WWJD with LGBTQ?

[GodsGrace]

I don't know how the term,Reformed,applies. So likely no,I'm not reformed.

What I am is someone who reads the Bible and knows if God is the source of all things,then no thing can be of any other source.

What is Sin?
The violation of God's laws.

Who created those laws?
And who established the consequences of someone isn't in compliance?

Already replied to the above.
Post no. 1055

Here it is again:

By your understanding God created the laws so that we would know sin...

and then He goes ahead and creates sin - which is what evil is (and more).

God also established the consequence of not following His laws.

So why would He impose consequences on us for not following the laws if it's God that CAUSES us to be evil and to sin?

You see Button...
your line of reasoning is not logical...

 

[soberxp]

WWJD with LGBTQ?
What will Jesus do with LGBTQ?

Jesus Christ shall said:"get up and walk!"

 

[St. SteVen]

WWJD with LGBTQ?
What will Jesus do with LGBTQ?

Jesus Christ shall said:"get up and walk!"

That's an interesting response.
Do you know what LGBTQ stands for? (it's not a disability)
(or WWJD for that matter) ???

 

[soberxp]

That's an interesting response.
Do you know what LGBTQ stands for? (it's not a disability)
(or WWJD for that matter) ???

So what is WWJD? I was thinking it is "What Will Jesus Do"

 

[St. SteVen]

So what is WWJD? I was thinking it is "What Will Jesus Do"

That's correct. What Would Jesus Do?
Which is a helpful question to ask yourself in order to know how to act in any situation.

 

[soberxp]

That's an interesting response.
Do you know what LGBTQ stands for? (it's not a disability)
(or WWJD for that matter) ???

Disease is merely a manifestation. Problems in one's thoughts and psychology can also be a cause of illness, as per the theory of traditional Chinese medicine.

In my opinion, God made Adam and Eve have children so that they could learn about life, learning to deal with children and their own problems from God's perspective or that of a father's perspective.

But LGBTQ far away from the will of God.
So God damn it.

But for Jesus Christ, he would do the same thing as in the Bible, he could just said to LGBTQ :get up and walk!

 

[St. SteVen]

Disease is merely a manifestation. Problems in one's thoughts and psychology can also be a cause of illness, as per the theory of traditional Chinese medicine.

Oftentimes these things are driven by hormonal imbalances.
A male born with too much estrogen or a female with too much testosterone.
This can have an effect on how the person views their gender.
Males feel as though they are in a female body and females feel that they are in a male body.
This can lead to same-sex attraction. Who should we blame for this?

 

[St. SteVen]

Disease is merely a manifestation. Problems in one's thoughts and psychology can also be a cause of illness, as per the theory of traditional Chinese medicine.

Is homosexuality against the law in China?

 

[soberxp]

Is homosexuality against the law in China?

At least Chinese people do not argue with each other over transgender individuals. Atheist Chinese are relatively tolerant toward transgender people and do not interfere with their free will. I believe there is a difference between homosexuality and being transgender.

But again, no one interferes with their free will.

After all, this is a minority group.

 

[Lambano]

* Most of the writings I've seen of a Reformed bent just write off evil as being necessarily created in service of God's overall good plan, to which we are not (completely) privy. While at the same time illogically denying that God is thus the Author of Sin.

 

[shepherdsword]

Oftentimes these things are driven by hormonal imbalances.
A male born with too much estrogen or a female with too much testosterone.
This can have an effect on how the person views their gender.
Males feel as though they are in a female body and females feel that they are in a male body.

Those that are attracted to the opposite sex also have to crucify their desires unless they are in holy matrimony. People with same sex desires must bring those desires to the cross as well.

This can lead to same-sex attraction. Who should we blame for this?

Blame sin and it's consequences. You seem to always allude that God is somehow responsible. However,if God had His perfect will we would all still be in the garden of Eden eating from the tree of life.

 

[Josho]

Christians tend to treat LGBTQ as if it is a singular thing. It's not.
It's a very complex subject that the church has, for the most part, swept under the rug.

Those who have stepped up to be inclusive have taken the heat for it.
And there is even a broad spectrum of how inclusion can play out.
LGBTQ is not a B+W issue. There is a whole spectrum of gray to be considered.

I have known for some time that this is an issue that the church needs to come to grips with.
My own wake-up call came when I went back to college in my 50's to study interior design.
Among my classmates I discovered gay Christians. Say what? How could this be?
For this straight, white, married, Protestant, evangelical male, it was quite a shock.

In my interior design class, I estimated that 10% were males. The rest were female.
Of those males I estimated that half were probably gay. So, an estimated 5% gay students.
My instructors even cautioned me that if I worked as an interior designer,
I would likely be accused of being gay.

