The God Jesus Worships and Prays To

[Pierac]

Below is a descriptive, Bible-only explanation of the God of Jesus, using biblical texts themselves and avoiding later theological systems or creeds. I will let the Bible speak in its own categories and language.

The God Jesus Worships and Prays To

In the Bible, Jesus consistently worships, prays to, and speaks about one God whom he calls Father.

• Jesus prays to God

“Father… this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”
(John 17:1–3)

• Jesus distinguishes himself from God

“Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.”
(Mark 10:18)

• After his resurrection

“I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”
(John 20:17)

Biblical observation:
Jesus identifies his God as the same God worshiped by Israel, not himself.

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2. The Identity of This God

Jesus identifies God using Israel’s Scriptures (the Hebrew Bible).

• Affirms Israel’s central confession

“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.”
(Deuteronomy 6:4, quoted by Jesus in Mark 12:29)

• Calls God “Father” in a relational sense

“I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth.”
(Matthew 11:25)

This God is:

• The Creator (Genesis 1; Matthew 19:4)
• The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Exodus 3:6; Matthew 22:32)
• One, not many (Isaiah 45:5; Mark 12:29)

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3. God’s Authority Over Jesus

The Bible repeatedly presents God as greater than Jesus in authority.

• “The Father is greater than I.”
  (John 14:28)
• “The Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing.”
  (John 5:19)
• “This is the will of him who sent me.”
  (John 6:38)

Biblical observation:
Jesus acts as God’s agent, sent, empowered, and authorized by God.

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4. God as the Source of Jesus’ Power and Teaching

Jesus attributes his works and words to God, not to himself independently.

• “It is God’s finger that casts out demons.”
  (Luke 11:20)
• “The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority.”
  (John 14:10)
• “God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power.”
  (Acts 10:38)

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5. God Raises Jesus From the Dead

In the Bible, God raises Jesus, rather than Jesus raising himself.

• “God raised him from the dead.”
  (Acts 2:24)
• “The God of our fathers glorified his servant Jesus.”
  (Acts 3:13)
• “He was raised by the glory of the Father.”
  (Romans 6:4)

Jesus is God's servant!!!!!!

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6. Jesus’ God Remains Supreme Even After Jesus’ Exaltation

After Jesus is exalted, God remains above him.

• “God highly exalted him and gave him the name above every name.”
  (Philippians 2:9)
• “When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.”
  (1 Corinthians 15:28)

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7. Summary (Bible-Only Description)

According to the Bible alone:

• The God of Jesus is the one God of Israel
• Jesus worships, obeys, and prays to this God
• God is called Father
• God sends, empowers, teaches, exalts, and raises Jesus
• God is greater in authority than Jesus
• Jesus is God’s Messiah, servant, and Son, but not identified by Jesus as God himself

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Bible’s Own Framing Statement

“For us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things… and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things.”
(1 Corinthians 8:6)

This verse summarizes the Bible’s internal distinction between God and Jesus without later theological interpretation.

Below is a Bible-only, descriptive summary of what other people in the Bible (disciples, crowds, apostles, angels, demons, and God himself) say about the relationship between God and Jesus. I will quote or closely paraphrase Scripture and avoid later theology.

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1. What God Says About Jesus

At Jesus’ baptism and transfiguration

• “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”
  (Mark 1:11)
• “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him.”
  (Mark 9:7)

Relationship described:
God speaks as Father, identifying Jesus as Son, distinct from himself.

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2. What Angels Say

• “He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High.”
  (Luke 1:32)
• “The holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.”
  (Luke 1:35)

Relationship described:
Jesus is God’s Son, derived from and dependent on God (“Most High”).

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3. What Demons Say

• “I know who you are — the Holy One of God.”
  (Mark 1:24)
• “You are the Son of God.”
  (Luke 4:41)

Relationship described:
Jesus is identified as belonging to God, not as God himself.

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4. What John the Baptist Says

• “I have seen and testify that this is God’s Chosen One.”
  (John 1:34)
• “He who comes from heaven is above all… the Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand.”
  (John 3:31, 35)

Relationship described:
God is the giver; Jesus is the receiver.

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5. What the Disciples Say

Peter

• “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
  (Matthew 16:16)
• “God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
  (Acts 2:36)

The disciples collectively

• “Truly you are the Son of God.”
  (Matthew 14:33)

Relationship described:
Jesus is God’s anointed Messiah, appointed by God.

