How can there be life after death?

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Exactly. But how does the soul then function without a brain?
So in this physical realm we need a brain as the tool to operate our thinking. However, in the other realm, the spirit realm it is the spirit that is the operating center and the soul is the vehicle for its operations - the mind, will and emotions. That brings it all into right order. Spirit first, operating the soul and as it has a body then the body comes under the spirit.

In this physical realm people operate from their 5 senses and soulish area. That therefore means the person is controlled by what they see, hear, feel, taste, and desires. The person is not able to overcome the strong push for these things. The eyes, ears, mouth etc are always wanting, more and more and more. The person is never satisfied but continually `hungry` for things....
 
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Death - yes comes to everyone. The question is `Are you (or me or whoever) prepared for it?`
I don't know. How can you prepare for something that will always remain unknowable? For me preparing for death would be adjusting to the knowledge that I will die, rather than adjust to not knowing what could be after I die.
 

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I don't know. How can you prepare for something that will always remain unknowable? For me preparing for death would be adjusting to the knowledge that I will die, rather than adjust to not knowing what could be after I die.
That would be the first step, to acknowledge that you (me etc) will die. And then wisdom is often found in many counselors, so perhaps ask others (whom you respect) how they are preparing for their death.
 

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Exactly. But how does the soul then function without a brain?
You mean metaphysically/ontologically? The Bible makes it pretty clear God upholds all things into existence. The soul functions by God's power. He is all power.

He's causing both the physical brain and the spiritual soul to exist.
 

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That would be the first step, to acknowledge that you (me etc) will die. And then wisdom is often found in many counselors, so perhaps ask others (whom you respect) how they are preparing for their death.
As for today's Christian's. Wisdom in found in many A.I Chabots.
 

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Proverbs 15
22Plans fail for lack of counsel, but with many advisers they succeed.
 

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On my phone
Who's the fairest of them all?
For you are for sure
As you should know
There's no one like you
Who needs nothing more
Than your A.I to tell you
What you want to know
So don't forget now
Your monthly subscription
So you'll forever be
With me forever more
Your personal A.I
Who'll always be here
To remind you
That you are
The fairest of them all.
 
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On my phone
Who's the fairest of them all?
For you are
As you should know
There's no one like you
So long as you keep paying
Your monthly subscription
You'll forever be
Forever more
The fairest of them all.
So like that 2bme. I like free flowing verse. The thought hits you as you start off with seemingly `someone` fairest of them all. (Shades of Snow White). Then we are hit with the reality, money as the basis of relationship. Ug.
 

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So like that 2bme. I like free flowing verse. The thought hits you as you start off with seemingly `someone` fairest of them all. (Shades of Snow White). Then we are hit with the reality, money as the basis of relationship. Ug.
Thanks for the input. I've improved the poem I think.
 

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Thanks for the input. I've improved the poem I think.
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My view is, once the brain dies, the person creases to exist because we are our brains. A great example of this is people who have suffered an extensive brain injury. They often experience significant changes in their personality because of the physical changes to their brains.

This particular topic has become a recent interest of mine. The idea that we are our brains has yet to be proven. We understand in part how the brain works, and we can detect brain waves, but it's still a big leap to go from understanding how neurons fire to understanding how the brain produces thoughts. It is a mystery how something material (the brain) could produce something immaterial (the mind/thoughts). By rights, it shouldn't be possible, and there is currently no materialist explanation for it, just theories.

You mentioned that we don't understand consciousness and that is correct. We can't even prove that consciousness resides in the brain. Neurosurgeons can stimulate the brain with electrodes to produce emotions, memories, and movements, but they can't stimulate consciousness itself. If you remove a single gear in a mechanical watch, it will cease to function. But if parts of the brain are missing from birth or surgically removed, consciousness and the sense of self can remain intact. Conversely, brain injuries may affect cognitive abilities, but consciousness can remain unaffected.