So, I had to ask myself, WWJD with LGBTQ?

Because of another topic on the forum that has a title that asks the WRONG question,
I wanted to launch a topic that would ask the right questions.

I have done my homework as part of that other topic.
And I am still making some discoveries about the subject.
Here are a few.

- There is a 40% suicide rate among gays, which is driven by societal rejection. (genocide)
- Parental testimony shows children indicating a transgender preference as early as 3 to 5 years old.
- 1 in 1,500 children are born intersex, meaning either both, or ambiguous genitalia.
- Birth sex is determined by what is between your legs; gender identity is determined by what is between your ears.
- Christian gays that come out are at risk of losing family, friends, church, employment, housing...
- Many gay couples are monogamous, and great contributors to our society.

There are other factors as well. This is a place to discuss them. Thanks.

WWJD with LGBTQ?



/ @TinMan @BarneyFife @Chadrho @Hillsage

Well it falls in category of sexual sin, look at the story of the woman caught in adultery in John 8:1-11, just to summarise, the Pharisees brought to Jesus a woman who was caught in the act of adultery, they then challenged Jesus with the law of Moses that says to stone her, "what do you say?" He then wrote in the dust, the Pharisees demanded an answer multiple times. Then Jesus said "Let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone", the Pharisees all walked away in the end. Jesus did not stone her, but He did tell her in the end to "Go and sin no more."

Then you got 1 Corinthians 5:9-11, this is not addressed to people outside of the Church, but within. Paul is very straight to the point.

1 Corinthians 5:9-11
When I wrote to you before, I told you not to associate with people who indulge in sexual sin. But I wasn’t talking about unbelievers who indulge in sexual sin, or are greedy, or cheat people, or worship idols. You would have to leave this world to avoid people like that. I meant that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a believer yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or is a drunkard, or cheats people. Don’t even eat with such people.

The following verse tells us the church's responsibility.

1 Corinthians 5:12-13
It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning. God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, “You must remove the evil person from among you.”

As for people outside the church and who do not profess to be a Christian a follower of Jesus, our job is to point them towards Jesus and share the Gospel of Jesus with them, not to judge them & to set a good example for them, so they may come to Christ. If they genuinely give their lives to Jesus and make Him Lord of their lives, the Holy Spirit will give them the strength to leave their old lifestyle behind.

 

[shepherdsword]

@Hillsage
Why are so many Christians seemingly brain-dead?
To what do we owe this mental illness?
Could this be it?

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If by "brain dead" you mean immunity from the spirit of this age then you can blame God for that. I leave you with this. I think the whole "woke" philosophy can be summed up here:

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

[Hillsage]

@Hillsage
Why are so many Christians seemingly brain-dead?
To what do we owe this mental illness?
Could this be it?

Life in the Tribal Bubble - The unReal world?

Religious institutions, particularly the churches of Christianity, provide a sanitized sterile environment. A bit like a petri dish in a lab, in which church culture can safely grow. But, tribe members don't live in the bubble. So they have to travel outside eventually. They may surround...

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@St. SteVen I think the 'kool aid' has been made in the church for 2,000 years. I just didn't know how bad it had gotten, until the last few years.

 

[St. SteVen]

Those that are attracted to the opposite sex also have to crucify their desires unless they are in holy matrimony. People with same sex desires must bring those desires to the cross as well.

I agree.

 

[St. SteVen]

As for people outside the church and who do not profess to be a Christian a follower of Jesus, our job is to point them towards Jesus and share the Gospel of Jesus with them, not to judge them & to set a good example for them, so they may come to Christ. If they genuinely give their lives to Jesus and make Him Lord of their lives, the Holy Spirit will give them the strength to leave their old lifestyle behind.

I agree.

 

[St. SteVen]

If by "brain dead" you mean immunity from the spirit of this age then you can blame God for that. I leave you with this. I think the whole "woke" philosophy can be summed up here:

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Recognizing gender dysphoria and sexual issues is not "woke" philosophy. These are very real issues. And the church is not immune.

 

[shepherdsword]

Recognizing gender dysphoria and sexual issues is not "woke" philosophy. These are very real issues. And the church is not immune.

"gender dysphoria and sexual issues" are just other names for sin. They are recent labels for ancient abominations.

 

[shepherdsword]

I agree.

Well, there you have it. We have found common ground in at least one area.

 

[St. SteVen]

"gender dysphoria and sexual issues" are just other names for sin. They are recent labels for ancient abominations.

Gender dysphoria and sexual issues not acted upon are NOT sins.