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6. What the Crowds Say

• “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth of Galilee.”
  (Matthew 21:11)
• “A great prophet has risen among us! God has visited his people.”
  (Luke 7:16)

Relationship described:
Jesus is God’s representative, not identified as God himself.

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7. What the Apostles Teach After the Resurrection

Peter

• “Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested by God… God raised him from the dead.”
  (Acts 2:22, 24)
• “The God of our fathers glorified his servant Jesus.”
  (Acts 3:13)

Paul

• “For us there is one God, the Father… and one Lord, Jesus Christ.”
  (1 Corinthians 8:6)
• “God sent his Son.”
  (Galatians 4:4)

John

• “The Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.”
  (1 John 4:14)

Relationship described:
God is the source, sender, and raiser; Jesus is the sent Son and servant.

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8. What Jesus Is Called in Relation to God

Throughout the Bible, Jesus is called:

• Son of God (over 40 times)
• Servant of God (Acts 3:13; 4:27)
• Messiah / Christ (God’s anointed)
• Lord (a title of authority given by God)

Never does another speaker say:

“Jesus is the same God he prays to.”

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9. What God Is Said to Do to Jesus

Others in the Bible say God:

• Sends Jesus (John 3:17)
• Anoints Jesus (Acts 10:38)
• Teaches Jesus (John 8:28)
• Raises Jesus (Acts 2:24)
• Exalts Jesus (Philippians 2:9)

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10. Bible-Only Summary

According to what others in the Bible say:

• God is Jesus’ Father
• Jesus is God’s Son, Messiah, and servant
• God is greater in authority
• Jesus acts on God’s behalf
• God gives Jesus authority, power, and glory

A representative summary verse:

“The God of our fathers raised Jesus… and exalted him.”
(Acts 5:30–31)

 

[Wrangler]

“The God of our fathers glorified his servant Jesus.”
(Acts 3:13)

Jesus is God's servant!!!!!!

It’s very obvious that Jesus is God’s servant. God made Jesus Lord and Christ. Acts 2:36

 

[Davy]

BRETHREN IN CHRIST WITH EYES TO SEE, AND EARS TO HEAR:

Here is one Bible Scripture you will not see the unbelieving Jews posting that proves Christ Jesus' place within The GODHEAD...

Matt 1:21-25
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

23 'Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel', which being interpreted is, God with us.

24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called His name JESUS.
KJV

That above verse 23 is a quote from Isaiah 7:14 which is about Jesus of Nazareth. Isaiah 9:6 also gives more information pointing to the 'child' as "The mighty God, and The everlasting Father."


Here's another Bible Scripture you won't find the unbelieving Jews quoting about Lord Jesus Christ...

John 14:7-9
7 "If ye had known Me, ye should have known My Father also: and from henceforth ye know Him, and have seen Him."

8 Philip saith unto Him, "Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us."

9 Jesus saith unto him, "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? he that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, 'Shew us the Father?'"
KJV


Converted Jews that reject the above Bible PROOF that Jesus of Nazareth is GOD come in the flesh are only following doctrine by 'unbelieving Jews' who reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ. Those brethren of Judah are simply deceived by false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan", those which Jesus declared that only 'say'... they are Jews, but are not (and instead represent Satan's servants; see Revelation 2:9 and 3:9).

 

[Pierac]

You are correct.... the twelve are now one being as Jesus is with his God as stated...
Not twelve individuals any more but one being.

Joh 17:11 I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them safe in your name that you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are one.

Joh 10:30 The Father and I are one."

More proof the twelve are no longer 12 individuals but one being... Joh 17:22 The glory you gave to me I have given to them, that they may be one just as we are one —

The twelve are no longer twelve but one being like Jesus and the Father... Thus saith the scriptures!!!

It's no longer 12 but a dozen in one! Not one dozen... but one!!!

This is what you sound like... Davy

 

[Davy]

You are correct.... the twelve are now one being as Jesus is with his God as stated...
Not twelve individuals any more but one being.

Joh 17:11 I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them safe in your name that you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are one.

Joh 10:30 The Father and I are one."

More proof the twelve are no longer 12 individuals but one being... Joh 17:22 The glory you gave to me I have given to them, that they may be one just as we are one —

The twelve are no longer twelve but one being like Jesus and the Father... Thus saith the scriptures!!!

It's no longer 12 but a dozen in one! Not one dozen... but one!!!

