is easy with them even with strangers around.

As for confession of sins, leave that to private prayer (one can confess basic faults in public prayer as needed, like I am weak in this and that area, please pray for / with me and be general about it), and not to the ears of others, and leave it between you and the one whom you sinned against, God. At those times, be specific, for God already knows the failure, even though it seems the dirtiest, darkest, ugliest shameful thing that was thought, said or done. Just be straightforward, not attempting to justify those things, but just confess them, ask for pardon, and believe in the grace of God granted at that very moment. You are free, and let the guilt wash away. Satan will try to remind you, but just keep in mind, I confessed those, and now I need to keep on forsaking those things,. A person may stumble many times at the same thing, but do not be discouraged, come to God anyway and show that you trust in God's grace to forgive, cleanse, renew, and save. If you cannot remember all that was wrong, God knows, and will bring it to your mind as needful, and at the right timing. otherwise you can simply look at Exo. 20:1-17 and just think on those promising words of God in the New Covenant, as promises that God will fulfill in you, in comparison with the thoughts, words and actions of yours today, or you can do the same with a comparison of thinking about the life of Jesus from birth to death, resurrection, ascension (it just takes more effort than to read 17 texts), and especially the last moments of Jesus' life, from Gethsemane to Calvary and beyond.

You can listen to these final chapters here in a dark and quiet, calm place, and just think on them, and pray as you listen, here -

In public prayer, you do not have to lead, and experienced persons in that public prayer should not 'volunteer' you, nor 'make' you pray until you are ready to do so voluntarily. They can ask if you are ready to lead, but experienced persons can also see a 'newborn', and know they ought not to lead out, while the 'adults' in prayer sit back expecting a newborn to suddenly know how to talk. As it is in the natural, so too the spiritual things of God.

It took me a while to begin to publically pray without self-conscious worries, fears of others listening, when my focus began to leave the human altogether, as if others were not present, and to dwell on Him who definitely was, even though I could only see by the eyes of faith, up into Heaven. When others are praying in a public group, take the time to really listen to each one, not in judgment, but to what you can "amen" in heart with. Whether you voice that out loud or keep that silent is up to you, as I found for me silence is mostly better, and on occasion a more quieter solemn "amen" in union, or better still at the end, while others are so constantly amening, 'praise the Lord-ing', and 'Halelujah-ing', the mind of the pray-er begins to lose focus, as like when someone else were talking while you are trying to talk to God. It can sometimes be a hindrance after that manner. Its up to you. Generally amens in scripture come after the prayer, not during the middle of it. You can also study the prayers of those devout persons in scripture to see how they prayed, and what it was they were dwelling on in their prayers, whether in private or public.

This book may also help you [Prayer] - Prayer
And this one [Answers to Prayer] - SDA Ellen G White Compilation Answers To Prayer : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

With time, and growing experience in the LORD Jesus, prayer, and gratefulness, even for simple food will come to you. I have been in so much misery and pain lately, that it is extremely difficult to think straight, or to pray, other than in weeping tears of agony. I am grateful to God even for my bed, its covers, the room I have, the electricity, warmth, water, and when I go to sleep, I just thank God for those simple things, and tell Him I appreciate those things, and am sorry for taking such things for granted sometimes. I am praying for restored health in body, mind and the weightier things of God (prayer, self-sacrifice, cheerfulness, greatfulness). If (no pressure, just asking) you want a prayer project, please, would you not mind praying for me (Aaron) - Asking for special serious daily ongoing prayer, having same symptoms still ...

A focus on others, over self- I find is a much lengthier conversation, though sometimes, one does need to look in the mirror with God. Also do things for ministry, one will come across people to pray about / for. Like when I was (no boasting here) helping with homeless, door to dooring, etc, I came across people to pray about and they took precedence over myself in my thoughts, it was simply amazing what God was doing at that time.

I also have a friend (Pam) who is going through similar things, with Kidney stones, and has tubes in her, and cannot have surgery just yet, and is in pain, and has about 3 surgeries ahead of her, in her more elderly (I am 48, and she in her 60's) walk.

Thank you, and I hope that this was helpful to you.

PS. as for prayer journalling, I have friends who really use that, and it is like as David in the Psalms writing down his own prayers to God, as others also did. I am not saying anyone has to do this, but there is precedence in the Bible for it. I find it more difficult for me to do that, than my friend, though she keeps recommending it to me. :)
 
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As I alluded to in other posts, I left Catholocism as a teenager and started attending church about 4 years ago - this time my local UMC. I am happy with that decision and fully believe in Jesus...I have seen too many things that tell me that He exists. My problem is that I am having trouble with prayer. It almost feels like I am an imposter when I try to pray. I have no problem with praying with someone else leading prayer, but to actually initiate a prayer, even over a meal is difficult for me.

I don't know if it is because I have been so self-reliant for so long or if I am just hung up on what I remember from the Catholic church for repetitive prayer with the rosary (especially after confession!). I keep thinking back to confession where it I was taught that it was required to make a statement of how long has it been since my last confession - in my case that would be somewhere around 40 years and then I start to think about how can I confess to all of the sin, especially since I may not be able to remember everything.

I know that the UMC and most other protestant groups do not have formalized confession. Is this a problem that other people returning to the fold after years of absense experience (especially going from the strutured Catholic services to other types of services) and how do I get over my anxiety about prayer and organized confessions when going to protestant services that largely have a silent prayer to acknowledge sin and a communal declaration of pardon.
Those are lengthy prayers, but in fact, you only need to pray the Lord’s Prayer taught by Jesus, because God already knows what you need.