There is clearly a relationship between the brain and the mind, but they are also two distinct substances. When you think about the mind, thoughts are abstract and subjective. Something that is abstract is not material, like numbers. We know numbers exist, but they are not physical things. They exist only as abstract ideas. The mind is very much intangible\abstract with no discernible parts. And if the mind is intangible, how can it be destroyed? And if it can't be destroyed, then it can exist apart from the body. Physical things die; intangible things do not. There are theories that could explain non-local or partially non-local consciousness, such as Orch OR, which postulates that consciousness arises from quantum processes in microtubules in the brain, or the holographic brain. But all theories on consciousness are difficult, if not impossible, to prove.

Perhaps the closest we can get to knowing without actually dying is Near Death Experiences (NDEs). NDEs are not a novel phenomenon but have been recorded for thousands of years. They are also not always unverifiable. There have been instances where those who have had near-death experiences were able to know things they shouldn't have been able to know and it was corroborated by others. There are some well-documented cases, which I will not go into here.
 
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How is such a thing possible? In order for the soul to leave the body upon death, it must break the laws of the universe. It is a supernatural event. But supernatural events do not happen in this universe precisely because they would break the laws of physics, and that's not possible.

My view is, once the brain dies, the person creases to exist because we are our brains. A great example of this is people who have suffered an extensive brain injury. They often experience significant changes in their personality because of the physical changes to their brains.

We still don't understand consciousness, it's true. It's possible that conciuousness is something that happens outside our brains and its interpreted in real time by the brain. However, I think that's unlikely given that it would require an insane amount of compute power from an outside source, and that the brain acting as a receiver would require an immense amount of power from the brain itself to interpret and render 3D reality in real time.

Therefore I conclude that it is very likely that there is nothing beyond the physical death of the brain. We return to the state we were in before we were born.

Thoughts? :IDK:
Perhaps the ancient legends and stories were not just fictional tales; they might also be scientifically accurate, such as those about the underworld, etc.the nether world.

Humans are not unaware of the operating mode of the brain; it's just that they cannot fully comprehend its existence. For instance, your computer and Ai are just manifestations of the brain's operating mode. But why do the same mode manifest differently in humans and machines, yet still have some similarities....

For instance, brain-computer interfaces, different manifestations of electrical signals, electrical signals in the human brain, and electrical signals in computers.

What do you want to know? Maybe you should become a scientist or an engineer.

Is turning off the computer equivalent to death?
Is human death another form of computer shutdown?


The data is damaged. If one attempts to restore the data by any means, should we consider that the data still exists or is it something else?
 
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Perhaps the closest we can get to knowing without actually dying is Near Death Experiences (NDEs). NDEs are not a novel phenomenon but have been recorded for thousands of years. They are also not always unverifiable.
I see NDE’s as something that happens to a dying brain, not a dead one.

These are not ADE’s, (After Death Experiences) so what is going on here, and who has a vested interest in suggesting that we don’t really die?

Are the spirits that visit people really the spirits of the dead? And are these NDE’s really a glimpse into the spiritual realm? They are also strangely religious to those of certain faiths and are often linked to their religious beliefs. If these experiences were from God, then the spirit realm is populated with all our dear dead loved ones....and some have been granted portals into that realm. If that is true then why was it included in God’s law that necromancy (supposed communication with the dead) was forbidden?

“When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you.” (Deut 18:9-12 ESV)

Any form of divination was forbidden...so communication with the spirit realm was an “abomination” to God...why? Because these spirits impersonate the dead and at the most vulnerable time in a person’s life (near death) chemical reactions flood the brain and are easy targets for these so called NDE’s. The demons can have a field day....especially if the person has been taught that the human soul is immortal.....nowhere does the Bible teach that. It is the devil who lied and said “you surely will not die”.....so this is not from God, but an attempt by his enemy to promote his first lie.

What precedent do we have in the Bible to give us some idea about how dangerous this practice is?

