It isnt saying to speak in tongues with charity. Charity is separate and wont fail.
WOMEN AREN'T TO SPEAK IN TONGUES IN THE CHURCH
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JLB
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‘Now we have the Bible, or in reality Many different versions of the Bible based on which manuscript was used.
So which Bible are you saying is the perfect one?
There are different understandings of 1 Cor 12 &13 I am just expressing mine
[1 Corinthians 12:30 KJV] "Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?"
[1 Corinthians 12:31 KJV] "But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way."...........The Corinthian church was esteeming tongues and not doing things in order. Paul was saying charity was more excellent. Charity is brotherly love expressed to fellow saints and seeks what is beneficial for them.
[1 Corinthians 13:8 KJV] "Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away."..............Tongues will cease but charity never fails
[1 Corinthians 13:9 KJV] "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part."
[1 Corinthians 13:10 KJV] "But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."................It could also be that what is spoken by tongues is only communicating the Word of God in part and Charity supplants tongues. That which is perfect is charity.
[1 Corinthians 13:11 KJV] "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."..............Paul is illustrating to the Corinthians that to esteem tongues over charity is immature
JLB
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It says love is the greater than faith or hope.
For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known. 1 Corinthians 13:12
Can we see Him face to face if He has not yet come?
1 Corinthians 11:
5. But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoreth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
Here Paul is indicating that woman (not all) do pray(also in tongues with interpretation) and prophesy, 'speak' for the 'edification', 'exhortation' and 'comfort' of the church.
This the second and third time am repeating but you're ignoring and going ahead with all the other scripture to support your 'self' theory.
Go to ch. 14 in context, for it begins with, 'Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but preferably the 'gift' that ye may prophesy (ch.12).
And the following verses are about using the Holy Ghost given 'gifts' and together with 'charity', for the benefit of the church and not oneself.
The point is a lot of us in this thread , me included , have what you would call experiential knowledge of speaking in tongues as the Holy Spirit gives the utterance ! We understand the gift because we have lived it , we have personally seen the proof of what we read in the bible . Once you have spoke in tongues under the power of the Holy Spirit there is no way you can deny that it happens anymore than you can deny that you breath .
Ask me a question about the gifts of the Holy Spirit and I will do my best to answer you brother @Doug .
[1 Corinthians 13:13 KJV] "And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these [is] charity."
[1 Corinthians 14:1 KJV] "Follow after charity, and desire spiritual [gifts], but rather that ye may prophesy."
Paul is telling them to follow after charity and to desire gifts that will result in edifying the church
The Corinthian church was a mixture of the little flock believing remnant and the body of Christ. The little flock may be the ones under consideration here. The little flock did not have to abandon the law and were influenced by their traditions. This determination of mine can be supported by this verse.........[1 Corinthians 10:1 KJV] "Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;"........Paul was Jewish and identifies himself with the "fathers" which is restricted to the Jews only. He could very well be dealing with Jewish situations including head coverings.
[1 Corinthians 11:16 KJV] "But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.".......I think Paul may have been addressing concerns from the little flock over head coverings, but Paul was saying that in the body of Christ, they had no such customs. Paul never said that he was discussing women prophesying in the church, the body of Christ.
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In Acts Chapter one we are told women are in the upper room .
Acts 1:14 Context
11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. 12Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey. 13And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James. 14These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren. 15And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,) 16Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. 17For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.In Acts Chapter 2 were are told who of the people in the upper room spoke in tongues and the word used is ALL , can there be any doubt that women were speaking in tongues .
Acts 2:4 Context
1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
soberxp
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I am simply trying to understand and interpret the meaning of Paul's words correctly.
If women do not mind being severely punished by God for teaching incorrect doctrines, I have no objection to women teaching the Bible.
I just don’t think Paul’s statement that women should not preach in church stems from patriarchal ideology.
I do not want to engage in any gender opposition, patriarchal or feminist discourse.
This is how I understand it—whether you believe it or not is up to you.
James 3:1
My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
Acts 1:14 doesnt say they were speaking in tongues
[Acts 2:5 KJV] "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven."
[Acts 2:8 KJV] "And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?".............I dont see any women present
The women were in the upper room in Acts1:14 did you see that , surely you did . We do not get any scripture that tells about the women leaving the upper room before the Holy Spirit came down but we do read this in Acts2:4 , they ALL were filled the Holy Ghost and began speaking in tongues . You can deny that there were women there in the upper room till the cows come home but that will not make it so .
[Acts 1:12 KJV] "Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey."
[Acts 1:13 KJV] "And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James [the son] of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas [the brother] of James."
[Acts 1:14 KJV] "These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren."
The problem is you are saying there were women in the upper room, which I don't deny in the least, so therefore they attended the feast of Pentecost in Acts 2 and spoke in tongues. The upper room and Pentecost are two separate events. The feast of Pentecost didnt occur during the upper room account in Acts 1. Acts 1 ended with the choosing of Matthias to replace Judas. When Pentecost came it doesn't say it occurred in the upper room, it just says it was in ONE PLACE.............[Acts 2:1 KJV] "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place."
Let me say I appreciate your courtesy and avoidance of personal attacks; a discourse centered on a discussion confined to scripture
What do you think?
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