This is what you sound like... Davy

What a totally stupid, idiotic mind boggling theory the above is, and a DIRECT MOCKING OF BIBLE SCRIPTURE.

ONLY... Lord Jesus and The Father are ONE in the sense of The GODHEAD. That is not how it is applied for the rest of us that have believed. For us to be 'one' with The Father and The Son it simply means having Faith in The Gospel of Jesus Christ! and belonging to GOD as Christ's disciples.

Who hasn't ever heard the expression when someone asks if the other purpose agrees with them on a matter, and says, "So are we 'one' on this matter?" i.e., are we together on the same page?

Failure to grasp basic language expressions is one of the problems I have noticed among some here, especially among Jews. Maybe that's why God ordained so many of the Jews to become lawyers, because of their legalist attitudes??

 

[Pierac]

What a totally stupid, idiotic mind boggling theory the above is, and a DIRECT MOCKING OF BIBLE SCRIPTURE.

ONLY... Lord Jesus and The Father are ONE in the sense of The GODHEAD. That is not how it is applied for the rest of us that have believed. For us to be 'one' with The Father and The Son it simply means having Faith in The Gospel of Jesus Christ! and belonging to GOD as Christ's disciples.

Who hasn't ever heard the expression when someone asks if the other purpose agrees with them on a matter, and says, "So are we 'one' on this matter?" i.e., are we together on the same page?

Failure to grasp basic language expressions is one of the problems I have noticed among some here, especially among Jews. Maybe that's why God ordained so many of the Jews to become lawyers, because of their legalist attitudes??

This is why you fail... I'm mocking how you read scripture... Not scripture....

So again.... how you read scripture about Jesus being one with God.... .... This is how you look to the world...

You are correct.... the twelve are now one being as Jesus is with his God as stated... Not twelve individuals any more but one being.

Joh 17:11 I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them safe in your name that you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are one.

Joh 10:30 The Father and I are one."

More proof the twelve are no longer 12 individuals but one being... Joh 17:22 The glory you gave to me I have given to them, that they may be one just as we are one —

The twelve are no longer twelve but one being like Jesus and the Father... Thus saith the scriptures!!!

It's no longer 12 but a dozen in one! Not one dozen... but one!!!

This is what you sound like... Davy

 

[marks]

All mocking aside . . . Jesus prophesied that if they tore down the temple of His body, He, that is, Jesus Himself, would raise it again in 3 days. Do you believe this is true Scripture?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Philippians 2:9-11 KJV
9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Isaiah 45:21-24 KJV
21) Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22) Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24) Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Acts 4:10-12 KJV
10) Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11) This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

There is one Savior, only one, Jesus, who is also called YHWH.

Much love!

 

[Pierac]

All mocking aside . . . Jesus prophesied that if they tore down the temple of His body, He, that is, Jesus Himself, would raise it again in 3 days. Do you believe this is true Scripture?

Much love!

I see no scripture in your post.... This is why you fail!

Do you believe this is true Scripture.... Hint.... I'm actually quoting scripture.....

Act 2:24 "But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power.

Act 2:32 "This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses.

Act 3:15 but put to death the Prince of life, the one whom God raised from the dead, a fact to which we are witnesses.

Act 3:26 "For you first, God raised up His Servant and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways."

Act 4:10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead--by this name this man stands here before you in good health.

Act 10:40 "God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible,

Act 13:30 "But God raised Him from the dead;

Act 13:37 but He whom God raised did not undergo decay.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Do you believe this is true Scripture...? That the God of Jesus raised him from the dead?

 

[marks]

I see no scripture in your post.... This is why you fail!

Do you believe this is true Scripture.... Hint.... I'm actually quoting scripture.....

Sorry, I thought you would know the passage:

John 2:19-22 KJV
19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21) But he spake of the temple of his body.
22) When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

The disciples believed Jesus. Do you believe this passage is true?

So, considering that God raised Jesus from the dead, and that Jesus raised His body from the dead, what does that tell you about Who Jesus is?

If A=B, and B=C, then A=C. Jesus is God.

Much love!

 

[Pierac]

There is one Savior, only one, Jesus, who is also called YHWH.

Much love!

Is God the only Savior?