Perhaps you’re simply resistant to such tedious prayers because this kind of complexity was never what Jesus intended.

Prayer doesn’t have to be complicated:
Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name.

..........see the Lord’s Prayer put God first, but man's paryer always put self first.....


You put God first then God put you first.


If you don't genuinely want to pray, then don't pray. Otherwise, it's just a pretense to deceive yourself.
 
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Is this a problem that other people returning to the fold after years of absense experience
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It almost feels like I am an imposter when I try to pray.

I don't know if it is because I have been so self-reliant for so long
We all feel this at first. Self-reliance is a pride and the awkwardness will diminish with discipline of repeated action. Establishing any new habit is difficult. I find it easier by setting specific times to pray, e.g., 1st thing in the morning, last thing at night, before each meal and whenever I'm not focused on anything in particular in daily life.
 
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As an ex-Roman Catholic (30 years in), who used to do the daily, and sometimes more, rotes of Rosary (various 'mysteries'), Pieta book, and other such things, when all of that was given up, I found it extremely difficult to know what prayer even was, or to even how to go about it really, and this was compounded by the fact I was very introvert at the time, and extremely shy. I had people tell me that prayer was simply conversation with God, and yet, as easy as that sounds, I barely knew how to have a conversation with people right next to me, and my own family, let alone someone I was unfamiliar with.

Do not be ashamed of not knowing how to pray at first, for you are just born again, and a new born babe, barely knows how to make sounds (other than crying, laughing, the baser emotional sounds, and so we might weep before God for attention, or rejoice and simply smile at being cared for), and the Holy Ghost will make up for you during those times in growing up, and even in what we call adulthood:
Thank you! It is comforting that others who have a similar path to God have worked through similar concerns around prayer. Your explanation of how I feel is actually better than how I described it earlier.
A focus on others, over self- I find is a much lengthier conversation, though sometimes, one does need to look in the mirror with God. Also do things for ministry, one will come across people to pray about / for. Like when I was (no boasting here) helping with homeless, door to dooring, etc, I came across people to pray about and they took precedence over myself in my thoughts, it was simply amazing what God was doing at that time.
I have been focused on others for most of my life. I have been a volunteer EMT since 18. What I have been struggling with is for a good portion of that time, I considered the idea that as long as I was doing good for others that I would go to the "right place". But, over the past few years, I have been concerned about what I have done is akin to "works without faith". To be honest, I don't think I ever stopped believing, just had a strained relationship.
At this point, I have re-evaluated what I view as my calling and I think I have done right by God in helping others, even with a marginal belief during many of my 32 years in volunteer EMS. After talking with several local pastors, I have come to realize that I am blessed to be able to help others in a meaningful way and in a way that I find joy despite the hardships I see regularly. In fact, I returned to the church through an EMS standby at my town's cross walk - I heard a pastor's talk at the last station and his words resonated with me. I later found out, he used to be a volunteer Firefighter in another town and has even been dealing with a similar medical concern to what I have been dealing with. I think that meeting him through EMS is a sign that God wanted me back in the fold, knew what I needed, and that He has accepted my service to others.

Again, thank you for your detailed response. I appreciate your candor.
 

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Thank you! It is comforting that others who have a similar path to God have worked through similar concerns around prayer. Your explanation of how I feel is actually better than how I described it earlier.

I have been focused on others for most of my life. I have been a volunteer EMT since 18. What I have been struggling with is for a good portion of that time, I considered the idea that as long as I was doing good for others that I would go to the "right place". But, over the past few years, I have been concerned about what I have done is akin to "works without faith". To be honest, I don't think I ever stopped believing, just had a strained relationship.
At this point, I have re-evaluated what I view as my calling and I think I have done right by God in helping others, even with a marginal belief during many of my 32 years in volunteer EMS. After talking with several local pastors, I have come to realize that I am blessed to be able to help others in a meaningful way and in a way that I find joy despite the hardships I see regularly. In fact, I returned to the church through an EMS standby at my town's cross walk - I heard a pastor's talk at the last station and his words resonated with me. I later found out, he used to be a volunteer Firefighter in another town and has even been dealing with a similar medical concern to what I have been dealing with. I think that meeting him through EMS is a sign that God wanted me back in the fold, knew what I needed, and that He has accepted my service to others.

Again, thank you for your detailed response. I appreciate your candor.
Hey volunteer EMT / EMS is great! Don't give up. It is ok to re-evaluate the reason for doing it, just refocus that reason back to helping people for God's glory, and don't worry so much that you do such to 'obtain heaven'. Yet, even so, God still remembers those times that we still do good in His name / purposes / providence, even if sometimes our focus slips up. Just look at the disciples / apostles. Like I said, it is ok to re-evaluate, just know that you will not lose your reward for a brief lack of focus.

Mat_10:42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.​
Mar_9:41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.​
2Jn_1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.​
Mal_3:16 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.​

Keep it up, brother, you are on the right track, and that train is heaven-bound, for God's eternal kingdom.

Sure thing, brother Fred. If you ever want to talk more privately, you can always message me, but if you want to keep it public, that is ok too. :) Be blessed in your approach to God, and may you be found in His loving embracing arms. May God always be your EMT / EMS, who found you, rescued you, healed you, and became your friend, and also to always be your Firefighter, delivering you from the flames to come. Beware the smoke of selfish idolatry (if you smell this smoke, spiritually speaking, call on the Great Firefighter above, immediately), and lift up the incense of prayer, in Christ's righteousness, to God instead. :)
 
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A book recommendation for you @FredG3.

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This is one of my favorite books. (Scott is a favorite author, in general.) I have it on a “to be reread” list for this year or next.