WOMEN AREN'T TO SPEAK IN TONGUES IN THE CHURCH

[talons]

When Pentecost came it doesn't say it occurred in the upper room, it just says it was in ONE PLACE.............[Acts 2:1 KJV] "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place."

Regardless of where the Holy Spirit comes down , why do you think the women that were present in the upper room were not there to receive the Holy Spirit ? The very women that had followed Jesus .

The gift of prophesy is a GREATER gift of the Holy Spirit than tongues , there is record of four sisters which did prophesy .

Acts 21:9 Context​

6And when we had taken our leave one of another, we took ship; and they returned home again. 7And when we had finished our course from Tyre, we came to Ptolemais, and saluted the brethren, and abode with them one day. 8And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him. 9And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy. 10And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus. 11And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles. 12And when we heard these things, both we, and they of that place, besought him not to go up to Jerusalem.

Give me your reasoning that women would not be able to have the gift of tongues since it is a LESSER gift that of prophesy .

1Cor14:5

5I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

 

[Brakelite]

The Holy Spirit is not speaking today. to think otherwise is detrimental

“4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: ”
Ephesians 4:4-13 KJV

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Is the church perfected yet? No, thus there are still gifts of the Spirit, including ministry gifts and ministries, the Holy Spirit hasn't gone away or been struck dumb.

 

[Fred J]

[1 Corinthians 13:13 KJV] "And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these [is] charity."
[1 Corinthians 14:1 KJV] "Follow after charity, and desire spiritual [gifts], but rather that ye may prophesy."

Paul is telling them to follow after charity and to desire gifts that will result in edifying the church

You're nearly there, thank you, that you want to research and get it right the truth, peace be with you in Jesus name.

Just like i testified in my previous post that, spiritual gifts of the Holy Ghost must be 'met' by charity.

What's the point of having the gifts of the Holy Ghost and love not your neighbor in equality?

For example Paul's explaining, to put it in other words, what's point of having the gifts of tongues and not interpret for thy neighbor?

The person is only 'edifying' oneself and not the church, and where's the charity towards one's neighbor?

If the person together interpret in the language the whole church understand, as a result the whole church is edified, and love for one's neighbor is 'met'.

And this pleases GOD in worship that spiritual gifts of HIS is 'met' by charity towards one's neighbor.

 

[Fred J]

The Corinthian church was a mixture of the little flock believing remnant and the body of Christ. The little flock may be the ones under consideration here. The little flock did not have to abandon the law and were influenced by their traditions. This determination of mine can be supported by this verse.........[1 Corinthians 10:1 KJV] "Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;"........Paul was Jewish and identifies himself with the "fathers" which is restricted to the Jews only. He could very well be dealing with Jewish situations including head coverings.

[1 Corinthians 11:16 KJV] "But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.".......I think Paul may have been addressing concerns from the little flock over head coverings, but Paul was saying that in the body of Christ, they had no such customs. Paul never said that he was discussing women prophesying in the church, the body of Christ.

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DOES THIS VERSE CONTRADICT PAUL SAYING A WOMEN CAN'T SPEAK IN THE CHURCH?

Now here we go again, deceived you're headed on a diversion and stick not to the straight path.

Paul did not specify which of the Jews and which of the Gentiles, but he's addressing to the born again church, for there's neither Jews or Gentiles but 'one' body of Christ.

Like i testified to you, be silent is to the women audience and not the women who pray for and prophesy to the congregation like men. (ch.11)

 

[Fred J]

Please show me a scripture where women are speaking in tongues

According to ch. 11, woman (not women) are allowed to 'pray' and prophesy, and according to ch. 14, what is tongues spoken in the congregation for?

That is one speaking in the Heavenly tongues like angels 'communicating' with GOD in prayer(vs. 14), and silently unless for the edification of oneself.

But one pray for interpretation, and interpret to the common language that the congregation understand, and at the end of it the whole congregation confess, 'Amen' (vs. 16)

Therefore spiritual gift of tongues met with interpretation as 'charity' for one's neighbor, the whole congregation including the one who speak after confessing 'Amen', are together 'edified'.

According to Matthew, after the Lord's 'prayer', even other prayers held in churches today, what's the confession of the congregation at the end?

"Amen."

Now, let's say we go with the scripture, ch. 14, Paul addressed the man in regards speaking in tongues and prophesying in the congregation. (Besides Heavenly tongues with interpretation, prophesying is in the common language of the congregation)

Therefore he did not mention woman, yet ch. 11, woman are allowed to 'pray' for the congregation in the common language they understand and at the end together they may also confess, "Amen."

Besides in the matter of 'prophesy' they're allowed, where woman strictly need a 'covering' on their 'head', she's to have power on her head because of the angels. (vs. 10)

 

[Fred J]

I am simply trying to understand and interpret the meaning of Paul's words correctly.

If women do not mind being severely punished by God for teaching incorrect doctrines, I have no objection to women teaching the Bible.

I just don’t think Paul’s statement that women should not preach in church stems from patriarchal ideology.

I do not want to engage in any gender opposition, patriarchal or feminist discourse.

This is how I understand it—whether you believe it or not is up to you.


James 3:1
My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

For it is written;

'Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.'

Sadly, you're haughty and wise in your own conceit, as our dialogues with you so far.

Jesus discipled us to be alert and be aware by, 'You will know them by their fruit.'