I imagine by now you may be arguing with me and saying something like this: Well, if Jesus is not God in human flesh what you say to the Scriptures that say only God can save? After all, God says, "I, even I, am the LORD; and there is no Savior besides me" (Isaiah 40 3:11). If Jesus is not God and there are two saviors! And this is something the Bible here clearly excludes.

We have already seen a strong argument against the idea that God became man in order to redeem us is that there is not one single Old Testament prophecy that supports it. Not one verse foretells that God himself was going to become a man in order to save us. The opposite is the case. The prophets predicted a human being who would under God's anointing Spirit rescue us.

Wherein lies the solution? Ah, let's now read this through our Hebrew eyes and see what a difference it makes. Remember that dictum the Jews had about the law of agency where "the agent is as the principal himself"? It applies right here.

Let's go back to Exodus 23. You remember that we used this chapter earlier to illustrate the Hebrew law of agency. We saw that the angel of the Lord acted in God's stead. What the angel did in said was really what God himself did and said, for "My name is in him" (v. 21). In verse 23 Jehovah explained, "For My angel will go before you and bring you into the land of the Amorites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Canaanites, the Hivities and the Jebusites; and I will completely destroy them." The angel was the instrument through whom God destroyed the enemies.

Now let's proceed on in the chapter. God says to the Israelites, "I will send my terror ahead of you… I will make all your enemies turn their backs to you. And I will send hornets ahead of you, that they may drive out the Hivities, the Canaanites, and the Hittites before you" (v. 27-28).

To our understanding this sounds as if the LORD himself is going to do the work. But when we come to verse 31: "I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand, and you will drive them out before you." So God expects the Israelites to drive their enemies out. Is there a contradiction here? Will God Himself drive out their enemies or will the Israelites do it? We note the principle again and again. Got says He will act when in fact He is going to empower his angels and his people to do the work.

This kind of talk has a thorough Hebrew feel about it. Actions that are directly ascribed to God are in fact carried out by his commissioned agents. Take another instance: "in the LORD… he saved them by the hand of Jeroboam" (2 Kings 14:27).

Once again we observe the clear distinction between God who is the ultimate Author of deliverance and his appointed agent who in this case was King Jeroboam. Or take this verse: "therefore you did deliver them into the hands of the oppressors who oppressed them. But when they cry to You in the time of their distress, You did hear from heaven, and according to Your great compassion You did give them deliverers who delivered them from the hand of their it oppressors" (Nehemiah 9:27).

Graeser, the author of One God and One Lord, p.363. Writes: God, Christ and others are referred to as "saviors," but that clearly does not make them identical. The term "Savior" is used of many people in the Bible. This is hard to see in the English versions because, when it is used of men, the translators almost always translated as "deliverer." This in and of itself shows that modern translators have a Trinitarian bias that was not in the original languages. The only reason to translate the same word as "Savior" when it applies to God or Christ, but as "deliverer" when it applies to men, is to make the terms seem unique to God and Jesus when in fact it is not. This is a good example of how the actual meaning of Scriptures can be obscured if the translators are not careful or if they are theologically biased.

Is often been argued that the very name Jesus, which means "Yahweh saves," prove Jesus is Jehovah because "he will save his people from their sins" (Matt 1:21). But the logic is not consistently applied because the O.T. name Joshua means "Yahweh saves." I have never yet heard someone who believes in the deity of Christ argue that Joshua was God in the flesh. We know that the O.T. Joshua was God appointed man to deliver Israel. As Joshua and Israel went forth in obedience to his word God save them. Just so, in the matter of our salvation, God sent forth his son into battle. Through Jesus God has saved us. This is why both God and Jesus are called Savior. But the Bible never loses sight of the fact that God the Father is the ultimate Author of our salvation through (dia) his son.

This same line of reasoning applies to the healing of the paralytic in Mark 2. This is one of the most commonly appealed to Scriptures that allegedly proves that Jesus must be God, because "only God can forgive sins" (v.7). When Jesus pronounced the man forgiven/healed, the Pharisees say that Jesus is "blaspheming" because he is claiming to be God. But a little careful attention to detail will show that Jesus is not claiming deity. He is rather claiming "authority." He says, "But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins…" (v.10). The parallel account in Matthew's report is that once the people saw Jesus healed a paralytic, "they were filled with awe, and glorified God, who had given such authority to men" ( Matt 9:8). We note that Jesus is claiming to be "the Son of Man," that is, the human Messiah, with a God given right to pronounce forgiveness. Not too much later Jesus invested other men-his apostles-with the same authority to forgive sins: "If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; he to retain the sins of any, they have been retained" (John 20:23). If only God can forgive sins, then God and Jesus and the apostles are all God! Besides, there is no teaching anywhere in the Bible that says only God can forgive. Even Christians are commanded to forgive each other sin (Eph. 4:32; Col. 3:13). The fact that the Pharisees say that only God can forgive sins does not make this an established Biblical doctrine. The Pharisees often had wrong doctrine and were often corrected by our Lord Jesus. This was one such occasion.