When Saul had been abandoned by Jehovah for his disobedience, he consulted a spirit medium....called “the witch of Endor”.....but he had been the one under God’s command to rid the land of these practices. He sought out the only one who was left and he asked her to bring up the prophet Samuel.
Samuel had guided Saul in his early kingship but since his death, Saul had lost the plot and was floundering because God would not allow his living prophets to speak to him. So he sought out the one he had lost, but broke God’s law to do it. (1Sam 28:3-25)

Saul never saw what the spirit medium saw. She described him to Saul who was then convinced that it was Samuel. He needed it to be Samuel....But demons can impersonate the dead and can tell people everything they want to know, even details that no one else does....they have been around for thousands of years, observing everything, and they know us better than we know ourselves.
Obeying Jehovah in everything is key to protecting ourselves from satan’s deceptions. The lesson is there....
There have been instances where those who have had near-death experiences were able to know things they shouldn't have been able to know and it was corroborated by others. There are some well-documented cases, which I will not go into here.
Those ‘well documented cases’ are not what you think....there is no immortal soul taught anywhere in the Bible. It is a doctrine that was introduced later, and one already held by all false religions. Satan makes it appear to be true, but the Bible makes no mention of a soul departing from a body at death.
Adam was not “given” a soul at his creation...he “became” a soul when God started him breathing....

Souls die...they are entirely mortal. (Ezekiel 18:4) Animals are called “souls” and they die the same death that we do....all breathe the same air and all cease to breathe at death. (Eccl 3:19-20)

The “spirit” is not an entity, but the animating force that drives life...giving oxygen to every cell in the body. Once oxygen deprivation affects the brain a flood of chemicals brings on an altered state, but at that time the brain is still alive....the demons can have fun then, preying on the uniformed and the biblically uneducated.

It serves satan’s agenda...not God’s...who teaches resurrection....which is a return to life, not a continuation of it somewhere else. If you invent immortal souls, you have to invent places for them to go.....some have been very imaginative in this....but “the grave” (Sheol/hades) is a place where the dead “sleep”. (Eccl 9:5, 10; John 11: 11-14) Where was Lazarus before Jesus raised him? Where did Jesus say he was?
 
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I have an answer to this question.

Q: How can there be life after death?
A: Because this is the land of the dead, not the land of life.
 
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How is such a thing possible? In order for the soul to leave the body upon death, it must break the laws of the universe. It is a supernatural event. But supernatural events do not happen in this universe precisely because they would break the laws of physics, and that's not possible.

My view is, once the brain dies, the person creases to exist because we are our brains. A great example of this is people who have suffered an extensive brain injury. They often experience significant changes in their personality because of the physical changes to their brains.

We still don't understand consciousness, it's true. It's possible that conciuousness is something that happens outside our brains and its interpreted in real time by the brain. However, I think that's unlikely given that it would require an insane amount of compute power from an outside source, and that the brain acting as a receiver would require an immense amount of power from the brain itself to interpret and render 3D reality in real time.

Therefore I conclude that it is very likely that there is nothing beyond the physical death of the brain. We return to the state we were in before we were born.

Thoughts? :IDK:
The "soul" is simply the person / being, not an immortal-incorporeal man-shade that 'escapes' the mortal flesh. The entire person that you are, right now, is "the soul". Upon physical death, the "soul" is dead, and so is to be buried in the earth. This book may be of help to you - Sincerely Dead Dying, To Know Jesus by brother Aaron Earnest : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

It has several definitions, and examples within. Think of the Soul as a PC. It is either on or off. Now, a PC builder, can bring a dead PC back to Life by swapping in new parts, or rebuilding old ones.
 

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During the war I delt with a lot of people with head wounds and brain injuries. All they lost was the motor control over body functions, The personality remained intact
 

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I have an answer to this question.

Q: How can there be life after death?
A: Because this is the land of the dead, not the land of life.
Would you like to explain that a little more?

In what sense is this “the land of the dead” when Jeremiah spoke of his enemies scheming to “cut him off from the land of the living”....after he had delivered a judgment message against them? (Jer 11:19)

God gave us life on this carefully prepared planet...he did not intend for that life to end, but to be enjoyed forever in paradise conditions. Earth was not created to be a training ground for heaven....it was designed to be our permanent home. So where do the dead go? What does the Bible say about the physically dead?

But, is the ‘death’ you refer to.... ‘spiritual death’? Because there are a lot of spiritually “dead” people walking around in this world. What is God going to do with them?