You fail to read our replies that we've testified, and context of the scripture that competent men elders of the church will evaluate and choose, even woman to pray and prophesy.

Where can it go wrong and woman is punished, when she's chosen correctly and monitored at every service by elders of the church?

It's only in your 'shortsighted' church, things are neither here or there and are bound by men's traditions rather, or you're acting on your own, i reckon.

Furthermore 'irony' is, you laughed in 'scorn' towards our testimony in regards the 'truth'?

 

[Doug]

Regardless of where the Holy Spirit comes down , why do you think the women that were present in the upper room were not there to receive the Holy Spirit ? The very women that had followed Jesus .

It doesnt say women were present at Pentecost only men
All these verses refer to men only...........
[Acts 2:5 KJV] "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven."
[Acts 2:6 KJV] "Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language."
[Acts 2:8 KJV] "And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?"
[Acts 2:14 KJV] "But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all [ye] that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:"

 

[Doug]

The gift of prophesy is a GREATER gift of the Holy Spirit than tongues , there is record of four sisters which did prophesy .

Charity is.........[1 Corinthians 13:13 KJV] "And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these [is] charity."
Chairty is love between believers that seeks only their benefit

 

[Doug]

Give me your reasoning that women would not be able to have the gift of tongues since it is a LESSER gift that of prophesy .

There is no mention of prophetess in the body of Christ. They were only found in the old testament and in Luke

 

[Doug]

You're nearly there, thank you, that you want to research and get it right the truth, peace be with you in Jesus name.

Just like i testified in my previous post that, spiritual gifts of the Holy Ghost must be 'met' by charity.

What's the point of having the gifts of the Holy Ghost and love not your neighbor in equality?

For example Paul's explaining, to put it in other words, what's point of having the gifts of tongues and not interpret for thy neighbor?

The person is only 'edifying' oneself and not the church, and where's the charity towards one's neighbor?

If the person together interpret in the language the whole church understand, as a result the whole church is edified, and love for one's neighbor is 'met'.

And this pleases GOD in worship that spiritual gifts of HIS is 'met' by charity towards one's neighbor.

I think that that which is perfect is come could well be Charity.
I still say tongues ceased because they were no longer needed, One factor is they were for a sign to unbelieving Israel, Israel has fallen in this dispensation..............[1 Corinthians 14:22 KJV] "Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying [serveth] not for them that believe not, but for them which believe."
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Tongues may be reinstated in the tribulation...............Tongues may be reinstated in the tribulation.

 

[Doug]

Paul did not specify which of the Jews and which of the Gentiles, but he's addressing to the born again church, for there's neither Jews or Gentiles but 'one' body of Christ.

The jews from the little flock were participants in Paul's ministry...........[Romans 16:7 KJV] "Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.".........some passages are addressed to this little flock based on this verse............[1 Corinthians 1:12 KJV] "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."...............some are of Peter and some Christ in the earthly ministry.

 

[Doug]

That is one speaking in the Heavenly tongues like angels 'communicating' with GOD in prayer(vs. 14), and silently unless for the edification of oneself.

Paul said THOUGH he spoke with the tongues of angels..........can be read as EVEN IF I spoke with tongues of angels
He was not saying he spoke tongues of angels

 

[rockytopva]

A woman speaking in tongues in my church...

 

[Doug]

A woman speaking in tongues in my church...

Women speaking in tongues in your church doesnt make it permitted according to scripture given Paul...............[1 Corinthians 14:34 KJV] "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law."
Women are pastors and arent permitted either

 

[rockytopva]

Women speaking in tongues in your church doesnt make it permitted according to scripture given Paul...............[1 Corinthians 14:34 KJV] "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law."
Women are pastors and arent permitted either

I prefer a man to be the senior pastor of the church. As far as miracles you can tell a someone that plays the lottery that they have little chances of winning and they will play anyway. Tell a Christian there is little chance of miracles and they will believe you! I have read in doctrinal statements.... "As the canon of Scripture has been completed, the Church does not look for the continued exercise of these sign gifts." If I am sick I am going to want someone praying for me in faith! Even if the prayers seemly are not answered taking the time to believe with me would be appreciated!

 

[rockytopva]

I am Pentecostal Holiness. As far as we are concerned the lady speaking in tongues was not out of order. If there were no interpretation it was because somebody was disobedient. She did give out the word from the Lord and the service continued. Had she kept on then it would have been considered disobedience. the senior pastor was behind the pulpit and he did continue the service after all of that...

 

[rockytopva]

I say there! It is possible for people to be out of order. If someone interrupts a sermon or wants talk the entire service in tongues, obviously disrupting a service, and then, yes, the tongues were out of order. So it is possible for tongues to be out of order in a service just like someone interrupting a sermon. After Paul said all of that he said...

Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. - 1 Corinthians 14:39

Forbid not... That means don't disallow it.

 

[Doug]

A woman speaking in tongues in my church...

Did anyone in the church say that she was speaking in a recognized language? If not did anyone interpret? I

 

[talons]

There is no mention of prophetess in the body of Christ. They were only found in the old testament and in Luke

Here are the verses . Act 21:8-9
8And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.

9And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.

The question is a yes or no @Doug . Do prophetess prophesy ?

 

[rockytopva]

And...Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. - 2 Timothy 3:5