Those who believe that Jesus can only be our Savior if he is God sometimes appeal to the prophecy from Jeremiah 23: (In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell securely; and this is his name by which he will be called, ‘The LORD our righteousness’" (Jer. 23:6).

Does this not say that the coming Savior will be "The LORD our righteousness," that is, God himself? This is easily answered when we note that a few chapters later we have this prophecy in Jeremiah 33: "in those days Judah shall be saved in Jerusalem shall dwell in safety; and this is the name by which she shall be called: the LORD is our righteousness’ (v.16).

Here the city of Jerusalem is given the very same title as the coming redeemer earlier. I have never yet heard anyone argue that the city of Jerusalem must also be God himself because it bears the same title as Jehovah. Hebrew understanding is needed to avoid the confusion.

This is why it is fallacious to reason that because Jesus is called the "King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" (Rev. 19:16) he must necessarily be Almighty God Himself. The fact that Artaxerxes is called "king of kings" and that God himself calls Nebuchadnezzar "king of kings" does not put these men in the same league as Messiah Jesus, nor mean they have the same nature as him. The designation "king of kings" is obviously a very Hebrew way of speaking that has nothing to do with the equivalency of nature. The Hebrews could also speak of a "servant of servants," which simply means to the lowest of the low (Gen 9:25). In the book of Daniel God addresses Nebuchadnezzar: "You, O king, are the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, the strength, and the glory" (Dan. 2:37).

In the same Hebrew fashion, when Scriptures designate Jesus Christ as "the King of Kings, and the Lord of Lords" the message conveyed is that God has also given him the Kingdom, the power, the strength, and the glory of the Age to Come. Equality of being with the God who gives the Kingdom does not come into the equation, for either Nebuchadnezzar or Jesus. If, as already noted, to share the same nomenclature as God does not prove literal identity with God himself, the same holds true for the sharing of the same titles. Whilst Jesus may share the title "king of kings and Lord of Lords" with God his Father, there is one title reserved uniquely for the Father God. No other individual, including the Lord Jesus, is ever called by the title "God of gods" (Deut. 10:17). This title, as well as "the Lord God" (Rev. 1:8), is always reserved for the one true God, who is the Father.

 

[Wrangler]

It's no longer 12 but a dozen in one!

Hmmm. I don't read "may" the same as IS.

I am at the store. My wife may be at the store.

Jesus did not say he may be one with the Father. He prayed the 12 may be one. How do you reconcile that?

 

[Pierac]

Sorry, I thought you would know the passage:

John 2:19-22 KJV
19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21) But he spake of the temple of his body.
22) When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

The disciples believed Jesus. Do you believe this passage is true?

Much love!

Let's review...
Act 2:24 "But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power.

Act 2:32 "This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses.

Act 3:15 but put to death the Prince of life, the one whom God raised from the dead, a fact to which we are witnesses.

Act 3:26 "For you first, God raised up His Servant and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways."

Act 4:10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead--by this name this man stands here before you in good health.

Act 10:40 "God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible,

Act 13:30 "But God raised Him from the dead;

Act 13:37 but He whom God raised did not undergo decay.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Do you believe this is true Scripture...? That the God of Jesus raised him from the dead?

Now let's add what Jesus said....

Joh 8:26 "I have many things to speak and to judge concerning you, but He who sent Me is true; and the things which I heard from Him, these I speak to the world."

Joh 8:28 So Jesus said, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me.

Joh 8:38 "I speak the things which I have seen with My Father; therefore you also do the things which you heard from your father."

Joh 8:45 "But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me.


So Marks.... Who according to jesus was actually speaking here .... Jesus or the God of Jesus speaking through him... what saith Jesus!!!

John 2:19-22 KJV
19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Joh 8:26 "I have many things to speak and to judge concerning you, but He who sent Me is true; and the things which I heard from Him, these I speak to the world."

Joh 8:28 So Jesus said, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me.


Think before you post your emotions... and ignore scripture.

 

[Pierac]

Hmmm. I don't read "may" the same as IS.

I am at the store. My wife may be at the store.

Jesus did not say he may be one with the Father. He prayed the 12 may be one. How do you reconcile that?

Your missing the point!!! One What?

 

[Wrangler]

Your missing the point!!! One What?

I already explained. One is. One may be. Not the same - regardless of one potato, sticks or with God.

 

[JesusFan]

Below is a descriptive, Bible-only explanation of the God of Jesus, using biblical texts themselves and avoiding later theological systems or creeds. I will let the Bible speak in its own categories and language.

The God Jesus Worships and Prays To

In the Bible, Jesus consistently worships, prays to, and speaks about one God whom he calls Father.

• Jesus prays to God

“Father… this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”
(John 17:1–3)

• Jesus distinguishes himself from God

“Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.”
(Mark 10:18)

• After his resurrection

“I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”
(John 20:17)

Biblical observation:
Jesus identifies his God as the same God worshiped by Israel, not himself.

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2. The Identity of This God

Jesus identifies God using Israel’s Scriptures (the Hebrew Bible).

• Affirms Israel’s central confession

“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.”
(Deuteronomy 6:4, quoted by Jesus in Mark 12:29)

• Calls God “Father” in a relational sense

“I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth.”
(Matthew 11:25)

This God is:

• The Creator (Genesis 1; Matthew 19:4)
• The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Exodus 3:6; Matthew 22:32)
• One, not many (Isaiah 45:5; Mark 12:29)

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3. God’s Authority Over Jesus

The Bible repeatedly presents God as greater than Jesus in authority.

• “The Father is greater than I.”
  (John 14:28)
• “The Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing.”
  (John 5:19)
• “This is the will of him who sent me.”
  (John 6:38)

Biblical observation:
Jesus acts as God’s agent, sent, empowered, and authorized by God.

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4. God as the Source of Jesus’ Power and Teaching

Jesus attributes his works and words to God, not to himself independently.

• “It is God’s finger that casts out demons.”
  (Luke 11:20)
• “The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority.”
  (John 14:10)
• “God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power.”
  (Acts 10:38)

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5. God Raises Jesus From the Dead

In the Bible, God raises Jesus, rather than Jesus raising himself.

• “God raised him from the dead.”
  (Acts 2:24)
• “The God of our fathers glorified his servant Jesus.”
  (Acts 3:13)
• “He was raised by the glory of the Father.”
  (Romans 6:4)

Jesus is God's servant!!!!!!

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6. Jesus’ God Remains Supreme Even After Jesus’ Exaltation

After Jesus is exalted, God remains above him.

• “God highly exalted him and gave him the name above every name.”
  (Philippians 2:9)
• “When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.”
  (1 Corinthians 15:28)

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7. Summary (Bible-Only Description)

According to the Bible alone:

• The God of Jesus is the one God of Israel
• Jesus worships, obeys, and prays to this God
• God is called Father
• God sends, empowers, teaches, exalts, and raises Jesus
• God is greater in authority than Jesus
• Jesus is God’s Messiah, servant, and Son, but not identified by Jesus as God himself

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Bible’s Own Framing Statement

“For us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things… and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things.”
(1 Corinthians 8:6)

This verse summarizes the Bible’s internal distinction between God and Jesus without later theological interpretation.

Below is a Bible-only, descriptive summary of what other people in the Bible (disciples, crowds, apostles, angels, demons, and God himself) say about the relationship between God and Jesus. I will quote or closely paraphrase Scripture and avoid later theology.

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1. What God Says About Jesus

At Jesus’ baptism and transfiguration

• “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”
  (Mark 1:11)
• “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him.”
  (Mark 9:7)

Relationship described:
God speaks as Father, identifying Jesus as Son, distinct from himself.

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2. What Angels Say

• “He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High.”
  (Luke 1:32)
• “The holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.”
  (Luke 1:35)

Relationship described:
Jesus is God’s Son, derived from and dependent on God (“Most High”).

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3. What Demons Say

• “I know who you are — the Holy One of God.”
  (Mark 1:24)
• “You are the Son of God.”
  (Luke 4:41)

Relationship described:
Jesus is identified as belonging to God, not as God himself.

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4. What John the Baptist Says

• “I have seen and testify that this is God’s Chosen One.”
  (John 1:34)
• “He who comes from heaven is above all… the Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand.”
  (John 3:31, 35)

Relationship described:
God is the giver; Jesus is the receiver.

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5. What the Disciples Say

Peter

• “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
  (Matthew 16:16)
• “God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
  (Acts 2:36)

The disciples collectively

• “Truly you are the Son of God.”
  (Matthew 14:33)

Relationship described:
Jesus is God’s anointed Messiah, appointed by God.

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6. What the Crowds Say

• “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth of Galilee.”
  (Matthew 21:11)
• “A great prophet has risen among us! God has visited his people.”
  (Luke 7:16)

Relationship described:
Jesus is God’s representative, not identified as God himself.

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7. What the Apostles Teach After the Resurrection

Peter

• “Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested by God… God raised him from the dead.”
  (Acts 2:22, 24)
• “The God of our fathers glorified his servant Jesus.”
  (Acts 3:13)

Paul

• “For us there is one God, the Father… and one Lord, Jesus Christ.”
  (1 Corinthians 8:6)
• “God sent his Son.”
  (Galatians 4:4)

John

• “The Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.”
  (1 John 4:14)

Relationship described:
God is the source, sender, and raiser; Jesus is the sent Son and servant.

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8. What Jesus Is Called in Relation to God

Throughout the Bible, Jesus is called:

• Son of God (over 40 times)
• Servant of God (Acts 3:13; 4:27)
• Messiah / Christ (God’s anointed)
• Lord (a title of authority given by God)

Never does another speaker say:

“Jesus is the same God he prays to.”

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9. What God Is Said to Do to Jesus

Others in the Bible say God:

• Sends Jesus (John 3:17)
• Anoints Jesus (Acts 10:38)
• Teaches Jesus (John 8:28)
• Raises Jesus (Acts 2:24)
• Exalts Jesus (Philippians 2:9)

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10. Bible-Only Summary

According to what others in the Bible say:

• God is Jesus’ Father
• Jesus is God’s Son, Messiah, and servant
• God is greater in authority
• Jesus acts on God’s behalf
• God gives Jesus authority, power, and glory

A representative summary verse:

“The God of our fathers raised Jesus… and exalted him.”
(Acts 5:30–31)

Jesus is God in human flesh

 

[Davy]

This is why you fail... I'm mocking how you read scripture... Not scripture....

So again.... how you read scripture about Jesus being one with God.... .... This is how you look to the world...

You are correct.... the twelve are now one being as Jesus is with his God as stated... Not twelve individuals any more but one being....

Jesus' 12 Apostles are no longer individuals, but ONE BEING??

That's men's FALSE PAGAN DOCTRINE CALLED 'PANTHEISM'. It treats as if God is in everything, and that when we die, our spirit goes back to the GREAT ALL! Ever heard that GREAT ALL term from the OCCULT SECRET SOCIETIES? That's one of the pagan ideas they believe. Strange that you don't realize you have picked that false idea up from them somewhere!

 

[Button]

Megiddo,Israel mosaic.

Ancient Mosaic Declaring ‘Jesus Is God’ Unveiled—Biggest Find Since the Dead Sea Scrolls
https://www.womansworld.com/life/sp...od-mosaic-biggest-find-since-dead-sea-scrolls
Unearthed in Israel, this Christian mosaic is now on display in the U.S. Here’s why it’s historic

It's odd for anyone to insist Jesus was not God,The Word, on Earth. When we are told he is that in both Old and New testaments. Immanuel, God with us.

 

[Taken]

God serves Himself….that He is Prepared to Serve Others, by, through, of Him.

Men who learn and Mimic God, take care of their Own, that they are Prepared to Serve others, in Jesus’ Name, which Glorifies God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Do you believe this is true Scripture.... Hint.... I'm actually quoting scripture.....


Do you believe this is true Scripture...? That the God of Jesus raised him from the dead?

Yes.
Saying God raised Jesus from the dead is true.
Yes.
Saying Jesus raised Jesus from the dead is True.
Yes
Saying Yahweh LORD and Jesus Lord Are One God is True.

John 10:
[17] Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
[18] No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Because…

John 10:
[30] I and my Father are one.

God has purposed IN Himself, How, When, Why…He reveals Himself to His created and made manKIND.

Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:


Some men understand the mystery, some do not.

Glory to God,
Taken